Bible Party of the USA

@Volunteer,

This party shall adhere to Biblical principles while engaging in the political processes of the United States of America and the processes of international political entities or negotiations.

The United States of America is a sovereign nation. The Bible Party of the United States of America is established under the authority of The Bible , The Declaration of Independence of the Thirteen United States of America, and Amendment One of The Constitution of the United States of America. This authority is extended to all states, territories, and protectorates as they are members of or fall under the authority of the government of the United States of America.

The Constitution of the United States is preceded by the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America. This Declaration and the sacrifice associated with it, established sovereignty (independence) of the United States of America from all other nations and alliances or groups of nations. The Declaration of Independence lays the groundwork for the rights that are enumerated in the Constitution. The Bible provides the principles and foundation for both documents and for the sovereignty of nations. Sovereignty is a national right.

Government envisioned by the founders of the United States, established through the Declaration of Independence, and chartered by the Constitution cannot be sustained without knowledge of and adherence to the principles of the Bible.

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@Volunteer,

Be careful not to overly focus on the Epistles of Paul. It's more important to listen to Jesus, than to listen to Paul. Martin Luther, the founder of Protestantism and a distinctly Biblical Christianity, disliked the synoptic gospels, and favored Paul. Be careful. Jesus trumps Paul. Jesus comes first, even before the Bible.

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@Pinochet73,

Pinochet73;37494 wrote:

Be careful not to overly focus on the Epistles of Paul. It's more important to listen to Jesus, than to listen to Paul. Martin Luther, the founder of Protestantism and a distinctly Biblical Christianity, disliked the synoptic gospels, and favored Paul. Be careful. Jesus trumps Paul. Jesus comes first, even before the Bible.

Thank you for the advice. How about joining the fight and stewarding that advice into action?

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@Volunteer,

I second the motion.

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@Drnaline,

I would not join the bible party of the USA

Because I am a servant of God and our savior Jesus Christ.

I know that the bible clearly says no government of man will ever prosper or have the best interests of its citizens in mind.

Indeed it is folly on my part to follow politics at all because I have read the end of the book and I know how the world ends and turns out.:dunno:

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@wvpeach,

wvpeach;38047 wrote:

I would not join the bible party of the USA

Because I am a servant of God and our savior Jesus Christ.

I know that the bible clearly says no government of man will ever prosper or have the best interests of its citizens in mind.

Indeed it is folly on my part to follow politics at all because I have read the end of the book and I know how the world ends and turns out.:dunno:

Faith without action is dead.

I've read to the last verse also. I know how it turns out as well as you. The war was truly won more than 2000 years ago by our Lord and Redeemer Jesus the Christ.

God chooses the leaders of nations. God could have made the Israelites accept Jesus. He didn't. They were called to do something. Their part was to accept their Messiah. They didn't.

The Apostles who did, were constantly being called to action. They wrote of the need to put faith into action. Action is the outward sign of obedience, belief, and faith.

Brothers and sisters in Christ need to support each other. One way to ensure that support in a representative government is to organize so our values (God's values) are considered in public policy development.

The United States has a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. If people who honor God's Word stay out of the government and leave their government to pagans, they have only themselves to blame for the result. Ask youself, is this what God's Word calls us to do? There is no religious test for representative participation in the US government. That is good because the government could change the test to what ever religion had gained the most power in the temporal plane. As Christians and Jews we have an obligation to obey God. To obey God, we must know God’s Word. We can verify if Children of Israel know God’s Word.

We are called to put that knowledge into action. James 1:22 – 1:25, “But be doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man looking at his own face in a mirror; for he looks at himself, goes away, and right away forgets what kind of man he was. But the one who looks intently into the perfect law of freedom and perseveres in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer who acts—this person will be blessed in what he does.”

If we can’t obey God because our government rules so, then we must become fully engaged, and place members of the Body of Christ in government. One way to do that is to leave it to the present system of secular political parties. Think how that has worked in the USA to create conditions in which God’s Word can be obeyed only with difficulty.

If a political organization is based on secular ideals and embraces evil thoughts and practices then Children of Israel who enter those organizations with the intent of becoming leaders and changing those organizations are themselves changed by the time they become leaders of the organizations. This change is insidious, happening over time and being nearly unnoticeable to the person undergoing the change.

Another way to place God’s children in government is to establish a political party that is based on God’s Word and requires all its members to obey God’s Word. God’s Word is then the corporate culture of the party. It changes members of the party to conform to God’s Word. If they waiver through interaction with secular entities, the party itself reinforces God’s influence and negates the temporal influence.

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@Volunteer,

Volunteer;38184 wrote:

Faith without action is dead.

