Young folk singer dead after attack by coyotes in Nova Scotia park

Ticomaya wrote:

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But actually, if you re-read the post you quoted, I don't see where he said he had experience with dogs preventing coyote attacks.

You're absolutely right, Ticomaya. I apologize. Kuvasz said that his dog saved him from a Rottweiler attack. The average weight of a male Rottweiler is 110 lbs. The average weight of the female is 92 lbs. Throw in that the Rottweiler is bred for strength, and you have an animal that is 1/3 again the size of the coyote (if it's a female). So even though Kuvasz's Aja dog only killed roaming coyotes, she did kill an attacking Rottweiler. If the dog can save a human from an attacking 92 or 110 lb dog, and if the dog can kill a 60 lb (or less) dog-like animal, the dog can kill an attacking 60 lb or less dog-like animal.

I still vote for the large dog for protection over something I need to control with shaking hands and ragged breath to protect myself.

I still vote for the large dog for protection over something I need to control with shaking hands and ragged breath to protect myself.

But he does not know how to handle a gun as long as he thinks he can go around having the right to shoot at anything he thinks is a danger for him.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

I am just curious as to how this thread suddenly changed to a topic of guns and bears.

The victim got killed because of being ill-equipped.
It behooves future victims to be better equipped.

Do u understand now ?





David

She did not get killed because of being ill-equpped.
She got killed because she was attacked by two out of control coyotes.
Even if she had one of your precious guns, it is not likely that she
would have been able to kill both animals and still lived.

Do U understand now?

Your comments are poorly reasoned, for several different reasons.

My comments were from hunters´advice how to behave when meeting a bear.
Guess they cannot be all wrong.

We have no coyotes in Sweden but wolfes.
No human being has been killed by wolfes in Sweden the last 100 years.
They as a rule attack the dogs of hunters.
Wolfes are shy by nature.
Still you have to be a good hunter to kill an attacking coyote or wolf or dog.

Yes I am against guns in hands of people like you.
But I am not against guns in the hands of people who really have
learned how to handle them, hunters, soldiers, and policemen.

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You seem not to consider that not everyone is of the same mindset as you when it comes to guns.

That is false; my position of freedom of self defense is a minority position in this forum.

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Your devotion to guns borders on the fanatical and I am of the
opinion that it is people that operate under the kind of neurosis
that you display are the most dangerous kind to have around.

That is a foolish opinion. It has no logical justification.
I am an old man who has never attacked anyone and always
stayed out of jail; no hint of trouble. Your allegations are illusionary.
Add to that the fact that u have not indicated what it is that u allegedly think
will happen that is allegedly so "dangerous".

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People have dogs that are unleashed to contend with every day in every city in every country.
I am sure that these same people do not carry a pistol to ward off Fido in the park.

Of course; what is your point ??

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People who are willing to educate themselves do not run into
unmanageable situations that require the use of a gun.

By YOUR reasoning, Julius Caesar (pre-gun), Abe Lincoln, the Kennedys and Taylor Mitchel
were all ignoramuses, because thay put themselves
into "unmanageable situations that require the use of a gun."

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You also wrongly assume that everybody who would have a gun
would be able to use it without shooting off their big toe or worse.

Its not any assumption: its like learning to swim
or learning to ride a bike: learn, practice and u will be able to shoot correctly.
Correct gunnery practices shoud be taught in all elementary schools, along with swimming.

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Animals display particular behaviours that are easy for the initiated to read and react to.

When the coyotes charged Taylor or when thay began to bite her, she shoud have shot them.
Even wounding one of them woud have been enuf.

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Several posters have already made mention of some of the ways to fend off animal attacks.
You dismiss them as being unreasonable because they do not include the use of a gun.

It appears that U are among those who are not willing
to educate themselves, in that u have not been willing to read this thread,
or
u 'd KNOW that I already said that if Taylor had no gun,
she shoud have thrown rocks at them. Instead of reading: u post this.

