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Bible Party of the USA

 
 
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 03:25 pm
@Volunteer,
let me ask you something, why do you ignore every quote, document, known fact but which that supports your position

the truth is a puzzle where every piece fits
Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 03:38 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15910 wrote:
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I'm not a liberal, I'm a Moderate Republican, who supports the Iraq war, I even voted for Bush twice. Just because you have to look to your left to see me doesn't mean I'm liberal, you're not exactly standing on the dividing line...

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because he was against influence by religion is state affairs, he affirms this by his own words. I'm sorry if that isn't convenient to you and your cause but if he was here today he would oppose The Bible Party of the USA. If the founding fathers wanted that kind of government that's what they would have forged. But even John Adam's, a puritan, didn't want this. Even if both of them were very much Christian in their own lives.

It is not uncommon for men to seek the council of God in such difficult times, even if the task being done is not solely for religious reasons...


OK sorry for calling you a liberal. What's the difference between a moderate republican and a liberal?

He didn't reaffirm being against the influence of religion in state affairs. The quote I provided from Wiki shows he wanted God's influence and men who were influenced by God to participate.

Are you channelling for TJ? If not, how would you know what he'd want now?

It's a moot point. They aren't here. We are. I believe what I believe. You believe what you believe. What is written in the Constitution is what made it through the coordination process. What is written in the Bible is what is written. Neither can be changed from the original without people knowing the document has been changed. Each person must choose what they will follow. The purpose of the Bible Party of the USA is to place people who have knowledge of and faith in God's Word in government so they can provide a moderating influence against the evil and corruption being promoted by many currently in government from both parties.
Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 03:39 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15912 wrote:
let me ask you something, why do you ignore every quote, document, known fact but which that supports your position

the truth is a puzzle where every piece fits


The truth is straight-forward. Lies are puzzles.
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 03:50 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;15913 wrote:
OK sorry for calling you a liberal. What's the difference between a moderate republican and a liberal?


Well I support the war, even if we're there another 5 years, there's a start.

I am personally Pro-Life, but I do not think that it's up to me to push my ethics on others, even if Abortion is disgusting, so I'm Pro-Choice politically. If we really want to stop abortion it has to be done in the classroom, not the courtroom.

I'm anti gun control, I even think that assault rifles with burst capability should be legalized to persons over the age of 25 with clean records who can pass a certification.

I'm also super pro death penalty, I think even Texas isn't aggressive enough on this. And I don't believe felons need rehab, they need punishment for their crimes and then the option of rehab once there debt's paid.

I'm in favor of complete separation of Church and state, but that's all religion, not just Christianity. When Kansas put foot baths in their airport to accommodate Muslims it was me who posted the thread about how wrong it was. I'm not Anti-Religion, but faith is a personal matter and it should remain that way so that nobody feels like a second class citizen.

And lastly I'm pro stem cell research, as the current plan opposed by Bush would only use stem cells from aborted fetuses, and it could help people, it's simply making the best out of a bad situation.
Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 03:50 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15910 wrote:
I'm not a liberal, I'm a Moderate Republican, ..


If you quack like a duck, you just might be a duck. If it takes a close look to see if you are a duck, or not, then something is wrong.
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 03:50 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;15916 wrote:
If you quack like a duck, you just might be a duck. If it takes a close look to see if you are a duck, or not, then something is wrong.


well there's a radical viewpoint...
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 03:51 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15915 wrote:
Well I support the war, even if we're there another 5 years, there's a start.

I am personally Pro-Life, but I do not think that it's up to me to push my ethics on others, even if Abortion is disgusting, so I'm Pro-Choice politically. If we really want to stop abortion it has to be done in the classroom, not the courtroom.

I'm anti gun control, I even think that assault rifles with burst capability should be legalized to persons over the age of 25 with clean records who can pass a certification.

I'm also super pro death penalty, I think even Texas isn't aggressive enough on this. And I don't believe felons need rehab, they need punishment for their crimes and then the option of rehab once there debt's paid.

