Bible Party of the USA

Back before the Civil War the same arguement was used by the Democratic party. They use to say, I'm so sick of all this anti slavery talk. While I don't favor slavery, I believe it's not my right to tell another man what he sould do with his slaves.
If parents neglect their children, then God will deal with them someday, yet please don't try and convince me that murder is the only solution.
Murder is not, and has never been the answer, and a nation who believes it is, will only put themselves in the cross hairs of God's judgement, and that is God's honest truth. I already believe it is to late for this nation, and I believe as a nation this country has spilled way to much innocent blood on America soil for God to ignore. God does not look kindly on a people or a nation that kills innocent children.

And another thing....
You know "talk" is cheap. Everybody wants to talk about how to make situations better, or what's best for everybody...but people are lacking on solutions.
My question is what have you done, on a personal level, to contribute back to society, other than "lip service"???
Your question to me would be , What have I done?
Well, having no personal disposable income or savings, at the time, I endeavored and researched a fundraiser, held at the Kilworth Manor, in mid-town Houston, in December 2002, entitled, "An Evening at the Manor", featuring performance of my poetry (from my book and other collected works), an in-house performance by the Houston band, Tru Sol, and performances by local artists and poets, including a silent auction (featuring a signed copy of The Cosby Show Retrospective, on DVD, contributed by the show's star, Phylicia Rashad)....all which raised in excess of $15,000 for Children with AIDS outreach program of the Houston AIDS Foundation.

I'm quite confident that is more than anyone else has done on this very board. So can you put your money where your mouth has been?

I'm quite confident that is more than anyone else has done on this very board. So can you put your money where your mouth has been

What I'm really sick of is having to deal with people who have absolutely no idea of what they are talking about.

From the Wikipedia...(history of the Democratic Party):
"After the War of 1812, the party was divided on the issues that once contrasted it from its then-moribund rival, the Federalist Party. The party faction that supported many of the old Jeffersonian principles was later led by Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren, and became the Democratic Party, imbued with political philosophy known as Jacksonian democracy. The Democratic Party competed with its main rival, the Whig Party, from the 1830s until the 1850s. As the Democrats became increasingly associated with "The Slave Power," and the Whigs splintered over the issue of slavery and faded away, the Republican Party emerged in the 1850s in opposition to the expansion of slavery and in support of modernization.

The Democrats split over the choice of a successor to President James Buchanan along Northern and Southern lines, while the Republican Party gained an ascendancy in the election of 1860. As the American Civil War broke out, Northern Democrats were divided into War Democrats and Peace Democrats. Most War Democrats rallied to President Abraham Lincoln and the Republicans' National Union Party. The Democrats benefited from white Southerners' resentment of Reconstruction after the war and consequent hostility to the Republican Party. After Redeemers ended Reconstruction in the 1870s, and the disenfranchisement of African Americans took place in the 1890s, the South, voting Democratic, became known as the "Solid South." Though Republicans continued to control the White House until 1884, the Democrats remained competitive"

What you have said is "untrue", and "unfounded"...you're trying to use my argument against me...instead of having sound ground for your own argument
The two topics are unrelated and are not comparable.
You're a right wing religious zealot, obviously....you don't have an inside track as to the mind of God, and cannot speak to what He will do, or won't do...
Conventional wisdom says that fetuses are not children...some would say that they are...therein lies the divide. The crux of the matter is where does life begin, at the moment of conception, or at the point where the fetus is viable independent of the mother? The jury is out...
I say abortion is not murder....it is dissolution of an embryo, which is not yet a person, a child, or entitled to human rights. My opinion.
There is nothing in the Bible which says otherwise...so don't even go there.
Stop judging, because that is exactly what you're doing...and that is work reserved for God. "Judge not, lest ye be judged"....or don't you recall that?
If you do, then what the hell are you doing, judging?
Believe whatever...this is a free country.
But don't impose your beliefs on me, or anyone else.
How dare you? How arrogant!

