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Young folk singer dead after attack by coyotes in Nova Scotia park

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 02:33 am
@Intrepid,
Intrepid wrote:


So after u & your brother ran to your car,
what happened with the bears ?
Did thay approach your car?


Quote:
Yes they approached. One was clawing at the window and the other
climbed on the hood. We had a lot of noise and posturing and they
soon left to enjoy their dinner of whatever they found later.

Was either of u apprehensive that the bears woud penetrate your defensive position?

Did either of u express any desire to possess a gun
in those circumstances ?




Quote:

This was in a Provincial Park. BTW....no guns are allowed in Provincial Parks. Wink
If I may know your opinion on this point,
will u indicate whether u believe that it is nicer to obay that no-gun rule
of the Provincial Parks,
or
to get torn apart by bears, while u live and watch them do it ?
How do u see the relative merits of those options ?





David
Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 02:47 am
@OmSigDAVID,
No... we did not express or harbour any desire for having a gun.

No.. we were not afraid that the bears would penetrate the sanctity and safety of the car. It was a 1959 blue Ford with stick shift, if I recall correctly.

We ventured into their territory knowing that bears could be in the area. Why should we have guns because of our own stupidity.

Like I said before. You should try to ease up on your paranoia in these situations. You must live a very fearful life if you think that a gun is the only answer to uncomfortable situations.

In the case of Taylor Mitchell, it appears that she was taken unawares and would not have had a chance for survival regardless of what she may have been carrying. The same thing could happen with unleashed dogs that have an agression problem. She was not attacked by bears, but by coyotes.

I will not be taking up space on this thread with any further banter with you since it is only rhetoric and is not useful for anything but your enjoyment.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 02:55 am
@Intrepid,
Intrepid wrote:

No... we did not express or harbour any desire for having a gun.

No.. we were not afraid that the bears would penetrate the sanctity and safety of the car. It was a 1959 blue Ford with stick shift, if I recall correctly.

We ventured into their territory knowing that bears could be in the area. Why should we have guns because of our own stupidity.

Like I said before. You should try to ease up on your paranoia in these situations. You must live a very fearful life if you think that a gun is the only answer to uncomfortable situations.

In the case of Taylor Mitchell, it appears that she was taken unawares and would not have had a chance for survival regardless of what she may have been carrying. The same thing could happen with unleashed dogs that have an agression problem. She was not attacked by bears, but by coyotes.

I will not be taking up space on this thread with any further banter with you since it is only rhetoric and is not useful for anything but your enjoyment.
Jee wizz, Richard: I thought that this forum was for our ENJOYMENT.





David
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 02:57 am
Just one last general comment regarding coyote attacks in North America.

There are only two recorded fatalities in North America from coyote attacks.

In 1981 in Glendale, California, a coyote attacked toddler Kelly Keen, who was rescued by her father, but died in surgery due to blood loss and a broken neck.

In October 2009, Taylor Mitchell, a 19-year-old folk singer on tour, died from injuries sustained in an attack by a pair of coyotes while hiking in the Skyline Trail of the Cape Breton Highlands National Park in Nova Scotia, Canada


Does any sane and reasonable person actually think that hikers should carry guns in the event of a coyote attack?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 03:50 am
@Intrepid,
Intrepid wrote:

Just one last general comment regarding coyote attacks in North America.

There are only two recorded fatalities in North America from coyote attacks.

In 1981 in Glendale, California, a coyote attacked toddler Kelly Keen,
who was rescued by her father, but died in surgery due to blood loss and a broken neck.

In October 2009, Taylor Mitchell, a 19-year-old folk singer on tour, died from injuries sustained
in an attack by a pair of coyotes while hiking in the Skyline Trail of the Cape Breton Highlands
National Park in Nova Scotia, Canada


Does any sane and reasonable person actually think that hikers
should carry guns in the event of a coyote attack?
O, yes, indeed; I strongly suspect that Taylor Mitchell did
within the last few moments of her life
. I don 't believe
that being chewed to death and exsanguinated was OK with her.
(Guns are also good against other predators.)

