Young folk singer dead after attack by coyotes in Nova Scotia park

Will u agree that if your dog is fighting for his life and yours,
against a pack of coyotes, u owe it to him to support him with your own defensive firepower ?

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as long as he thinks he can go around having the right to shoot at anything he thinks is a danger for him.

I agree, saab.

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Use of force is justified when a person reasonably believes that it is necessary for the defense of oneself or another against the immediate use of unlawful force. However, a person must use no more force than appears reasonably necessary in the circumstances.

Force likely to cause death or great bodily harm is justified in self-defense only if a person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm.

Legal Definition of Self-Defense Defense, http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d030.htm (last visited Nov. 1, 2009) (emphasis added).

Okay, self defense applies only to shooting other people, not animals.

What concerns me about some of the posts here is that the posters' attitutes might carry over into the shooting-human-beings realm. And that's when the jury will decide if the person claiming self defense reasonably believed deadly force was necessary.

But at that point (the trial) it's too late; a human life has already been taken, or the human has been injured.

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Will u agree that if your dog is fighting for his life and yours,
against a pack of coyotes, u owe it to him to support him with your own defensive firepower ?

I would try to save my dogs from anything that proved a danger to them. If I had a weapon with me, I would use it to defend my dogs.

Heck, I've even defended my dogs against stray cats and other wildlife. But I didn't use a gun to do it. Of course, what I got for my troubles was a series of rabies shots when a stray cat bit me. No good deed goes unpunished, but I'm happy to say that except for some scratches and a few small bites, the dogs are fine, and I'm vaccinated against rabies. I am disappointed, though, that I didn't get a little medallion to wear around my neck like my dogs have.

But as I noted earlier, I don't carry weapons with me everywhere I go.

I take the weapon only when I'm going to a shooting range.

David reminds me of a lunatic on the streets of NYC.

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You also seem to forget that much of the world does not come under your precious 2nd amendment and could give a rats ass to it.

Richard, for all I care, every Canadian can follow in the footsteps of Ms. Taylor Mitchel. Go ahead: do the same thing. Feed yourselves, UNARMED, into the mouths of Canadian wildlife and come out the other end.

You always point out if s/he had had a gun this or that would not have happened.
That certainly sounds as if you think shooting at any time is ok.

This poor young woman was screaming for help. That did not scare these very accresive coyotes away.

Most other countries have also not had a civil war or a revolution so maybe your paranoia is justified.

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Yeah, u Canadians have always been too yellow-bellied to stand up against the English.

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David's skill, or lack of, with any weapon is a mute point to this thread. The thread is not about David even though he seems to be making it such.

A cow is a domestic animal. A rottweiller is a dog that still has the wild instinct inbred. You have not made any points on this one.

No. You are completely wrong about this and pretty much everything else in this thread. Rotties have been domestic since the Romans used used the for herding cattle. There is no wild instinct in the breed, merely poor trainers and those that train them to be mean.

And it's not a "moot" point.

Intrepid wrote:

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David,

Perhaps we could setup an experiment.

It woud be fun,
but we both know that it is not going to happen.
I re-iterate AGAIN that I am not a hunter. I do not wish to become a hunter.

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You arm yourself with the pistol of your choice
and we will put you in the woods with two 60 pound predatory coyotes.

1. I do not trust pistols; thay jam too much.
If any handgun, I 'd use my .44 magnum Ruger SuperBlackhawk revolver,
backed with my .44 special Taurus Model 445 revolver.


2. Even if I were willing, it is not likely that Canadian customs
woud let me into your country with a gun; (I suspect -- I don 't know that for a fact).
Maybe thay DO let in hunters.

I am not afraid of coyotes, but it is very likely that Canada
has more serious predators than them, e.g., cougars n bears.

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We will discuss the outcome and how you shot, maimed, killed,
scared off both coyotes over a beer afterwards.

Are you game? (no pun intented)

It kinda sounds like fun,
tho again, I have no wish to harm peaceful animals, including coyotes.
I woud not go there to avenge Taylor upon innocent coyotes
who had nothing to do with the offense.





David

You have just disputed every comment you have made in prior posts on this thread. You are not up to the suggestion and give lame excuses for this or that, but you expect a young inexperienced girl to carry a weapon and protect herself from 2 attacking coyotes.

You don't seem to remember things that you post and then make incoherent replies. At least, I no longer understand your reasoning.

Having read this thread I can only say one thing.

David reminds me of a lunatic on the streets of NYC.
He is always happy and willing to use a dead body as a soap box to climb up on and rant.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

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You also seem to forget that much of the world does not come under your precious 2nd amendment and could give a rats ass to it.

Richard, for all I care, every Canadian can follow in the footsteps of Ms. Taylor Mitchel. Go ahead: do the same thing. Feed yourselves, UNARMED, into the mouths of Canadian wildlife and come out the other end.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

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David,

Perhaps we could setup an experiment.

It woud be fun,
but we both know that it is not going to happen.
I re-iterate AGAIN that I am not a hunter. I do not wish to become a hunter.

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You arm yourself with the pistol of your choice
and we will put you in the woods with two 60 pound predatory coyotes.

1. I do not trust pistols; thay jam too much.
If any handgun, I 'd use my .44 magnum Ruger SuperBlackhawk revolver,
backed with my .44 special Taurus Model 445 revolver.


2. Even if I were willing, it is not likely that Canadian customs
woud let me into your country with a gun; (I suspect -- I don 't know that for a fact).
Maybe thay DO let in hunters.

I am not afraid of coyotes, but it is very likely that Canada
has more serious predators than them, e.g., cougars n bears.

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We will discuss the outcome and how you shot, maimed, killed,
scared off both coyotes over a beer afterwards.

Are you game? (no pun intented)

It kinda sounds like fun,
tho again, I have no wish to harm peaceful animals, including coyotes.
I woud not go there to avenge Taylor upon innocent coyotes
who had nothing to do with the offense.





David

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You have just disputed every comment you have made in prior posts on this thread.

I deny that, Richard.
Your allegation is a lot of nonsense.
I challenge u to show any such "disputed" comment.

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You are not up to the suggestion and give lame excuses for this
or that, but you expect a young inexperienced girl to carry a
weapon and protect herself from 2 attacking coyotes.

Equipping oneself properly is an OBVIOUS thing to do.
Failure to do so cost her life. I earnestly wish that had not happened,
and that she HAD been well equipped,
or had a well equipped bodyguard.

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You don't seem to remember things that you post and then make incoherent replies.

WHAT things ??

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At least, I no longer understand your reasoning.

U were never very good at understanding reasoning, Richard.

Ticomaya wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

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You also seem to forget that much of the world does not come under your precious 2nd amendment and could give a rats ass to it.

Richard, for all I care, every Canadian can follow in the footsteps of Ms. Taylor Mitchel. Go ahead: do the same thing. Feed yourselves, UNARMED, into the mouths of Canadian wildlife and come out the other end.

Isn't that nice. The two lawyers (David & Tico) are ok with every Canadian
being mauled and killed by coyotes. You are a credit to your profession and the human race.

dave, you make me wonder how it is that the native peoples managed to survive in this land.

prior to being exterminated by white guys with guns, I mean...