Conventional wisdom says that fetuses are not children...some would say that they are...therein lies the divide. The crux of the matter is where does life begin, at the moment of conception, or at the point where the fetus is viable independent of the mother? The jury is out...

You're guilty of precisely what you're accusing me of...but it's not a surprise...

what the sam hill is a "logical fallacy"? when have you ever been attributed with possessing logic?

and "you people" is highly offensive, but ad hominem is something you accuse others of, but don't practice, right? typical.

Debatable. prove it.

Debatable. prove it. There has been no evidence to support your claim.

Why does it matter, indeed!
Just like those people in society who do not exercise their right to vote, have no business complaining about the way thngs are...likewise, those that have never contributed back to society, in any meaningful way, have no business criticizing those who have.

I'm saying you're all talk and no action....and in the scheme of things, "you" don't really matter. how's that?

What I'm really sick of is having to deal with people who have absolutely no idea of what they are talking about.

From the Wikipedia...(history of the Democratic Party):
"After the War of 1812, the party was divided on the issues that once contrasted it from its then-moribund rival, the Federalist Party. The party faction that supported many of the old Jeffersonian principles was later led by Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren, and became the Democratic Party, imbued with political philosophy known as Jacksonian democracy. The Democratic Party competed with its main rival, the Whig Party, from the 1830s until the 1850s. As the Democrats became increasingly associated with "The Slave Power," and the Whigs splintered over the issue of slavery and faded away, the Republican Party emerged in the 1850s in opposition to the expansion of slavery and in support of modernization.

The Democrats split over the choice of a successor to President James Buchanan along Northern and Southern lines, while the Republican Party gained an ascendancy in the election of 1860. As the American Civil War broke out, Northern Democrats were divided into War Democrats and Peace Democrats. Most War Democrats rallied to President Abraham Lincoln and the Republicans' National Union Party. The Democrats benefited from white Southerners' resentment of Reconstruction after the war and consequent hostility to the Republican Party. After Redeemers ended Reconstruction in the 1870s, and the disenfranchisement of African Americans took place in the 1890s, the South, voting Democratic, became known as the "Solid South." Though Republicans continued to control the White House until 1884, the Democrats remained competitive"

What you have said is "untrue", and "unfounded"...you're trying to use my argument against me...instead of having sound ground for your own argument
The two topics are unrelated and are not comparable.
You're a right wing religious zealot, obviously....you don't have an inside track as to the mind of God, and cannot speak to what He will do, or won't do...
Conventional wisdom says that fetuses are not children...some would say that they are...therein lies the divide. The crux of the matter is where does life begin, at the moment of conception, or at the point where the fetus is viable independent of the mother? The jury is out...
I say abortion is not murder....it is dissolution of an embryo, which is not yet a person, a child, or entitled to human rights. My opinion.
There is nothing in the Bible which says otherwise...so don't even go there.
Stop judging, because that is exactly what you're doing...and that is work reserved for God. "Judge not, lest ye be judged"....or don't you recall that?
If you do, then what the hell are you doing, judging?
Believe whatever...this is a free country.
But don't impose your beliefs on me, or anyone else.
How dare you? How arrogant!

I agree with those "rights". Again, that doesn't make it any less of an abstract concept.

Any person is responsible for their actions, and the consequences of their actions, if everyone embraces and fullfills their responsabilities(that which you may be called upon to answer for) then we won't need "rights".