I 'd be surprized that if she had survived and if she chose
to continue hiking (which I have never recommended)
that she 'd continue to go out unarmed
or
if she had a sister who also liked to hike,
it woud seem unlikely that she'd go out unarmed, knowing what happened.

Logically, we probably shoud add that (most likely) this wild terrain is also
the hunting domain of more serious predators of North America, e.g. cougars n bears.
It pays to be prepared.

I must say that altho u might be correct that Taylor never knew what hit her,
that seems unlikely. Getting attacked by predatory animals usually is not like
unexpectedly getting hit by lightning.

It is more likely that Taylor saw the animals at some distance from her,
that she became alarmed, that she turned her back (as u did qua the bears)
and ran away, imitating the behavior of prey,
thereby reflexively activating their predatory instinct
which overcame their natural fear of humans, because she showed fear.

If indeed she did see them some distance away,
then it woud have been easy to get her gun out and engage them; thay 'd have fled.
Even while thay were actively biting her, she very well might have gotten her gun out and opened up on them,
except for the fact that SHE WAS UNARMED.

Its like u can 't pull over and park at the side of the road to stop and get health insurance,
when u are in an ambulance on your way to the hospital with a heart attack.


Guns are health insurance.

Sometimes I have wondered as to the reason that
I have been so obsessively interested in self defense and the means thereof.
People have asked.

I can 't help but wonder whether, in an earlier incarnation,
I was in a position similar to that of Taylor Mitchell.





David
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 10:31 am
@Intrepid,
Intrepid wrote:
Why should we have guns because of our own stupidity.

Isn't that the usual reason to have guns?
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 10:37 am
@joefromchicago,
I don't know that it is stupidity, Joe.

I've found most gun folks to be much like folks that drive Corvette's or BMWs.

It is compensating for a shortcoming inside of them.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 08:08 pm
@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Why should we have guns because of our own stupidity.

joefromchicago wrote:
Quote:
Isn't that the usual reason to have guns?

Does that mean that in an emergency, it is better to be helpless than to have control ?

Therefore, an intelligent person yearns for vulnerability ?

An intelligent person will choose to live or die in the discretion of a predator ?





David
NickFun
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 08:37 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Two coyote attacks does not mean that we have to be standing ready with guns drawn. You're more likely to fall down a cliff or be bitten by a rabid chipmunk.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 08:59 pm
@NickFun,
NickFun wrote:

Two coyote attacks does not mean that we have to be standing ready with guns drawn.
You're more likely to fall down a cliff or be bitten by a rabid chipmunk.
I don 't have my guns drawn all the time either; that 's not necessary,
but when it BECAME necessary for me (very unexpectedly), years ago,
simply drawing my gun was enuf for the guys who shot at me
to scream and drive away, apace.

That is better than having no means with which to control the emergency.

Violent criminals want HELPLESS prey.

No one is going to MAKE U carry a spare tire or a jack
in your trunk, but if u get a flat tire, u 'd better have them available.

The same applies to defensive guns.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 09:01 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:

I don't know that it is stupidity, Joe.

I've found most gun folks to be much like folks that drive Corvette's or BMWs.

It is compensating for a shortcoming inside of them.
WHAT shortcoming ?
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Eorl
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 12:56 am
<OmSigDavid turns slowly around, his murderous gaze cold, clear and hard as the summer... but the bar is suddenly deserted, with just a glimpse of a departing boot under the saloon door...and a beer glass still slowly turning on it's side, it's contents pooling on the dusty floor like a promise of violence....>
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vinsan
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 06:34 am
@djjd62,
Feeling sad for the girl!

In Mumbai, stray dogs, not coyotes, kill people esp. kids and old people sleeping out in the open.

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