Young folk singer dead after attack by coyotes in Nova Scotia park

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Merry Andrew wrote:

I've seen a pack of coyotes bring down a full grown doe, slightly larger than any dog I've ever seen.

I 'm pretty sure that she was an UNARMED full grown doe.

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Far as I know, David, she wasn't packin'. But she was trying to sprint across an ice-covered pond, slippery as hell, which enabled the pack of coyotes to catch up with her because her hooves went skidding around on the ice. My point is that a cooperative band of the canine beasts can bring down some fair sized critters, ergo a dog is not immune to an attack.

True.

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Now, most civilian handguns have magazine capacities of no more than eight or nine rounds, only six with most wheel-guns. Packs of coyotes usually attack in far greater numbers; there's strength in numbers. Moral: never go walking in the woods alone, with or without a firearm.

Indeed, it is dangerous to go alone.
I saw a horrible, poignant account of 2 pretty, young girls who went hiking together in Alaska.
Thay rejected an offer of guns, and went out hiking, the 2 of them.
Soon thereafter, one of them had to jump off a cliff, after she had been mauled,
to avoid the lethal rage of a polar bear, who killed her companion in front of her eyes.
With Cartesian certainty,
I have to believe that each of these girls
wished that she coud defend herself more successfully in that situation, as the bear's attacks went on,
and on, and on, according to the cliff jumper, who survived her wounds.


I sincerely wish that thay had been better prepared to handle the situation.
Better yet, that thay shoud hike somewhere that is safe.

As to animal group behavior: I have never heard of a case
wherein any pack of wolves nor coyotes continue to hang around
after a human opens up on them with any kind of decent firepower
and thay see and smell their friends' blood on the snow accompanied by
howls of pain and conspicuous injuries.

Human predators' behavior is similar, in that respect.
Thay hear the call of the open road, pretty fast.





David

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Do you really think a gun would have helped?

I am confident that it woud have.
Even just the look on the human 's face while aiming it
woud probably startle him; (that works with humans too; I have kinda done that, sort of).
Thay know counteraggression when thay see it.

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For an animal that size you would kill it on the first shot,
something unlikely even if you're an expert marksman.

Respectfully, I must disagree.
In my opinion, even putting a round into the dirt in front of him,
the report and the shock of getting dirt hitting him from below
woud startle him and activate his flight reaction
which is prominent concerning humans (those who are not running away) anyway.

For a hiker going into the woods, I 'd recommend a .44 magnum revolver
unless he or she wishes to carry a shoulder weapon,
because we hear of this sort of thing with cougars, bears, wolves,
but if confronted with this situation, I 'm pretty sure that even
slightly clipping him on his nose or jaw with a tiny little .22 round woud
very likely cause him to flee. Unless he is rabid, I don t think killing him woud be necessary,
because it is in their NATURE to run away in the face of human aggression.

To state the obvious:
if u actually DO put a .44 round into a coyote, that 's the end of that.
Regardless of hitting any vital organ,
there 'd be a tremendous catastrophic SHOCK that woud end his attack.
The others woud take the hint.

As to the need of being "an expert marksman"
remember that the coyote 's teeth are completely harmless
unless he closes the distance between him and u to zero feet & zero inches.
In other words: it shoud not be a difficult shot.
Taylor perished from bite wounds; she coud have put the muzzle in his ear b4 she popped him.
Even a knife woud have helped. Defensive attitude, morale -- counts for a lot.

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Otherwise you're just going to piss it off even further.

See above.
That might count with bears, not coyotes.





David

How can a non hunter be able to shoot the perfect heart/lung shot???

Guns are defensive emergency equipment; it behooves their possesser to keep them reasonably within reach, the same as a fire extinguisher.

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How much do you really know about hunting?

I am not a hunter; (not a hiker, either: I take taxi cabs)
I like animals, and have no wish to harm them,
unless that be necessary on a defensive basis.