I've read to the last verse also. I know how it turns out as well as you. The war was truly won more than 2000 years ago by our Lord and Redeemer Jesus the Christ.

God chooses the leaders of nations. God could have made the Israelites accept Jesus. He didn't. They were called to do something. Their part was to accept their Messiah. They didn't.

The Apostles who did, were constantly being called to action. They wrote of the need to put faith into action. Action is the outward sign of obedience, belief, and faith.

Brothers and sisters in Christ need to support each other. One way to ensure that support in a representative government is to organize so our values (God's values) are considered in public policy development.

The United States has a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. If people who honor God's Word stay out of the government and leave their government to pagans, they have only themselves to blame for the result. Ask youself, is this what God's Word calls us to do? There is no religious test for representative participation in the US government. That is good because the government could change the test to what ever religion had gained the most power in the temporal plane. As Christians and Jews we have an obligation to obey God. To obey God, we must know God’s Word. We can verify if Children of Israel know God’s Word.

We are called to put that knowledge into action. James 1:22 – 1:25, “But be doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man looking at his own face in a mirror; for he looks at himself, goes away, and right away forgets what kind of man he was. But the one who looks intently into the perfect law of freedom and perseveres in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer who acts—this person will be blessed in what he does.”

If we can’t obey God because our government rules so, then we must become fully engaged, and place members of the Body of Christ in government. One way to do that is to leave it to the present system of secular political parties. Think how that has worked in the USA to create conditions in which God’s Word can be obeyed only with difficulty.

If a political organization is based on secular ideals and embraces evil thoughts and practices then Children of Israel who enter those organizations with the intent of becoming leaders and changing those organizations are themselves changed by the time they become leaders of the organizations. This change is insidious, happening over time and being nearly unnoticeable to the person undergoing the change.

Another way to place God’s children in government is to establish a political party that is based on God’s Word and requires all its members to obey God’s Word. God’s Word is then the corporate culture of the party. It changes members of the party to conform to God’s Word. If they waiver through interaction with secular entities, the party itself reinforces God’s influence and negates the temporal influence.

Really? And who's Bible would be in charge...The Catholic Bible? The Episcopal Bible? The Baptist Bible? Maybe the Mormon's Bible (and that's a whole 'nurther chapters, and then some, isn't it?)....No, I like the concept of separation of church and state...which allows for freedoms....freedom of religious affiliation and conviction, or the lack thereof.
When one man's church or philosophy dominates this nation, it will be the beginning of the end, for it will be the church of the Antichrist, as foretold in scripture...and I'm in no particular "rush" for that to occur.
I reject it , out of hand.

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@aaronssongs,

aaronssongs;38188 wrote:

Really? And who's Bible would be in charge...The Catholic Bible? The Episcopal Bible? The Baptist Bible? Maybe the Mormon's Bible (and that's a whole 'nurther chapters, and then some, isn't it?)....No, I like the concept of separation of church and state...which allows for freedoms....freedom of religious affiliation and conviction, or the lack thereof.
When one man's church or philosophy dominates this nation, it will be the beginning of the end, for it will be the church of the Antichrist, as foretold in scripture...and I'm in no particular "rush" for that to occur.
I reject it , out of hand.

There is only one Bible. There are two testaments. Both are congruent. The new testament did not abolish the old.

Your remark indicates you mistake denominations within Christianity with being a Christian and God's Word. Being a member of a Christian denomination does not necessarily mean you are a Christian.

It sounds more like you like freedom from religion and religious conviction. Asd long as government is independent of God's values, government will be amoral and serve no one but evil. God's Word provides God's values.

Chistianity and Judaism are technically not religions. They are relationships with God based on one of the covenants/testaments.

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@Volunteer,

Volunteer;38189 wrote:

There is only one Bible. There are two testaments. Both are congruent. The new testament did not abolish the old.

Your remark indicates you mistake denominations within Christianity with being a Christian and God's Word. Being a member of a Christian denomination does not necessarily mean you are a Christian.

It sounds more like you like freedom from religion and religious conviction. Asd long as government is independent of God's values, government will be amoral and serve no one but evil. God's Word provides God's values.

Chistianity and Judaism are technically not religions. They are relationships with God based on one of the covenants/testaments.

Rather a government that is governed by God fearing folk, than one dictated by something like a Bible Party USA, totally disregarding and dismissing any others who may believe differently, which is their right by The Constitution of the USA....you would, in fact, dissolve that right, in lieu of allegiance to your philosophy....Christian Fascism, so to speak.

