Bible Party of the USA

No, what "responsibilities" is a person meant to fulfill?

It depends on the person, the time, the place. Responsabilities are the rights of others so to say. Truth be told I simply dislike the concept of rights, I believe we don't have inherent material rights. They would eventually keep us from learning.

Nice opinion, Why?

What do you believe freedom as being?

Are you a person of faith?

The Church is the Body of Christ. Christians are adopted Children of (Jacob) Israel. They are adopted through acceptance of Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Christians, who keep their active faith in churches and separate from their government, choose to subject the Body of Christ to temporal rule. Mark 12: 17, ?Then Jesus told them, ?Give back to Caesar the things that are Caesar?s and to God the things that are God?s.? In this passage, Caesar refers to the civil power: a temporal ruler.

Why were the Children of Israel subject to a temporal rule? They asked for it. Taxes replaced tithes when the Children of Israel rejected God as their King. They traded a 10% tithe for a 30%-70%, and in some forms of government 100% tax. They asked for a human king. 1 Samuel 8:4 ? 8:22, ?So all the elders of Israel gathered together and went to Samuel at Ramah. They said to him, "Look, you are old, and your sons do not follow your example. Therefore, appoint a king to judge us the same as all the other nations have."

When they said, "Give us a king to judge us," Samuel considered their demand sinful, so he prayed to the LORD. But the LORD told him, "Listen to the people and everything they say to you. They have rejected you; they have rejected Me as their king. They are doing the same thing to you that they have done to Me, since the day I brought them out of Egypt until this day, abandoning Me and worshiping other gods. Listen to them, but you must solemnly warn them and tell them about the rights of the king who will rule over them."

Samuel told all the LORD's words to the people who were asking him for a king. He said, "These are the rights of the king who will rule over you: He can take your sons and put them to his use in his chariots, on his horses, or running in front of his chariots. He can appoint them for his use as commanders of thousands or commanders of fifties, to plow his ground or reap his harvest, or to make his weapons of war or the equipment for his chariots. He can take your daughters to become perfumers, cooks, and bakers. He can take your best fields, vineyards, and olive orchards and give them to his servants. He can take a tenth of your grain and your vineyards and give them to his officials and servants. He can take your male servants, your female servants, your best young men, and your donkeys and use them for his work. He can take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves can become his servants. When that day comes, you will cry out because of the king you've chosen for yourselves, but the LORD won't answer you on that day."

The people refused to listen to Samuel. "No!" they said. "We must have a king over us. Then we'll be like all the other nations: our king will judge us, go out before us, and fight our battles."

Samuel listened to all the people's words and then repeated them to the LORD. "Listen to them," the LORD told Samuel. "Appoint a king for them."?

Look at what has happened recently with the Supreme Court?s decisions. Government can now take land God gave you and give it to someone else for their use, not just for the use of the government. Look what has happened with our ability to acknowledge God and God?s Son, Jesus in our everyday life. It is under constant assault. If Bible and Torah believing Children of Israel continue to sit on the bench and watch this happen, we accept what the Jews accepted when they heard the warning from Samuel, ?The people refused to listen to Samuel. "No!" they said. "We must have a king over us. Then we'll be like all the other nations: our king will judge us, go out before us, and fight our battles."?

If that king takes the form of a President who may be unholy, a congress who are corrupt, and a federal and supreme court who are tyrannical, think about the result. We are seeing some of that result now. What we see is the medium sized snowball part-way down the hill, gathering speed and more snow to increase in size until it is unstoppable by mortal works.

The United States has a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. If God?s people stay out of the government and leave their government to pagans, they have only themselves to blame for the result. There is no religious test for representative participation in the US government. That is good because the government could change the test to what ever religion had gained the most power in the temporal plane. As Christians and Jews we have an obligation to obey God. To obey God, we must know God?s Word. We can verify if Children of Israel know God?s Word.

We are called to put that knowledge into action. James 1:22 ? 1:25, ?But be doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man looking at his own face in a mirror; for he looks at himself, goes away, and right away forgets what kind of man he was. But the one who looks intently into the perfect law of freedom and perseveres in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer who acts?this person will be blessed in what he does.?

If we can?t obey God because our government rules so, then we must become fully engaged, and place God?s children in government. One way to do that is to leave it to the present system of secular political parties. Think how that has worked in the USA to create conditions in which God?s Word can be obeyed. Every organization shapes its members to fit their corporate culture. Organizational design ensures members who reach the top of an organization conform to the values of the organization. If a political organization is based on secular ideals and embraces evil thoughts and practices then Children of Israel who enter those organizations with the intent of becoming leaders and changing those organizations are themselves changed by the time they become leaders of the organizations. This change is insidious, happening over time and being nearly unnoticeable to the person undergoing the change.