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You also seem to forget that much of the world does not come under
your precious 2nd amendment and could give a rats ass to it.

Richard, for all I care, every Canadian can
follow in the footsteps of Ms. Taylor Mitchel.
Go ahead: do the same thing.
Feed yourselves, UNARMED,
into the mouths of Canadian wildlife and come out the other end.

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Then again, much of the world gets by just fine without such nonsense.

Yeah, like Taylor, the folksinger, right ??

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Most other countries have also not had a civil war or a revolution so maybe your paranoia is justified.

Yeah, u Canadians have always been too yellow-bellied to stand up against the English.

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Most of the examples of cars etc. etc. that you just gave are
obviously your attempt to reach for some logic. If that is the
case, you have fallen short.

I confess that I overestimated your ability to understand logic.

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Using your kind of logic.... I put to you that perhaps you should carry a gun when swimming
in the event that a shark, manta ray, jelly fish or other dangerous
creature of the deep should attempt to do you harm and take
away a leg or other appendage if it does not kill you.

Again, as I have already posted,
u need the right tool for the job.
I thought u coud understand that; maybe I was mistaken.

I apologize, if I have expected too much of u, Richard.





David

David's skill, or lack of, with any weapon is a mute point to this thread. The thread is not about David even though he seems to be making it such.

A cow is a domestic animal. A rottweiller is a dog that still has the wild instinct inbred. You have not made any points on this one.

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David,

Perhaps we could setup an experiment.

It woud be fun,
but we both know that it is not going to happen.
I re-iterate AGAIN that I am not a hunter. I do not wish to become a hunter.

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You arm yourself with the pistol of your choice
and we will put you in the woods with two 60 pound predatory coyotes.

1. I do not trust pistols; thay jam too much.
If any handgun, I 'd use my .44 magnum Ruger SuperBlackhawk revolver,
backed with my .44 special Taurus Model 445 revolver.


2. Even if I were willing, it is not likely that Canadian customs
woud let me into your country with a gun; (I suspect -- I don 't know that for a fact).
Maybe thay DO let in hunters.

I am not afraid of coyotes, but it is very likely that Canada
has more serious predators than them, e.g., cougars n bears.

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We will discuss the outcome and how you shot, maimed, killed,
scared off both coyotes over a beer afterwards.

Are you game? (no pun intented)

It kinda sounds like fun,
tho again, I have no wish to harm peaceful animals, including coyotes.
I woud not go there to avenge Taylor upon innocent coyotes
who had nothing to do with the offense.





David

trick or treat...

don't you fella's have some candy to hand out or something?




(i'm a moose, btw, if you was wondering...)

Last I checked, most rottweiler are domestic animals, not wild animals like coyotes.

as long as he thinks he can go around having the right to shoot at anything he thinks is a danger for him.

Use of force is justified when a person reasonably believes that it is necessary for the defense of oneself or another against the immediate use of unlawful force. However, a person must use no more force than appears reasonably necessary in the circumstances.

Force likely to cause death or great bodily harm is justified in self-defense only if a person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm.

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Last I checked, most rottweiler are domestic animals,
not wild animals like coyotes.

Rottweilers can be extremely aggressive, depending on their
breeding and training. And coyotes can avoid human contact.

The point of my whole post trying to make sense of the other
posts was this: many of us are not the "you'll-get-my-gun-when-
you-pry-it-out-of-my-cold-dead-fingers" types. We don't strap our
weapons (yes, I own a .22 pistol and enjoy target shooting) to our
hips upon waking. We don't take the weapon with us everywhere we go.
And many of us don't have the arsenal that some have.

And even if I did take my weapon and my dogs into the woods with me,
I would rely on the dog to scare off the predatory coyote before
I would rely on my own adrenalin-fueled reactions. With my luck,
I'd miss the coyotes, the bullets would ricochet, and they'd hit my dogs.

(i'm a moose, btw, if you was wondering...)