In response to your assertion that "Christianity and Judaism are technically not religions"
Wikipedia, which has more credibility than you cites, " Judaism and Christianity are two closely related Abrahamic religions that in some ways parallel each other and in other ways fundamentally diverge in theology and practice. Whereas the article on the Judeo-Christian tradition emphasizes continuities and convergences between the two religions, this article emphasizes the widely diverging views held by Judaism and Christianity.

As with the article on the Judeo-Christian tradition, this article makes generalizations about Jewish and Christian beliefs and practices. Nevertheless, neither religion is monolithic. There are also individual variations among believers in both religions.

Each religion has an ethos, that is, an internal description of its raison d'?tre. The ethos of Christianity is to provide all human beings with what it holds to be the only valid path to salvation (John 14:6, Great Commission, Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus, Solus Christus). Christians believe people are, in their current state, sinful. Christians believe that Jesus was both the Son of God and God the Son, God made incarnate; that Jesus' death by crucifixion was a sacrifice to atone for all humanity's sins, and that acceptance of Jesus as the Christ saves one from judgement (John 5:24) and gives one Eternal life (John 3:16). Christians believe that Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:6). His famous sermon from a hill representing Mount Zion is considered by many Christian scholars to be the antitype [1] of the proclamation of the Old Covenant by Moses from Mount Sinai. See also Catechism.

Judaism's raison d'?tre is to carry out the Covenant between God and the Jewish people. The Torah (lit. "teaching"), both written and oral, both tells the story of this covenant, and provides Jews with the terms of the covenant. The Torah thus guides Jews to walk in God's ways (Deut 30:16), to help them learn how to live a holy life on earth, and to bring holiness into the world and into every part of life, so that life may be elevated to a high level of sanctity (Lev 19:2, Imitatio dei). This will allow the Jewish people as a community to be a "light unto the nations" (Isa 42:6, 49:6, 60:3) (i.e., a role model) over the course of history and a part of the divine intent of bringing about an age of peace and sanctity where ideally a faithful life and good deeds should be ends in themselves, not means. See also Jewish principles of faith."

The Bible is also open to interpretation...if not, why is there the need for different sermons from different clergymen, on different days of the week, in different churches, to different congregations? Seems there are differing POV's, when it comes to scripture, and it's meaning, and message. Given that, how can there be agreement within a so-called Bible Party of USA...I'm an Episcopalian, by birth....I wouldn't necessarily subscribe to C.O.G.I.C. (Church of God in Christ)...the Episcopal Church in American, is, essentially "Anglo-Catholic", and its' doctrine is very similar to that of the Catholic Church...so if I believe differently than you...how could we coalesce under one religious/political ideology? We could not...hence ecumenism, is a slow work, hardly in progress.
So what you talking about ain't about a hill of beans...know what I mean?
And please refrain from trying to explain what I mean, and what I said...I am fully capable of expressing myself, clearly and concisely....you do you, and let me do me.

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@Volunteer,

volunteer

please give a example of how the laws of this country make it impossible for the individual Christian to obey the laws of God. ?

Or for the church not to obey God?

Keep in mind I am not talking about abortion being legal or gay unions being legal. Because there is no law in this country that says a christian has to have a abortion or be gay for that matter.

So how do the laws of the country affect how the individual christian obeys the laws of God? I am interested to know, because I realize I live in a state that is largely christian and we tend to live and let live , so may be in other states its not the same.:dunno:

Volunteer;38184 wrote:

Faith without action is dead.

I've read to the last verse also. I know how it turns out as well as you. The war was truly won more than 2000 years ago by our Lord and Redeemer Jesus the Christ.

God chooses the leaders of nations. God could have made the Israelites accept Jesus. He didn't. They were called to do something. Their part was to accept their Messiah. They didn't.

The Apostles who did, were constantly being called to action. They wrote of the need to put faith into action. Action is the outward sign of obedience, belief, and faith.

Brothers and sisters in Christ need to support each other. One way to ensure that support in a representative government is to organize so our values (God's values) are considered in public policy development.

The United States has a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. If people who honor God's Word stay out of the government and leave their government to pagans, they have only themselves to blame for the result. Ask youself, is this what God's Word calls us to do? There is no religious test for representative participation in the US government. That is good because the government could change the test to what ever religion had gained the most power in the temporal plane. As Christians and Jews we have an obligation to obey God. To obey God, we must know God?s Word. We can verify if Children of Israel know God?s Word.

We are called to put that knowledge into action. James 1:22 ? 1:25, ?But be doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man looking at his own face in a mirror; for he looks at himself, goes away, and right away forgets what kind of man he was. But the one who looks intently into the perfect law of freedom and perseveres in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer who acts?this person will be blessed in what he does.?