If others wish to hunt them to reduce excess population,
I will leave that to them. The animals are safe from me,
except in that I am rather carnivorous.
I seldom or never give hunting advice.
I comment on successfully coping with
the predatory violence of man or beast.

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A bear which is shot at comes at you very very fast.

U 've gotta do what u 've gotta do if u wish to survive.
Most of the time, I choose to remain away from feral bears.
I re-iterate: I am not a hunter; I have no wish to be a hunter.

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Most bears are shot at a distance where they still can reach
the hunter even at a perfect heart/lung shot, if they get the idea
and has an idea where the hunter is.
Stand still and be quiet.

U address a predatory emergency
when u r confronted with one that is not of your choice,
like peaceful innocent hikers getting attacked by cougars, bears,
coyotes (very rare, I think) or wolves (also rare).

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How can a non hunter be able to shoot the perfect heart/lung shot???

A non-hunter, Taylor, the decedent,
was innocently minding her own business when she was attacked
and killed by coyotes. She perished from their bites; from this,
we know that thay were at zero distance from her. She coud have
put the muzzle of her revolver in his mouth or his ear,
if she had one; not a difficult target.

I desire that victims of predatory violence
successfully control that event, such that thay survive it.
Accordingly, thay shoud be sufficiently well armed
to bring that about. For the woods, I suggest a heavy bore
shoulder weapon, or minimally a .44 magnum revolver
with full magnum loads (not .44 special).
For that purpose, I 'd choose my .44 magnum Ruger SuperBlackhawk.





David

Saab wrote:

How can a non hunter be able to shoot the perfect heart/lung shot???

By being ten years old, according to David..

Very sad. It's one of those things you know in the back of your mind it can happen,
but it seems so far off and rare that it is still so surprising when it does.

Not a nice way to die.

OmSigDavid wrote:

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Guns are defensive emergency equipment;
it behooves their possesser to keep them reasonably within reach,
the same as a fire extinguisher.

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I suppose if one is to (according to David) walk around at all times
with a gun in their possession, then one should also walk around
with a fire extinguisher attached to their person in case of fire.

Its YOUR life, not mine.
If the fauna of Canada go to nibbling & munching on U,
I will not feel the pain. U r the captain of the good ship Richard, not me.
U will make your own decisions and live with the results.





David

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You have to know the bodylanguage of a bear to know if it is going to attack or not.

That is false, because I do not approach feral bears.
How many times must I say that I am neither a hunter nor a hiker ????
This thread has nothing to do with bears; it has to do with coyotes.

U insist on going on and on about BEARS.

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A bear on two legs is not attacking.
A provoced bear might attack but as a rule it is feigned attack.

I don 't give a damn. Its none of my business.
This thread is based on a death from coyotes, not bears.

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If it attacks you can if neccesary shoot an empty menace.
A weapon in your hand often gives a falce feeling of safety.

So, according to u, its best to show FEAR to animals,
instead of "a falce feeling of safety" as u choose to put it ??
Maybe u think its best to turn your back and run from a quadrupedal predator ?
That is suicide.

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If you want to stop an attacking bear you have to hit its brain,
which is not much bigger than a tennisball.

So, according to u, it does not matter what u shoot him with ??
I think it matters.

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Try to hit a tennisball moving with 45 kilometres an hour.

I 'll leave that to u.

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If you don´t hit the brain right away the situation will be
much worse for both you and the bear.

I can 't take your advice seriously; you are a fool.

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All your advices are wrong and really shows that you really don´t
know anything about weapons expect that they give you a false
feeling of safety and in your hands they are very very dangerous.

Your comments are poorly reasoned, for several different reasons. I remember u from some years ago.
Your hostility to possession of defensive guns prejudices you.
I can 't respect you.





David

But actually, if you re-read the post you quoted, I don't see where he said he had experience with dogs preventing coyote attacks.

Do you really think a gun would have helped?

Yes I am against guns in hands of people like you.
But I am not against guns in the hands of people who really have learned how to handle them, hunters, soldiers, and policemen.