Young folk singer dead after attack by coyotes in Nova Scotia park

The best bet is to have a dog and a gun.

I've seen a pack of coyotes bring down a full grown doe, slightly larger than any dog I've ever seen.

Ceili wrote:

A dog would have warned her.

definitely a good chance of this.

Guns aren't particularly good early warning systems.

She was most probably wearing an iPod or the like.
Even if she'd had a gun, the element of surprise would have been greater.
A dog would have warned her.

I am just curious as to how this thread suddenly changed to a topic of guns and bears.

Intrepid wrote:

I am just curious as to how this thread suddenly changed to a topic of guns and bears.

The victim got killed because of being ill-equipped.
It behooves future victims to be better equipped.

Do u understand now ?





David

ehBeth wrote:

Ceili wrote:

A dog would have warned her.

definitely a good chance of this.

Guns aren't particularly good early warning systems.

Quote:

It could also have given her the opportunity to remove herself from the area of the coyotes.

I would rather have a good dog than a gun any day.

If your loyal dog is defending u from another animal, out of decency,
u shoud support him with your gun, not stand there idly.





David

if i live until tomorrow i will never understand your obsession with guns

It's why I hike with three 100-pound Kuvasz. Mine have killed several coyotes on my properties in Georgia and North Carolina, and while my oldest and now-deceased Aja was only 18 months old, she ripped out the throat of a big Rottweiler that attacked me in a park in Virginia. I'd have been dog food were it not for my Aja coming to my rescue. I wish the woman would have had a dog by her side. Likely, it would have saved her life.

So what's the deal with dog nuts? They act as if a dog is the solution to everything. Dog fetish, is what it is.

If I'm being attacked by an animal, everything else being equal, I would much rather have a loaded gun in my hand than a dog at my side.

Coyotes shy away from domestic dogs of equal or near equal size. Coyotes don't know if you are carrying a pistol before an attack, so carrying a weapon is not a deterrent to a coyote attack, only a defense while one occurs. They do recognize a predator and stay away from people with large dogs. That comes from personal experience in dealing with and tracking coyotes over the past three decades. Sensible people would rather avoid an attack by a wild animal than fought off one.

Your assertion that a dog would have prevented this attack is nothing more than conjecture on your part. More than likely since these coyotes were desperate enough to attack a human, they would have attacked the dog as well.

Coyotes don't know if you are carrying a pistol before an attack, so carrying a weapon is not a deterrent to a coyote attack, only a defense while one occurs.

Let's not blame the victim for this one.

I would rather have a good dog than a gun any day. Can't snuggle into a warm gun in the cold woods to keep you warm. You can with your dog.
. . . .

Coyotes and other animals are meant to live in the wild. It is man that invades their territory. It is because of man that animals now try to occupy ours.

The young lady was certainly not, in any way, to blame for her dilemma and I am appalled at the posts that try to portray her as such.

The coyotes coud not resist their built-in instinct
to chase fleeing prey, in whom thay sensed fear.

The best thing that she coud have done was to attack them.
Throw rocks if thay were best weapons she had; scare them away.

Thay 'd have fled an attacking human who dominates the situation.
It is not likely that she knew this.

This is the only post of yours that I have read, but I find that you bring an open and reasonable air to the thread, and probably, to the forum.

I don't know where you people are finding these sixty pound coyotes. That's a big, and I do mean big coyote. I don't know the record, but 45 pounds is pretty good sized.

Merry Andrew wrote:

I've seen a pack of coyotes bring down a full grown doe, slightly larger than any dog I've ever seen.

I 'm pretty sure that she was an UNARMED full grown doe.

If, Ticomayo, you had read Kuvasz’s first post, you would have seen that Kuvasz did have experience with dogs preventing coyote and Rottweiler attacks, both of which are pretty scary in my book.

First, I’m coming in on the “let’s-get-our-facts-right-please-read-the-whole-thread-before-you-comment" side.”

Kuvasz wrote:

[quote] It's why I hike with three 100-pound Kuvasz. Mine have killed several coyotes on my properties in Georgia and North Carolina, and while my oldest and now-deceased Aja was only 18 months old, she ripped out the throat of a big Rottweiler that attacked me in a park in Virginia. I'd have been dog food were it not for my Aja coming to my rescue. I wish the woman would have had a dog by her side. Likely, it would have saved her life.

So what's the deal with dog nuts? They act as if a dog is the solution to everything. Dog fetish, is what it is.

If I'm being attacked by an animal, everything else being equal, I would much rather have a loaded gun in my hand than a dog at my side.

Coyotes shy away from domestic dogs of equal or near equal size. Coyotes don't know if you are carrying a pistol before an attack, so carrying a weapon is not a deterrent to a coyote attack, only a defense while one occurs. They do recognize a predator and stay away from people with large dogs. That comes from personal experience in dealing with and tracking coyotes over the past three decades. Sensible people would rather avoid an attack by a wild animal than fought off one.

Your assertion that a dog would have prevented this attack is nothing more than conjecture on your part. More than likely since these coyotes were desperate enough to attack a human, they would have attacked the dog as well.

If, Ticomayo, you had read Kuvasz’s first post,
you would have seen that Kuvasz did have experience
with dogs preventing coyote and Rottweiler attacks,
both of which are pretty scary in my book.

Second, I’m coming in on the “I’d-rather-have-a-dog-than-a-gun-when-I’m-hiking-in-the- woods” side.

Coyotes don't know if you are carrying a pistol before an attack,
so carrying a weapon is not a deterrent to a coyote attack,
only a defense while one occurs.

Absolutely right, Kuvasz.
And (IM not-so HO) it's not particularly a good defense, at that.

I don't know about David or Ticomaya, but when faced with two
60-lb coyotes coming at me, I don't think I could get that gun out,
steady my hand, and take the two shots (one at each) that David
assumes would have killed the coyotes or warded off the attack.
And I qualified as "Sharpshooter" when I completed the police
academy's firearms training many years ago.

Let's not blame the victim for this one.

I would rather have a good dog than a gun any day. Can't snuggle into a warm gun in the cold woods to keep you warm. You can with your dog.
. . . .

Coyotes and other animals are meant to live in the wild. It is man that invades their territory. It is because of man that animals now try to occupy ours.

The young lady was certainly not, in any way, to blame for her dilemma and I am appalled at the posts that try to portray her as such.

And last, but not least, in the "let's-be-fair-to-OmSigDAVID" category:

The coyotes coud not resist their built-in instinct
to chase fleeing prey, in whom thay sensed fear.

The best thing that she coud have done was to attack them.
Throw rocks if thay were best weapons she had; scare them away.

Thay 'd have fled an attacking human who dominates the situation.
It is not likely that she knew this.

That's the most sensible suggestion I've read from David in this thread.
If the human shows no fear in the face of an attack by an animal,
and if the human acts as the aggressor instead, chances are the animals will flee.

A friend of mine once told me a story about how an aggressive,
snarling dog rushed at him one evening while he was walking in a quiet,
suburban neighborhood. He acted the aggressor, shouting,
waving his arms, and even growling and barking at the dog.
The dog turned tail and ran.

Yes, anecdotal evidence, but evidence nonetheless.

Always,
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