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Bible Party of the USA

 
 
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 08:15 am
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;15982 wrote:
Would you be right in a summation that what Extreme terrorists do is Evil? Maybe your trying to do a little bending as well? If you find what they do is Evil does that make you no better?


What they do is evil, imposing totalitarianism is alway evil, regardless if it's Muslim or Christian. It violates our ratified supreme doctrine of Gods will

"We hold these truth's to be self evident that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

There is no mention in there of "so long as it coincides with the Bible"

Republicans want control of the White house and both assemblies of congress, so do Democrats. I can only assume the same can be true of the BPOTUSA (because that's why political parties are formed). Should that happen then would write into law bill after bill based on what the Bible says, rather then the process currently used where people submit bills based on what they personally think is right.

That is the tyranny over the minds of men that Jefferson was so against.

so all Totalitarianism is wrong, doesn't matter what flavor it comes in.

Separate from political theory, yes, what extreme Islam does is wrong, and no thinking that doesn't make me as evil as they. That concept is simply ludicrous.
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 08:17 am
@Volunteer,
Let me ask you Drnaline

do you think Americans should have rights that go against the bible, ever?

here's the situation, you're the president. A special executive power gives you the right to outlaw abortion forever. Your cabinet takes a national poll and 60% of America says they want it left legal.

what would your choice be?
Volunteer
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 08:21 am
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15950 wrote:
and you never adressed this


FYI Retrans

Re: Bible Party of the USA

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Originally stated by Silverchild79
let me ask you something, why do you ignore every quote, document, known fact but which that supports your position

the truth is a puzzle where every piece fits


The truth is straight-forward. Lies are puzzles.
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 08:23 am
@Silverchild79,
Do you guys have jobs? I'm home sick with the crud, what's your excuse?
Volunteer
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 08:34 am
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15953 wrote:
What I said was that abortion is something that must be overturned in the classroom rather then the courts. With a lack of public opinion court precedents will merely be overturned by future courts.

What you purpose to do is impose your theology over an American population that wouldn't pass that as a national ballot measure. You seek Tyranny in the name of God, imposing your will above democracy. It is you who lack critical thinking in this manner. Abortion is a cultural issue far more then a legal one.


Negative. You are mixing thoughts and emotions (fear). Why are you afraid of people who honor God's Word holding office?

You seem to think the Charter is a platform. It isn't. It is a statement of belief. The belief list isn't even in final form yet. Each member of the party must acknowledge this set of beliefs as their own and pledge to be true to those beliefs when they exercise their representation in government bodies.

Those government bodies operate under the same restrictions now in place, with the same checks and balances. How, pray tell, is that tyranny?
Volunteer
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 08:38 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;15929 wrote:
Mil training? If a weapon has full auto and the operator is proficient, the operator can restrict firing to three or six round bursts as the need arises. This type of burst can be very accurate with sufficient practice. If more accurate aimed fire is required for a specific application, use the semi-auto selector and squeeze off the rounds as you acquire each target. If in a breaking contact or ambush situation, burst restricted fire can get you or your team killed. You need full auto.

Now, why would you need that capability in a civil society?


Silverchild, You brought up automatic weapons. Why would you need burst or full auto capability in a civil society??
Volunteer
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 08:40 am
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15958 wrote:
if I haven't then it isn't intentional, when someone asks questions of me I'm quick to answer if I notice them. He seems content to ask of me often but never answers mine


Never?? That's a lie.
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 08:45 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;15987 wrote:
Negative. You are mixing thoughts and emotions (fear). Why are you afraid of people who honor God's Word holding office?

You seem to think the Charter is a platform. It isn't. It is a statement of belief. The belief list isn't even in final form yet. Each member of the party must acknowledge this set of beliefs as their own and pledge to be true to those beliefs when they exercise their representation in government bodies.

Those government bodies operate under the same restrictions now in place, with the same checks and balances. How, pray tell, is that tyranny?


Let us assume a Fanatic Muslim is elected president. Would you be just as comfortable with the teaching of ALLAH deciding the next four years, or would you then Scream SEPERATION CHUCRH AND STATE?

Cannot debate a hypotetical? Well to those of us who are NOT christians, this hypothetical IS happening to us today.

(For the record I am not Muslim either)
Volunteer
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 08:50 am
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15922 wrote:
If not your church then your Religion


Not religion either. Call it a relationship and you'd have it nearly right.