If we can?t obey God because our government rules so, then we must become fully engaged, and place members of the Body of Christ in government. One way to do that is to leave it to the present system of secular political parties. Think how that has worked in the USA to create conditions in which God?s Word can be obeyed only with difficulty.

If a political organization is based on secular ideals and embraces evil thoughts and practices then Children of Israel who enter those organizations with the intent of becoming leaders and changing those organizations are themselves changed by the time they become leaders of the organizations. This change is insidious, happening over time and being nearly unnoticeable to the person undergoing the change.

Another way to place God?s children in government is to establish a political party that is based on God?s Word and requires all its members to obey God?s Word. God?s Word is then the corporate culture of the party. It changes members of the party to conform to God?s Word. If they waiver through interaction with secular entities, the party itself reinforces God?s influence and negates the temporal influence.

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@wvpeach,

wvpeach;38195 wrote:

volunteer

please give a example of how the laws of this country make it impossible for the individual Christian to obey the laws of God. ?

Or for the church not to obey God?

Keep in mind I am not talking about abortion being legal or gay unions being legal. Because there is no law in this country that says a christian has to have a abortion or be gay for that matter.

So how do the laws of the country affect how the individual christian obeys the laws of God? I am interested to know, because I realize I live in a state that is largely christian and we tend to live and let live , so may be in other states its not the same.:dunno:

WVPeach,
"Live and let live"???? That's rich! Most of these so-called Christian zealots, are among the most intolerable and hateful people I have ever encountered.
With Christ as the primary example for "how to be", they are the farthest from it....judgemental and holier-than-thou...."Judgement is mine, saith the Lord"...I guess all these folk think they're on God's level, or something.

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@Volunteer,

Quote:

That's rich! Most of these so-called Christian zealots, are among the most intolerable and hateful people I have ever encountered.

This would be coming from someone that was hateless and tolerant huh, LOL.

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;38274 wrote:

This would be coming from someone that was hateless and tolerant huh, LOL.

yes. can you say the same?

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@Volunteer,

If you can, yes sir ree.

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@wvpeach,

wvpeach;38195 wrote:

volunteer

please give a example of how the laws of this country make it impossible for the individual Christian to obey the laws of God. ?

Or for the church not to obey God?

Keep in mind I am not talking about abortion being legal or gay unions being legal. Because there is no law in this country that says a christian has to have a abortion or be gay for that matter.

So how do the laws of the country affect how the individual christian obeys the laws of God? I am interested to know, because I realize I live in a state that is largely christian and we tend to live and let live , so may be in other states its not the same.:dunno:

The mythical separation of church and state is one major example. There is no statement in the Constitution or Bill of Rights of the USA that implies a separation of church and state. Yet this has become the law of the land based on a ruling from the Supreme Court of the USA.

This ruling has opened the door for the removal of all prayer from our puiblic schools; the removal of the Bible as a book of instruction in our public schools; changing the history taught to our children and grandchildren in our public schools from the actual facts, in which the nature of our founders' Christian relationship with God has been replaced by a sanitized version that excludes the role of Christianity in the founding and building of the USA. It has also led to an exclusion of publicly professing Christians from many walks of life.

With the introduction of the hate crimes legislation now being considered as an ammendment to the FY 2008 Defense Appropriations Act, if this passes, Christians will be prohibited from teaching their children the Word of God and church leaders will be prohibited by law from preaching the Gospel.

Already, the forces of the anti-Christ are forcing Christians to remove the cross from their gravestones/markers. Christian symbols placed on memorials are in jeopardy every day from a concerted effort to remove all reference to Christ Jesus and His Father from the public eye.

If you believe this does not constitute a prohibition against the individual Christian obeying God's Word, then consider this as only one passage that these societal actions have caused Christians to ignore or shun:

Dt 11:18-11:19, “Impress these words of Mine on your hearts and souls, bind them as a sign on your hands, and let them be a symbol on your foreheads. Teach them to your children, talking about them when you sit in your house and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up.”

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@aaronssongs,

aaronssongs;38193 wrote:

Rather a government that is governed by God fearing folk, than one dictated by something like a Bible Party USA, totally disregarding and dismissing any others who may believe differently, which is their right by The Constitution of the USA....you would, in fact, dissolve that right, in lieu of allegiance to your philosophy....Christian Fascism, so to speak.

We've been here before Aaron. See below.

Proverbs 1:20-33, ?Wisdom calls out in the street; she raises her voice in the public squares. She cries out above the commotion; she speaks at the entrance of the city gates:

"How long, foolish ones, will you love ignorance? [How long] will [you] mockers enjoy mocking and [you] fools hate knowledge? If you turn to my discipline, then I will pour out my spirit on you and teach you my words.