I'm in favor of complete separation of Church and state, but that's all religion, not just Christianity. When Kansas put foot baths in their airport to accommodate Muslims it was me who posted the thread about how wrong it was. I'm not Anti-Religion, but faith is a personal matter and it should remain that way so that nobody feels like a second class citizen.

And lastly I'm pro stem cell research, as the current plan opposed by Bush would only use stem cells from aborted fetuses, and it could help people, it's simply making the best out of a bad situation.


So, you've been sold enough on a wide range of issues to be confused and conflicted.
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 03:56 pm
@Volunteer,
no you've been brainwashed by your church enough to not accept anyone who disagrees with you. You have sacrificed your free thought to a herd mentality...

I have been sold nothing, I have considered both sides and I stand with my morals. My stances don't really appeal to any one party, I have Atheist Democrat friends who disagree with me as much as you do
Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 03:59 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15920 wrote:
no you've been brainwashed by your church enough to not accept anyone who disagrees with you.


What church?
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 04:08 pm
@Volunteer,
If not your church then your Religion

The Totalitarianism of your politics is apparent, you would bend the entire nation to the will of your view of God. Making you no different then the theologies we combat in the Middle East. That fact that you claim "my religion is the right one" changes nothing, Bin Laden would claim that as well.

The country and her politics are about people with differences of opinion finding the common ground and acting, it is not about the "I'm right, your evil" mentality that you display.
Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 04:09 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15915 wrote:
I am personally Pro-Life, but I do not think that it's up to me to push my ethics on others, even if Abortion is disgusting, so I'm Pro-Choice politically. If we really want to stop abortion it has to be done in the classroom, not the courtroom.


Are you a woman? If you don't want top force your views on others, how can you be Pro-life if you are not a woman? Doesn't your stance require you to be female to voice an opinion on abortion?

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I'm anti gun control, I even think that assault rifles with burst capability should be legalized to persons over the age of 25 with clean records who can pass a certification.


Why 25? Why only burst capability? Why not full auto?

Quote:
I'm in favor of complete separation of Church and state, but that's all religion, not just Christianity. When Kansas put foot baths in their airport to accommodate Muslims it was me who posted the thread about how wrong it was. I'm not Anti-Religion, but faith is a personal matter and it should remain that way so that nobody feels like a second class citizen.


So, you're in favor of "separation" just in case the Islamists are sucessful in subverting our society? News flash: If they are successful, a legal separation won't matter.

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And lastly I'm pro stem cell research, as the current plan opposed by Bush would only use stem cells from aborted fetuses, and it could help people, it's simply making the best out of a bad situation.


How does this square with your pro-life stance? Ever hear of mission-creep; camel's nose under the tent; give em an inch and they'll take a mile? Why do people really want embryonic stem cells? Could it be the same reason vampires want virgins; lack of disease in the victim so they don't run the chance of infection by disease agents contracted by adults?
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 04:20 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;15923 wrote:
Are you a woman? If you don't want top force your views on others, how can you be Pro-life if you are not a woman? Doesn't your stance require you to be female to voice an opinion on abortion?


I'm male, and if I was ever expecting and the mother wanted to terminate the child I would release her from all parental repsponisbility and pay for the bill in full if she would give birth. If she wanted to still abort I would lawyer up and put a cease and desist on her and sue for the rights of my unborn child.

But the fact remains that the majority of America favors abortion to be legal in a least some instances, and American law must reflect the will of the people. That's why I said that it must be done in the classrom, not the courtroom.
Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 04:22 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15922 wrote:
If not your church then your Religion

The Totalitarianism of your politics is apparent, you would bend the entire nation to the will of your view of God. Making you no different then the theologies we combat in the Middle East. That fact that you claim "my religion is the right one" changes nothing, Bin Laden would claim that as well.

The country and her politics are about people with differences of opinion finding the common ground and acting, it is not about the "I'm right, your evil" mentality that you display.