Another way to place God?s children in government is to establish a political party that is based on God?s Word and requires all its members to obey God?s Word. God?s Word is then the corporate culture of the party. It changes members of the party to conform to God?s Word. If they waiver through interaction with secular entities, the Bible party itself will reinforce God?s influence and negate the temporal influence. This may create the conditions in which society can be neutral or freindly to God's Word.

Well when you have a party that supports polices which Christians believe is mass murder, (abortion) it is hard for a religious people to vote for such a party. Also the believers in abortion are usually those who support that party, as a result, the party that does not believe in abortion has grow in numbers, while the party that supports abortion has not. Even with an unpopular Republican President, the Democratic party may still find it hard to come up with enought votes to elect a Democrat to the white house. There was a good article written about this not long ago, called, The Cradle will rock. President Bush was the first president to sign into law a ban on late term abortions. Christians will remember that, and they will know that the best chance they have for stopping abortion is with the Republican party. Most Democrats do not seem interested in stopping abortion. I believe time will show that not only have the Democrats supported polices that have led to the death of 60 million American children, I believe time will show Democrats, that those polices will also usher in the death of their own party.

The woman has no right to kill the fetus. It isn't hers to kill.

It's called adoption, and unless you can back up your claims that the mothers of such children were prevented from aborting them, they're not valid. And how about asking such children if they'd rather be dead?

You're sixteen years old....I'm not going to engage you...your post has, once again, proved my claim.....you don't know anything, and you haven't lived long enough to know you don't know anything. End of line

You people are liable to ad hominem, ain'cha?

You people are liable to ad hominem, ain'cha?

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. It is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem abusive, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or personally attacking an argument's proponent in an attempt to discredit that argument.


"You people"....don't know what that means. (Was that an "ad hominem" attack on your part, perhaps?) Do as I say, not as I do, huh?

It was not, in any shape, form or fashion, an "ad hominem" argument...my argument is no matter how skilled or bright a 16 year old child thinks he is...he is "ill-equipped" to coherently discuss topics of which he has limited knowledge and comprehension of.
I am an adult. And I don't know about you, but if my 16 year old son were to try to tell me anything about politics, religion, or matters of importance, I would take what he said with a grain of salt, given his inexperience, his ignorance, and his youth. Children don't know more than their parents, typically. A child of 16, certainly, doesn't know more than I.

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. It is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem abusive, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or personally attacking an argument's proponent in an attempt to discredit that argument.


"You people"....don't know what that means. (Was that an "ad hominem" attack on your part, perhaps?) Do as I say, not as I do, huh?

It was not, in any shape, form or fashion, an "ad hominem" argument...my argument is no matter how skilled or bright a 16 year old child thinks he is...he is "ill-equipped" to coherently discuss topics of which he has limited knowledge and comprehension of.
I am an adult. And I don't know about you, but if my 16 year old son were to try to tell me anything about politics, religion, or matters of importance, I would take what he said with a grain of salt, given his inexperience, his ignorance, and his youth. Children don't know more than their parents, typically. A child of 16, certainly, doesn't know more than I.

And another thing....
You know "talk" is cheap. Everybody wants to talk about how to make situations better, or what's best for everybody...but people are lacking on solutions.
My question is what have you done, on a personal level, to contribute back to society, other than "lip service"???
Your question to me would be , What have I done?
Well, having no personal disposable income or savings, at the time, I endeavored and researched a fundraiser, held at the Kilworth Manor, in mid-town Houston, in December 2002, entitled, "An Evening at the Manor", featuring performance of my poetry (from my book and other collected works), an in-house performance by the Houston band, Tru Sol, and performances by local artists and poets, including a silent auction (featuring a signed copy of The Cosby Show Retrospective, on DVD, contributed by the show's star, Phylicia Rashad)....all which raised in excess of $15,000 for Children with AIDS outreach program of the Houston AIDS Foundation.

I'm quite confident that is more than anyone else has done on this very board. So can you put your money where your mouth has been?

Calling a logical fallacy isn't ad hominem.

And yes, I know more than you.

Alot more than you.

Why does it matter?

What if I said I've contributed nothing to anyone else, ever?

I am so sick of anti-abortion folk. While I don't favor abortion, I believe it is of no one's concern except the woman in question and her maker. Get out of the business of judgement, and leave that to God...He don't need yours or my help.
And for godssake...abortion is but one concern facing America and the 2008 election. If we're going to vote one party over another on the basis of one issue, we are sorely lacking in our vision, that there are other things equally important, and some that may be much more important that the sole issue surrounding abortion and abortion rights. Get your heads out of the sand.
Self-righteous hypocrites.
You want to put all that energy in saving the fetus, but once it arrives you wash your hands of the responsibility of that child's welfare...then it becomes that of the family, or the state. Yes, you saved the fetus...but what about it's healthcare, nutrition, education, safety, etc.....and you don't have an answer for that. All you have to do is look at the reality....children are being left behind, right and left, falling through the cracks...oh but you saved the fetus, from being aborted.
When the hell on Earth that some of these children have to endure, they would have been better "aborted"...and that's the god's honest truth.