Since I called out and you refused, extended my hand and no one paid attention, since you neglected all my counsel and did not accept my correction, I, in turn, will laugh at your calamity. I will mock when terror strikes you, when terror strikes you like a storm and your calamity comes like a whirlwind, when trouble and stress overcome you.

Then they will call me, but I won't answer; they will search for me, but won't find me. Because they hated knowledge, didn't choose to fear the LORD, were not interested in my counsel, and rejected all my correction, they will eat the fruit of their way and be glutted with their own schemes. For the waywardness of the inexperienced will kill them, and the complacency of fools will destroy them. But whoever listens to me will live securely and be free from the fear of danger."?

Christians do not believe in dictatorial control. They believe in individual freedom to teach their children the Word of God and to choose to live by God's Word or not to live by God's Word. The purpose of the BIble Party is to recreate those conditions in which we can all do this. The issue is removal of God's Word from public life. It has been and continues to be under assault.

Those who wish to eliminate God's Word from the public are the Fascists or Communists, all groups and indivuidals who do this both embody the spirit of the anti-Christ.

fascism
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fascism

Definition of fascism - Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
Main Entry: fas?cism
Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date: 1921
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

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@aaronssongs,

aaronssongs;38193 wrote:

In response to your assertion that "Christianity and Judaism are technically not religions"
Wikipedia, which has more credibility than you cites, " Judaism and Christianity are two closely related Abrahamic religions that in some ways parallel each other and in other ways fundamentally diverge in theology and practice. Whereas the article on the Judeo-Christian tradition emphasizes continuities and convergences between the two religions, this article emphasizes the widely diverging views held by Judaism and Christianity.

Gee, which should we believe with respect to our belief in God and our eternal life, the Bible or Wikipedia?

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@aaronssongs,

aaronssongs;38193 wrote:

The Bible is also open to interpretation...if not, why is there the need for different sermons from different clergymen, on different days of the week, in different churches, to different congregations? Seems there are differing POV's, when it comes to scripture, and it's meaning, and message.

Sounds like there is a lot of diversity in the Christian body. Could it be that individuals have individual needs at different times in their lives and that these needs are met in the manner appropriate for the need, time, and individual?

The Scripture does not change, we change. As you grew older, you learned different things and as you learned more, you viewed the same issues with different eyes. Could it be that this is also how the same passage of Scripture appears to (or actually does) mean different things to different Christians and Jews at different stages in their growth?

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@Volunteer,

I asked for one example of how the laws of this nation keep a christian from obeying God?

Sorry volunteer you have given none.

The bible has not been taught as the book of instruction in our public schools for 1/2 a century. In the beginning it was only used as a instruction manual because most homes had one and books were in short supply.

And most public schools I know and my sons a high school teacher do not prohibit children from praying . They just do not make them pray. And students have prayer around the pole and Student for Christ groups they have set up themselves and are well received in the schools. Most still pray in locker rooms before athletic events and at events like graduation.
Besides as a Christian if you do not like your local school system , you are always free to send your children to a Christian private school or to home school them yourself. So until the US passes a law saying that all kids must be sent to public schools and cannot attend private schools or be homed schooled your argument is not valid. In fact it is untrue. As a Christian parent it was my responsibility to teach my children about God. Not the governments.

The hate crime legislation just passed. I don't hear anybody telling Christians or pastors they cannot teach the bible anywhere. Now perhaps you will hear that somebody landed in jail that should have been taught the entire bible. Like some poor person who had parents that taught them that being gay is wrong without teaching them that Christ also said we are not to take it upon oursleves to judge or take revenge. You might hear some person who was not taught the real teachings of Christ gets prosecuted under the Hate crimes act because they killed or beat somebody up. But then they would not really be acting on the teachings of christ , because he never told us to beat or kill anybody.

And volunteer if you read the bible you would know that it says the world will turn against God's people and then the end will come. So praise God brother it looks like from your standpoint its almost here. I don't see it yet and truthfully I cannot wait for the return of our Lord . So let me know when the world really turns against the people of God . I will be thrilled and look up because I know that my Lords return is near.

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@wvpeach,

Volunteer

You do realize that during Jesus lifetime , Roman rule was the law of the land and that teaching about God was not main stream? The romans had many God and myths they worshipped and yet the Jewish God believers still remained stead fast in their faith?

You do realize that at many times down through history Christians have faced death if they met together to worship God?

Compared to history we are in a fairly good state where our religion is concerned in this country. We can teach our children as we please and we can meet together without fear of a army arresting and killing us all.

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