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Bible Party of the USA

 
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 05:54 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;22713 wrote:
That's what rights are. They get redefined all the time.

Now people have the "right" to enter any store they wish, regardless of the owner. Some UN boob said the eskimoes have a right to live an unchanging life in a constantly changing world (referring to global warming).

Some boobs say that women have a "right" to kill their baby.

Rights are subjective.

Freedom ain't.


Rights are not subjective. The fact that judges are corrupt and people usurp the meaning of a word to suit their corrupt and perverted ideas does not mean the original meaning has changed, only the usage.

My paternal grandmother, upon seeing my father wear a pink shirt to a family gathering in the mid 60s said, "My, that's a gay shirt." Then she thought better of it and said, "Oh, I guess that word doesn't mean what it used to." No, it did mean the same thing. Someone decided to corrupt its meaning.

Understand?
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 05:56 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;22718 wrote:
No... because generally, the owner of that fortress is the government.


No, in the first generation, the owner of that fortress is the biggest, baddest, most amoral, or evil person in the area.
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 05:57 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;22719 wrote:
They didn't teach me any of this.

They teach me socialist bull**** like "rights".


OK, I'll bite, where did you get your ideas?
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 05:57 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;22720 wrote:
Rights are not subjective. The fact that judges are corrupt and people usurp the meaning of a word to suit their corrupt and perverted ideas does not mean the original meaning has changed, only the usage.

My paternal grandmother, upon seeing my father wear a pink shirt to a family gathering in the mid 60s said, "My, that's a gay shirt." Then she thought better of it and said, "Oh, I guess that word doesn't mean what it used to." No, it did mean the same thing. Someone decided to corrupt its meaning.

Understand?


Rights are "something to which a person is entitled".

While you think people are entitled to certain things, a Muslim would think they're entitled to other things.

Understand?
One Man Clan
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 05:58 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;22721 wrote:
No, in the first generation, the owner of that fortress is the biggest, baddest, most amoral, or evil person in the area.


Yeah.

And the government.

Tell me, what's the difference between a government and a king like Charlamagne?

You can't. Charlamagne was the government.
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 05:59 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;22724 wrote:
Yeah.

And the government.

Tell me, what's the difference between a government and a king like Charlamagne?

You can't. Charlamagne was the government.


He was a man, not a government. That's why after his death, there was anarchy.
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 06:00 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;22722 wrote:
OK, I'll bite, where did you get your ideas?


Rational realism.

I think about stuff, alot, and come to my own conclusions.

Don't believe me? I'm a libertarian, but many "libertarians" would like to crucify me over my beliefs when it comes to things like "rights".
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 06:00 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;22723 wrote:
Rights are "something to which a person is entitled".

While you think people are entitled to certain things, a Muslim would think they're entitled to other things.

Understand?


Rights are given by God to all people, regardless of their religion or politics.
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 06:00 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;22725 wrote:
He was a man, not a government. That's why after his death, there was anarchy.


You've just proven my point. AFTER his death there was anarchy? That means he was the government preventing anarchy, and once he died, being the government, anarchy ensued.

You never answered my question.
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 06:01 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;22727 wrote:
Rights are given by God to all people, regardless of their religion or politics.


According to you.

And according to more leftist thinking, they're inherent to a person.

They. Are. Purely. Subjective. There is no definition that defines what the individual rights are.
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 06:03 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;22728 wrote:
You've just proven my point. AFTER his death there was anarchy? That means he was the government preventing anarchy, and once he died, being the government, anarchy ensued.

You never answered my question.


You are getting the idea of a government and lack of external aggression or civil war confused.

A government endures when a person leaves the government. A government has a life of its own. It is not dependent on one man or a group of men or women.

A government consists of more than one person.
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 06:03 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;22729 wrote:
According to you.

And according to more leftist thinking, they're inherent to a person.

They. Are. Purely. Subjective. There is no definition that defines what the individual rights are.


Do you believe in the Declaration of Independence?
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 06:20 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;22730 wrote:
You are getting the idea of a government and lack of external aggression or civil war confused.

A government endures when a person leaves the government. A government has a life of its own. It is not dependent on one man or a group of men or women.

A government consists of more than one person.


No, Louis the Pious of Aquitane succeeded him.

Anyways, even if true he wasn't any less of a government. Read the definition.

But I see the problem, you have an affinity for abstract thinking.
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 06:20 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;22731 wrote:
Do you believe in the Declaration of Independence?


Yes............
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 08:19 pm
@Volunteer,
Quote:
There is no definition that defines what the individual rights are.


There are no individual rights, only responsabilities.
One Man Clan
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 11:03 pm
@markx15,
markx15;22746 wrote:
There are no individual rights, only responsabilities.


Such as?
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Reply Fri 22 Jun, 2007 02:45 pm
@Volunteer,
Any person is responsible for their actions, and the consequences of their actions, if everyone embraces and fullfills their responsabilities(that which you may be called upon to answer for) then we won't need "rights".
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Reply Fri 22 Jun, 2007 04:19 pm
@One Man Clan,
Volunteer;22731 wrote:
Do you believe in the Declaration of Independence?


One Man Clan;22736 wrote:
Yes............


If so, then what are the unalienable things to which it alludes and why do you rail against God or the idea He conveyed those things on man?

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776.
THE UNANIMOUS DECLARATION of the thirteen united STATES OF AMERICA, WHEN in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.—We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2007 10:48 am
@markx15,
markx15;22995 wrote:
Any person is responsible for their actions, and the consequences of their actions, if everyone embraces and fullfills their responsabilities(that which you may be called upon to answer for) then we won't need "rights".


No, what "responsibilities" is a person meant to fulfill?
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2007 10:49 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;23006 wrote:
If so, then what are the unalienable things to which it alludes and why do you rail against God or the idea He conveyed those things on man?

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776.
THE UNANIMOUS DECLARATION of the thirteen united STATES OF AMERICA, WHEN in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


I agree with those "rights". Again, that doesn't make it any less of an abstract concept.
 

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