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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 03:10 pm
@aaronssongs,
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A child of 16, certainly, doesn't know more than I.


Does a mustard seed?
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 03:14 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;23290 wrote:
And another thing....
You know "talk" is cheap. Everybody wants to talk about how to make situations better, or what's best for everybody...but people are lacking on solutions.
My question is what have you done, on a personal level, to contribute back to society, other than "lip service"???
Your question to me would be , What have I done?
Well, having no personal disposable income or savings, at the time, I endeavored and researched a fundraiser, held at the Kilworth Manor, in mid-town Houston, in December 2002, entitled, "An Evening at the Manor", featuring performance of my poetry (from my book and other collected works), an in-house performance by the Houston band, Tru Sol, and performances by local artists and poets, including a silent auction (featuring a signed copy of The Cosby Show Retrospective, on DVD, contributed by the show's star, Phylicia Rashad)....all which raised in excess of $15,000 for Children with AIDS outreach program of the Houston AIDS Foundation.

I'm quite confident that is more than anyone else has done on this very board. So can you put your money where your mouth has been?


So, you helped organize an evening to promote your poetry, books, and reputation by using children with an incurable disease as the draw. Very philanthropic of you.
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 03:17 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;23299 wrote:
Why does it matter, indeed!
Just like those people in society who do not exercise their right to vote, have no business complaining about the way thngs are...likewise, those that have never contributed back to society, in any meaningful way, have no business criticizing those who have.

I'm saying you're all talk and no action....and in the scheme of things, "you" don't really matter. how's that?


Typical liberal claptrap. Sounds like a variation on the theme of a fetus being a lump of tissue. How's that for ad hom?
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 03:21 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;23310 wrote:
Back before the Civil War the same arguement was used by the Democratic party. They use to say, I'm so sick of all this anti slavery talk. While I don't favor slavery, I believe it's not my right to tell another man what he sould do with his slaves.
If parents neglect their children, then God will deal with them someday, yet please don't try and convince me that murder is the only solution.
Murder is not, and has never been the answer, and a nation who believes it is, will only put themselves in the cross hairs of God's judgement, and that is God's honest truth. I already believe it is to late for this nation, and I believe as a nation this country has spilled way to much innocent blood on America soil for God to ignore. God does not look kindly on a people or a nation that kills innocent children.


Roger that.

I'm sure you've seen Fiddler on the Roof. On the other hand,

Ezekiel 33, “The word of the LORD came to me: "Son of man, speak to your people and tell them: Suppose I bring the sword against a land, and the people of that land select a man from among them, appointing him as their watchman, and he sees the sword coming against the land and blows his trumpet to warn the people. Then, if anyone hears the sound of the trumpet but ignores the warning, and the sword comes and takes him away, his blood will be on his own head. [Since] he heard the sound of the trumpet but ignored the warning, his blood is on his own hands. If he had taken warning, he would have saved his life. However, if the watchman sees the sword coming but doesn't blow the trumpet, so that the people aren't warned, and the sword comes and takes away their lives, then they have been taken away because of their iniquity, but I will hold the watchman accountable for their blood.

"As for you, son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel. When you hear a word from My mouth, give them a warning from Me. If I say to the wicked: Wicked one, you will surely die, but you do not speak out to warn him about his way, that wicked person will die for his iniquity, yet I will hold you responsible for his blood. But if you warn a wicked person to turn from his way and he doesn't turn from it, he will die for his iniquity, but you will have saved your life.

"Now as for you, son of man, say to the house of Israel: You have said this: Our transgressions and our sins are [heavy] on us, and we are wasting away because of them! How then can we survive? Tell them: As I live"—the declaration of the Lord GOD —"I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked person should turn from his way and live. Repent, repent of your evil ways! Why will you die, house of Israel?

"Now, son of man, say to your people: The righteousness of the righteous person will not save him on the day of his transgression; neither will the wickedness of the wicked person cause him to stumble on the day he turns from his wickedness. The righteous person won't be able to survive by his righteousness on the day he sins. 13 When I tell the righteous person that he will surely live, but he trusts in his righteousness and commits iniquity, then none of his righteousness will be remembered, and he will die because of the iniquity he has committed.

"So when I tell the wicked person: You will surely die, but he repents of his sin and does what is just and right—he returns collateral, makes restitution for what he has stolen, and walks in the statutes of life without practicing iniquity—he will certainly live; he will not die. None of the sins he committed will be held against him. He has done what is just and right; he will certainly live.