If you have a relationship with someone and you care about that person, you honor that person by paying attention to their needs and adjusting your behavior according to that perception of their needs. Christians care about what Christ Jesus told us to care about. Jews care about what Yahweh told them to care about. If this doesn't happen then neither can legitimately call themselves Christians or Jews. They are spiritual adulterers. I didn't say this, the Bible does.
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 08:52 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;15990 wrote:
Silverchild, You brought up automatic weapons. Why would you need burst or full auto capability in a civil society??


because if you read the 2nd amendment it is about the right to bear arms and organize a militia. They learned that a nation is armed against itself has an honest government. And a militia armed against it's government with bolt action rifles isn't that threatening. There is nothing in the 2nd amendment that says "you may own only low output rifles and handguns"
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 08:52 am
@Volunteer,
oops that wasnt to me. My fault
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 08:54 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;15987 wrote:

You seem to think the Charter is a platform. It isn't. It is a statement of belief.


every political party is a platform, what your saying is equatable to "my car isn't a form of transportation"

To say any political party isn't a political platform is a deception. And tyranny always rises on the wings of such deceptions
Volunteer
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 09:03 am
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15922 wrote:
The Totalitarianism of your politics is apparent, you would bend the entire nation to the will of your view of God. Making you no different then the theologies we combat in the Middle East. That fact that you claim "my religion is the right one" changes nothing, Bin Laden would claim that as well.

Definition of tyranny - Merriam-Webster Online DictionaryDefinition of totalitarianism - Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 09:07 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;15998 wrote:

2 : the political concept that the citizen should be totally subject to an absolute state authority

Neither condition would operate with this party.


so the bible party would not place the bible above the will of Americans? Ever?
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 09:07 am
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15984 wrote:
Let me ask you Drnaline

do you think Americans should have rights that go against the bible, ever?

here's the situation, you're the president. A special executive power gives you the right to outlaw abortion forever. Your cabinet takes a vote and 60% of America says they want it left legal.

what would your choice be?


you should answer this too Vol
rugonnacry
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 09:10 am
@Volunteer,
Thank you for printing two entrys from the dictionary. But may I please have an answer to my question? (scroll up a little its the only other post by me)
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 09:25 am
@rugonnacry,
rugonnacry;15992 wrote:
Let us assume a Fanatic Muslim is elected president. Would you be just as comfortable with the teaching of ALLAH deciding the next four years, or would you then Scream SEPERATION CHUCRH AND STATE?

Cannot debate a hypotetical? Well to those of us who are NOT christians, this hypothetical IS happening to us today.

(For the record I am not Muslim either)


This is precisely why it is necessary to have a party like the Bible Party of the USA. Dems and Repubs are driven by the issue of the moment, they do not have core values all members must adhere to. They accept as members and candidates anyone who will pay the dues and who will cooperate with their issue of the moment or getting the person at the top of the heap into office.

No, I would not. I would not be comfortable with it, but I would not be screaming separation of church and state either. Again, you can't separate a person's personal belief system from the person. They bring it with them into office. With the Dems and Repubs, you get a surprise. With a member of the Bible Party you would have a general idea of what you will get before you elect them to office.

If the people are corrupt enough or scared enough to elect a Fanatic Muslim as President, then they deserve what they get. Christians and Jews would be treated as the Bible says. We are prepared. Read Daniel 3 and see what happened to Meshach, Shadrach, & Abednego.
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 09:28 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;16002 wrote:
This is precisely why it is necessary to have a party like the Bible Party of the USA. Dems and Repubs are driven by the issue of the moment, they do not have core values all members must adhere to. They accept as members and candidates anyone who will pay the dues and who will cooperate with their issue of the moment or getting the person at the top of the heap into office.


nothing could illustrate your opinion that "Christians enforcing God's law is the only way to run this country correctly" idea better

you are revealed sir
rugonnacry
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 09:29 am
@Silverchild79,
You can serperate a persons belief from the person when it comes to doing your Job.

I hate black people, but I cannot allow that hatred to run my daily activities at work or I would lose this company.

(Because someone will flame this immediately let me go ahead and say I DO NOT HATE black people ai am simply making a point with this comment)
Volunteer
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 09:31 am
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;16000 wrote:
you should answer this too Vol


The Bible says what man's rights are. The Constitution just restates protions of those rights. The reason you have the ability to discuss as you do without being thrown in jail, or worse, is that we don't live in a tyrannical society. Why, because it is founded on Judeo-Christian notions of freedom and equality.

The question that was asked is a hypothetical that is not based on reality as we know it today. The President does not have power to create a law or issue executive order that outlaws anything "forever." All actions and orders of the executive are subject to law suit and legal review. The other two branches of government do not magically disappear. Stick to the real world in your imaginations.
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