Well when you have a party that supports polices which Christians believe is mass murder, (abortion) it is hard for a religious people to vote for such a party. Also the believers in abortion are usually those who support that party, as a result, the party that does not believe in abortion has grow in numbers, while the party that supports abortion has not. Even with an unpopular Republican President, the Democratic party may still find it hard to come up with enought votes to elect a Democrat to the white house. There was a good article written about this not long ago, called, The Cradle will rock. President Bush was the first president to sign into law a ban on late term abortions. Christians will remember that, and they will know that the best chance they have for stopping abortion is with the Republican party. Most Democrats do not seem interested in stopping abortion. I believe time will show that not only have the Democrats supported polices that have led to the death of 60 million American children, I believe time will show Democrats, that those polices will also usher in the death of their own party.

no, no, no......I was with you up until the last half.
Religion and Politics should not mix. And certainly not using any one text as the end all and be all....Because your God, is not my God.
God does not play politics, and for you to insinuate that he does is blasphemy IMHO. God does not favor one party over another...one nation over another, one people over another...we need to get that out of our rhetoric, if not, we'll be forever divided and pitted against each other.
God's Word is found in the Torah...the Koran, some believe is divinely insprired...The Bible should not be abused and mandatory for all peoples...America is a quilt...with each panel precious..if you don't believe that, then you are lost on what it means to be American

This thread was started to explore and examine creation of another party. The reason is to replace or supplement the two existing parties. One argument put forward for not creating another party is that there is no need for it because one or the other of the two existing major parties addresses the needs of all people and, in this case, Christians as the needs arise.

Both parties, Democrat and Republican are corrupt. Both parties support policies that inhibit parents' ability to teach their children God's Word and enable their children to live by God's Word. Both parties succome to influence by people and entities who wish to subvert God's Word, the family, and basic institutions critical to our country's future. Neither party supports the rule of law unless it ends in political gain for the party and its supporters.

Citizens vote for one or the other party to vote for the lesser of two evils. They don't vote for a candidate, because neither party provides candidates who are worth voting for.

The Bible Party of the United States promises to provide candidates who embody an objective standard that is not vulnerable to the vagaries of fashion or passion. Why vote for a candidate who promises to vote the way Christian voters want for one issue while being unable to actually vote that way due to the party whip's activities, etc....

Why not create a party that allows Christains and Jews to vote for a group of candidates they know will be true to their commitment because they are proven to share Judeo-Christian values and have a deep commitment to honor God's Word?

I am so sick of anti-abortion folk. While I don't favor abortion, I believe it is of no one's concern except the woman in question and her maker. Get out of the business of judgement, and leave that to God...He don't need yours or my help.

In principal that does sound like a good idea. Yet such an undertaking never seems to get off the ground. So those of us with a faith based slant vote for the lesser of the two evils. In this case, saving the life of the unborn seems to be in the camp of the Republicans. When the Democratic party comes out stronger on pro Life issues then Republicans, that will be the day I become a Democrat.

You believe in the Declaration of Independence. This document states that certain rights are conferred by our Creator. So, you accept that the Creator exists and governs our lives. One way He does this is by making it clear to all humans what the objective standard is. The objective standard includes "rights." These rights include life. Life is not abstract is is concrete. Something is either alive or dead, there is no in- between.

Definition of objective - Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

And for godssake...abortion is but one concern facing America and the 2008 election. If we're going to vote one party over another on the basis of one issue, we are sorely lacking in our vision, that there are other things equally important, and some that may be much more important that the sole issue surrounding abortion and abortion rights. Get your heads out of the sand.
Self-righteous hypocrites.

Life is real, therefore rights are real?

What?

No, rights are abstract and subjective.

Now, if you put it that way, I don't believe the Declaration.

You want to put all that energy in saving the fetus, but once it arrives you wash your hands of the responsibility of that child's welfare...then it becomes that of the family, or the state. Yes, you saved the fetus...but what about it's healthcare, nutrition, education, safety, etc.....and you don't have an answer for that. All you have to do is look at the reality....children are being left behind, right and left, falling through the cracks...oh but you saved the fetus, from being aborted.
When the hell on Earth that some of these children have to endure, they would have been better "aborted"...and that's the god's honest truth.

You're sixteen years old....I'm not going to engage you...your post has, once again, proved my claim.....you don't know anything, and you haven't lived long enough to know you don't know anything. End of line