"But your people say: The Lord's way isn't fair, even though it is their own way that isn't fair. When a righteous person turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, he will die on account of this. But when a wicked person turns from his wickedness and does what is just and right, he will live because of this. Yet you say: The Lord's way isn't fair. I will judge each of you according to his ways, house of Israel."

In the twelfth year of our exile, in the tenth [month], on the fifth [day] of the month, a fugitive from Jerusalem came to me and reported, "The city has been taken!" Now the hand of the LORD had been on me the evening before the fugitive arrived, and He opened my mouth before the man came to me in the morning. So my mouth was opened and I was no longer mute.

Then the word of the LORD came to me: "Son of man, those who live in the ruins in the land of Israel are saying: Abraham was only one person, yet he received possession of the land. But we are many; the land has been given to us as a possession. Therefore say to them: This is what the Lord GOD says: You eat [meat] with blood [in it], raise your eyes to your idols, and shed blood. Should you then receive possession of the land? You have relied on your swords, you have committed abominations, and each of you has defiled his neighbor's wife. Should you then receive possession of the land?

"Tell them this: This is what the Lord GOD says: As surely as I live, those who are in the ruins will fall by the sword, those in the open field I have given to wild animals to be devoured, and those in the strongholds and caves will die by plague. I will make the land a desolate waste, and its proud strength will come to an end. The mountains of Israel will become desolate, with no one passing through. They will know that I am the LORD when I make the land a desolate waste because of all the abominations they have committed.

"Now, son of man, your people are talking about you near the [city] walls and in the doorways of their houses. One person speaks to another, each saying to his brother: Come and hear what the message is that comes from the LORD! So My people come to you in crowds, sit in front of you, and hear your words, but they don't obey them. Although they express love with their mouths, their hearts pursue unjust gain. Yes, to them you are like a singer of love songs who has a beautiful voice and plays skillfully on an instrument. They hear your words, but they don't obey them. Yet when it comes—and it will definitely come—then they will know that a prophet has been among them."”
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 03:42 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;23320 wrote:
What I'm really sick of is having to deal with people who have absolutely no idea of what they are talking about.

Believe whatever...this is a free country.
But don't impose your beliefs on me, or anyone else.
How dare you? How arrogant!


Yeah, me too.

aaronssongs;23320 wrote:
"Believe whatever...this is a free country.
But don't impose your beliefs on me, or anyone else.
How dare you? How arrogant!"
Ditto and back at you.
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 03:50 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;23320 wrote:
You're a right wing religious zealot, obviously....you don't have an inside track as to the mind of God, and cannot speak to what He will do, or won't do...


This was aimed at someone else, but what the heck.... Right wing religious zealot? Ad hom? Humm.... Clumsy.

Inside track to the mind of God? Speak to what He will or won't do?

Read the Bible. It reveals God's Mind. It reveals what he will and won't do. It reveals what we should and should not do.
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 03:54 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;23320 wrote:
Conventional wisdom says that fetuses are not children...some would say that they are...therein lies the divide. The crux of the matter is where does life begin, at the moment of conception, or at the point where the fetus is viable independent of the mother? The jury is out...
I say abortion is not murder....it is dissolution of an embryo, which is not yet a person, a child, or entitled to human rights. My opinion.
There is nothing in the Bible which says otherwise...so don't even go there.


Sure, this is a typical tactic of someone with a weak argument that they know can't stand on its own two feet. You state your opinion, use the idea that everybody believes the same, then prohibit the hearer from using a source of counterargument that refutes what you espouse. How cowardly.
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 04:41 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;23345 wrote:
Man, you're just wrong on every count here.

Anyone has a "right" (ahem) to criticise whatever or whoever the hell they want. To ignore them based on who they are is ad hominem.


Wow....Absolutely too funny, and quite ridiculous...If it was left up to you, you would always win, no matter what....it's like saying either accept my view of reality (while I'm dismissing yours) or I'm taking all the marbles and going home, because you don't play fair. How juvenile?
You can criticise, but can't be criticized...you can dish out ad hominem attacks, but don't let anyone do it to you. Which means you're not being logical, and therefore any hope of discourse is lost...It's called being in denial....sad...one day, I sincerely hope, your little house of cards comes tumbling down and you have a a-ha moment, and realize how foolish you have been...the world is not as you picture it, or spin it....it is as it is. Peace.
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 04:47 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;23347 wrote:
There is nothing in the Bible which states otherwise?

