A Child's Abortion

It is a dogmatic stance that is killing thousands and your defence is going beyond my understanding.Not once have you condemned this popish demand.If you or Tom had just accepted this as a disgrace i might not appear so vehement.

I'm not defending anything -- in fact I personally will offer very little to defend the Catholic church and its activities in the world. I think their missionaries do as much harm as they do good, especially when their activities are solely devoted to proselytizing and not to infrastructure, education, and health. But to address your point, there are plenty of Catholic mission charities in countries that have national policies promoting contraception.

You should go back and read what I've written. How many times have I stated, in this very thread, that I stand with you in your disagreement with RC Church policy regarding contraception and abortion? I have not, nor has Aedes, defend RCC policy on abortion or contraception.

That vehemence of yours should have been in check in the first place. That anger is, while perfectly natural, counter-productive.

So what would make you angry? a million childrens lives?one childs unnecessary death fills me with rage.What do you think would change their dogmatic approach reason?

I never said I was not angry. Sheesh. Instead, I pointed out that when we take anger into our considerations of these issues we are less capable of seeing clearly. Anger and hate are blinding emotions, just like love is often a blinding emotion. In this instance, you have said that everything that emanates from the Roman Catholic Church is bigoted, and that mankind would be better off without the institution. The claim of universal Catholic bigotry has been proved false, and the notion that mankind would be better off without the institution has been, at least, shown to be myopic.

The real point miss Parker is those who oppose abortion are the very same ones who are also against protected sex.They dont care about the unborn child, its their zealot nature for dogmatic principles that they fight for.They would rather a child be born with a death warrant than accept that its parents should have safe sex.
I am against abortion on demand it must have its limits, it should be a secular decision not one dictated to by some priveleged fool living in medieval Rome.

And a very good point at that. A very dangerous folly is made in abiding by outdated doctrines.

What limits do you think abortions should have? I think it should definitely not occur in the third term of pregnancy, since there is a very high possibilty of the foetus being conscious. After all, the foetus does emerge from birth with a mighty cry.

Why do people have late abortions? I think one case would be where a school girl was raped by her brother or dad and was too scared to say soemthing and hid it for as long as she could until she was discovered by then she was well into the pregnancy and the baby was deformed too.

Well i beg to differ

Which is about all you can do when you fight facts.

Again, I stand with you in your opposition to a great many church policies, but to stereotype all Catholic efforts as bigoted is demonstrably false: something I have proved by evidencing Father Merton's efforts, and something Aedes demonstrated with that inspiring example of a Priest in the concentration camp.

Are you too angry to admit that gray area exists, or does some dogmatic affliction prevent you from comprehending these anecdotes?

Hey - more history to ignore. Great job!

You might want to check a history book and take note of the great changes made in dogmatic religion over time. Even in the RCC.

Considering that there have been secular Popes, the fact that the RCC's dogma has changed, at least in practice, should be obvious to anyone who cares to learn something.

Arguing from pure ignorance is ineffective, my friend.

No anger, just frustration. Go look up the Borgia Popes. You know, history and what not.

Again, secular Popes are not exactly Popes who act according to RCC dogma. For more recent, and positive examples, you might want to read a bit about the last Roman Bishop (Pope). Not that I expect you to care about the history; just on the off chance that you might investigate matters.