What is the definition of totalitarianism? What is its origin?

You misunderstand the purpose of the Bible Party. Its purpose is not to supplant the Constitution. Its purpose is to work within the framework of the Constitution.

You give this party a lot of credit. You imply it will be so popular that it will have a majority in both houses and the executive. Thanks!

At the same time, you imply the members of the party will be evil in their desires or actions. Why?

Read the Bible. There is good and there is evil. They are not near each other, they are not equivalent. There are not grey areas between good and evil in which something can be good and not evil. If something is good with a little evil thrown in, that means the good has been corrupted by evil and is no longer good.

I don't claim anything. The Bible Speaks. We can choose to listen or not. We can choose to honor God's Word or not.

The truth is, someone makes laws that we all must obey to avoid punishment under the law. I prefer that someone be someone who knows and honors God's Word rather than someone who is corrupt and chooses evil.

For someone who only sees the grey areas or who believes there is no good or evil, this is a hard concept to grasp. Keep trying, trying, trying; keep knocking, knocking, knocking.
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 04:22 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;15923 wrote:
Why 25? Why only burst capability? Why not full auto?


I would have said 21 a few weeks ago, but VT changed all that, that kind of destructive power needs a greater level of adult stability.

And from my military training I can tell you unequivically that fully auto is a waste of bullets
Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 04:24 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15924 wrote:
I'm male, and if I was ever expecting and the mother wanted to terminate the child I would release her from all parental repsponisbility and pay for the bill in full if she would give birth. If she wanted to still abort I would lawyer up and put a cease and desist on her and sue for the rights of my unborn child.


Like I said. You are willing to force your views on others.
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 04:26 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15924 wrote:
But the fact remains that the majority of America favors abortion to be legal in a least some instances, and American law must reflect the will of the people. That's why I said that it must be done in the classrom, not the courtroom.


Where are you getting your statistics?
Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 04:31 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15926 wrote:
And from my military training I can tell you unequivically that fully auto is a waste of bullets


Mil training? If a weapon has full auto and the operator is proficient, the operator can restrict firing to three or six round bursts as the need arises. This type of burst can be very accurate with sufficient practice. If more accurate aimed fire is required for a specific application, use the semi-auto selector and squeeze off the rounds as you acquire each target. If in a breaking contact or ambush situation, burst restricted fire can get you or your team killed. You need full auto.

Now, why would you need that capability in a civil society?
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 04:35 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;15929 wrote:
Mil training? If a weapon has full auto and the operator is proficient, the operator can restrict firing to three or six round bursts as the need arises. This type of burst can be very accurate with sufficient practice. If more accuirate aimed fire is required for a specific application, use the semi-auto selector and squueeze off the rounds as you acquire each target. If in a breaking contact or ambush situation, burst restricted fire can get you or your team killed. You need full auto.

Now, why would you need that capability in a civil society?


unfortunatly mordern small arms fire techniques agree with me, not you

the only reason to have fully auto would be to fire into a large groud of target, I would have to think what a 60-gun would have done at VT
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 04:39 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;15928 wrote:
Where are you getting your statistics?


I already posted this once

U.S. public opinion polls on abortion: Year 2005

all the major polls conducted in 2005, it was the most recent info I can find. While many Americans want certain restrictions placed on abortion (I for one am glad that partial birth was outlawed), the vast majority favor abortion to be kept legal for one reason or another.
Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 04:43 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15930 wrote:
unfortunatly mordern small arms fire techniques agree with me, not you

the only reason to have fully auto would be to fire into a large groud of target, I would have to think what a 60-gun would have done at VT


I'm not talking techniques from a book. I'm talking from experience. Modern small arms? Which ones? If you are US, your experience is with the M-16 or M-4. Are you talking about the prototypes companies are attempting to sell to our military now? If not, then stop trying to discredit my experience. If you are 27, then you have experience with the same weapons, or a subset of the same weapons, I do.
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