I would have to differ on you there, but thats because I know my Bible. In the Old Testament it states that if two men are fighting, and by accident mind you, one of those men strike a woman that is pregnant, then that person will have to pay a fine. If further folly should follow, and the woman should lose her child, then the Bible states, that mans life will be required. And why should his life be required? Because the Bible states it is a life for a life. The Bible has already qualified the unborn as a living being, even if you have not.
And yes, I do recall Judge not lest ye be judged. It was spoken during the Sermon on the Mount by Jesus. And I know you don't even have a clue why Jesus said that. Jesus was telling the Jews that no matter how close they followed the law, it would be impossible for them to be good enought to get to heaven by the works of the Law. So Jesus took it up a notch more and then told the Jews, if you try to follow the law in order to get to heaven, then this is how good you will have to be. Jesus told them, if you look on a woman to lust after her, pluck out your eye so you will not sin. Now tell me, do you really think Jesus wants us to pluck out our eyes in order to fulfill the laws of the Sermon on the Mount? You may say abortion is not murder, but the Bible clearly states that a man should be put to death if he should kill an unborn child. Don't get mad at me, I didnt author the Bible, I'm just telling you what it said.


Bible Thumper...you 're probably one of those who takes every comma, period and letter, literally...so, when are you packing up the kids to visit the Creation Museum in Kentucky....Adam and Eve (portrayed as "white people", naturally) living side by side with friendly carnivorous dinosaurs....and I have the problem? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 04:52 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;23352 wrote:
I know what it means to be a citizen of the United States of America. I have served the United States for more than 28 years. I have done so overseas and here in the States. I have earned my knowledge of what it means to be a US citizen. Have you?

If my God is not your god, then you don't have to vote for people who believe in and pledge to honor the Word of my God.

If more people feel as you do, that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel is not their god, then people who believe in and pledge to honor my God, will not be voted into office.

What's your problem with that? Why are you afraid of that?


My God is not a vengeful God....He is not how you portray him. Your view of the Bible is a distorted and corrupt one. You would enslave others to your point of view...however this is America, land of the free, and home of the brave. You don't get to call the shots (Thank God). I am free to believe as I choose. People of other faiths fall under the umbrella of being American. With intolerance and hate, as you clearly exhibit, it's a wonder how we've managed to stay a United States of America...because some people, clearly, don't belong here.
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 04:58 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;23354 wrote:
Christians are the body of Christ here and now. If the body of Christ sits and does nothing in the face of evil, then more people will believe evil is good than believe in Christ Jesus and God's Word. One reason God's children are called to go into all the world and preach the Gospel is to erase ignorance of the kind you promote when you tell people who rebuke evil to go somewhere and sit down.


In my book, you're evil...what should we do about that?
You corrupt the word of God, to your own ends.
Who died and made you the God of judgement...you sin when you judge others...why don't you get that?
The KKK consider themselves Christians....Christians who practice hate.
Do you think they have a place in heaven...because you know all people thinking that they're doing god's work, ain't going to heaven. or don't you believe that.
It's written, " the first shall be last, and the last, first"....I just know you think you'll be at the head of the line. LOLOLOL
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 04:59 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;23357 wrote:
You are absolutely correct, Christians should not be focused on one evil to the exclusion of another or multitudes. Christians should not compromise with evil to make progress against evil. That leads to a house divided which leads to its fall. That is why Christians and Jews should discard the isanity of believing that either party will change its behavior and start their own party to promote God's values as stated in the Bible and Torah.


God save us from people like you. Amen
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 05:17 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;23375 wrote:
My God is not a vengeful God....He is not how you portray him. Your view of the Bible is a distorted and corrupt one. You would enslave others to your point of view...however this is America, land of the free, and home of the brave. You don't get to call the shots (Thank God). I am free to believe as I choose. People of other faiths fall under the umbrella of being American. With intolerance and hate, as you clearly exhibit, it's a wonder how we've managed to stay a United States of America...because some people, clearly, don't belong here.


You are free to believe as you choose. You are also free to act or not. That is what God says throughout the Bible.

You didn't address any of my questions. You only did as you accused the 16 year olds, attack the person when you don't have an argument. How mature is that for a person who states their age is 54?

Humm... Isn't that behavior what the Democrats are good at, attacking and destroying an idea without a better alternative than the one they attack? Well, there can be a better alternative than either Democrat or Republican. All people have to do is wake up and stop accepting the bamboozling.

Again, I ask you, what is your problem with people who believe the Bible or Torah is the Word of God, pledging to honor it, and being elected to public office? Are you Biblephobic?
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 05:23 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;23375 wrote:
My God is not a vengeful God....He is not how you portray him. Your view of the Bible is a distorted and corrupt one. You would enslave others to your point of view...however this is America, land of the free, and home of the brave. You don't get to call the shots (Thank God). I am free to believe as I choose. People of other faiths fall under the umbrella of being American. With intolerance and hate, as you clearly exhibit, it's a wonder how we've managed to stay a United States of America...because some people, clearly, don't belong here.


Read the Bible through once. If you are honest, you'll gain new respect for God.

Intolerance? If it is intollerance to rebuke poor (evil) behavior, then yes, I am intollerant. If it is intollerance to be light and salt, then I am intollerant. Christ Jesus never said we should tollerate hate (of self or anyone else), ignorance, or evil. Labling someone as intollerant because they disagree with you is simply inept and wearing thin. Try another tactic.
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 05:32 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;23377 wrote:
In my book, you're evil...what should we do about that?
You corrupt the word of God, to your own ends.
Who died and made you the God of judgement...you sin when you judge others...why don't you get that?
The KKK consider themselves Christians....Christians who practice hate.
Do you think they have a place in heaven...because you know all people thinking that they're doing god's work, ain't going to heaven. or don't you believe that.
It's written, " the first shall be last, and the last, first"....I just know you think you'll be at the head of the line. LOLOLOL
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 05:42 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;23375 wrote:
My God is not a vengeful God....He is not how you portray him. Your view of the Bible is a distorted and corrupt one. You would enslave others to your point of view...however this is America, land of the free, and home of the brave. You don't get to call the shots (Thank God). I am free to believe as I choose. People of other faiths fall under the umbrella of being American. With intolerance and hate, as you clearly exhibit, it's a wonder how we've managed to stay a United States of America...because some people, clearly, don't belong here.
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 05:51 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;23377 wrote:
In my book, you're evil...what should we do about that?
You corrupt the word of God, to your own ends.
Who died and made you the God of judgement...you sin when you judge others...why don't you get that?
The KKK consider themselves Christians....Christians who practice hate.
Do you think they have a place in heaven...because you know all people thinking that they're doing god's work, ain't going to heaven. or don't you believe that.
It's written, " the first shall be last, and the last, first"....I just know you think you'll be at the head of the line. LOLOLOL
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 05:58 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;23377 wrote:
In my book, you're evil...what should we do about that?
You corrupt the word of God, to your own ends.
Who died and made you the God of judgement...you sin when you judge others...why don't you get that?
The KKK consider themselves Christians....Christians who practice hate.
Do you think they have a place in heaven...because you know all people thinking that they're doing god's work, ain't going to heaven. or don't you believe that.
It's written, " the first shall be last, and the last, first"....I just know you think you'll be at the head of the line. LOLOLOL
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 06:04 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;23377 wrote:
In my book, you're evil...what should we do about that?
You corrupt the word of God, to your own ends.
Who died and made you the God of judgement...you sin when you judge others...why don't you get that?
The KKK consider themselves Christians....Christians who practice hate.
Do you think they have a place in heaven...because you know all people thinking that they're doing god's work, ain't going to heaven. or don't you believe that.
It's written, " the first shall be last, and the last, first"....I just know you think you'll be at the head of the line. LOLOLOL


Here is the last reference I will post today from Scripture on the first last issue.

Please explain which of these three contexts you intended.

Matthew 20:1-16, "For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. After agreeing with the workers on one denarius for the day, he sent them into his vineyard. When he went out about nine in the morning, he saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. To those men he said, 'You also go to my vineyard, and I'll give you whatever is right.' So off they went. About noon and at three, he went out again and did the same thing. Then about five he went and found others standing around, and said to them, 'Why have you been standing here all day doing nothing?'

" 'Because no one hired us,' they said to him.

" 'You also go to my vineyard,' he told them. When evening came, the owner of the vineyard told his foreman, 'Call the workers and give them their pay, starting with the last and ending with the first.'

"When those who were hired about five came, they each received one denarius. So when the first ones came, they assumed they would get more, but they also received a denarius each. When they received it, they began to complain to the landowner: 'These last men put in one hour, and you made them equal to us who bore the burden of the day and the burning heat! '

"He replied to one of them, 'Friend, I'm doing you no wrong. Didn't you agree with me on a denarius? Take what's yours and go. I want to give this last man the same as I gave you. Don't I have the right to do what I want with my business? Are you jealous because I'm generous? '

"So the last will be first, and the first last."
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 06:16 pm
@Volunteer,
He's not going to respond, so you know. He had a little temper tantrum and left because we were all so inferior to him.

Edit: looks like I'm wrong, bags not packed yet?
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