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The Jews.

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 3 Aug, 2006 09:45 am
Gee, Friedman sounds like a Jewish name. I wonder why?
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Brandon9000
 
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Thu 3 Aug, 2006 12:10 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Gee, Friedman sounds like a Jewish name. I wonder why?

Congratulations. By referring to an article as suspect because the author has a Jewish name, you have qualified as a true anti-semite.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 3 Aug, 2006 12:41 pm
Brandon, Everybody that doesn't agree with anarchists are anti-Semites - according to your logic. I've been pushing a book written by a Jew, Susan Nathan, so that must also make me a anti-Semite. Your logic is lacking big time.
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McTag
 
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Thu 3 Aug, 2006 12:43 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Gee, Friedman sounds like a Jewish name. I wonder why?

Congratulations. By referring to an article as suspect because the author has a Jewish name, you have qualified as a true anti-semite.


Brandon, I think you turned that around too quick. The meaning of the remark is, the name sounds Jewich, so the author is probably pro-Israel. In other words, a bias is suspected.
It has nothing to do with anti-semitism. This tactic is very threadbare.
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Brandon9000
 
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Thu 3 Aug, 2006 12:44 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Brandon, Everybody that doesn't agree with anarchists are anti-Semites - according to your logic. I've been pushing a book written by a Jew, Susan Nathan, so that must also make me a anti-Semite. Your logic is lacking big time.

I didn't call you an anti-semite based on your agreement or disagreement with anarchists. I called you an anti-semite because you stated that an article was suspect because the author is a Jew. This is prototypical of anti-semitism and racism.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 3 Aug, 2006 12:45 pm
Brandon, Are you a Jew?
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Brandon9000
 
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Thu 3 Aug, 2006 12:47 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Brandon, Are you a Jew?

Hey, everybody, look at the anti-semite.

You have now descended to a level at which I think I'll just leave you to your fate.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 3 Aug, 2006 12:51 pm
Jews jump to "anti-Semite" from anybody that disagrees with the Jewish state of Israel that practices discrimination. Israel is a apartheid state that allows no legal or property rights to Palestinians.

Anybody that supports Israel as a "democracy" doesn't have any idea what democracy is about or its practice.

Anybody that refuses to acknowledge Israel as a democratic state is an anti-Semite. I belong in that group.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 3 Aug, 2006 12:53 pm
What's the matter Brandon? Afraid to declare who you are? Asking if you're a Jew is supposed to mean what exactly? You're offended?
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McTag
 
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Thu 3 Aug, 2006 04:13 pm
McTag wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Gee, Friedman sounds like a Jewish name. I wonder why?

Congratulations. By referring to an article as suspect because the author has a Jewish name, you have qualified as a true anti-semite.


Brandon, I think you turned that around too quick. The meaning of the remark is, the name sounds Jewish, so the author is probably pro-Israel. In other words, a bias is suspected.
It has nothing to do with anti-semitism. This tactic is very threadbare.


Well, c.i., Brandon seems to have gone off in the huff, after firing the traditional "anti-semitism" broadside.
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BernardR
 
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Thu 3 Aug, 2006 04:42 pm
I assure you that Mr. Cicerone Imposter is not An Anti-Semite. I believe that he has referred to himself as Japanese-American. I may be wrong and can be corrected if I am. He has also told us about his brother, I believe, who ran for high office in California. Mr. Imposter is apparently very proud of him and he should be. But, I do believe that Mr.Imposter's brother ran on the Democratic ticket.

That would account for the reflexive knee jerk reaction exhibited by Mr. Imposter. I would never expect him to say anything positive about the right wing.

That is fine. But, Mr.Imposter should really not descend to such comments concerning the name Friedman.

If, I were to say--Well, he is just backing Jesse Jackson because his name is Roosevelt Williams, I would be castigated for ( GASP) --Racism.

But the left wing, who thinks they hold the moral high ground( abandoned by Bill ( the fastest zipper in the West) nearly a decade ago, do not know that they are losers.

In 1994

In 1998

In 2000

In 2002

and in 2004.

Therefore they must strike out---I am sure, however, that Mr. Imposter would not want Mr. Friedman to wear a Yellow Star sewn on his coat!!
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BernardR
 
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Thu 3 Aug, 2006 04:48 pm
I wonder if Mr.Imposter would react similarly if someone like Senator Edwards were to run for President in 2008 And an obvious Southener wrote a column touting him.

Would he say---

Bennie Thompson- A Southener --wow!!


But I do hope that Mr. Imposter is well read concering Jews. If he is, he may be able to understand that just being named Friedman does not mean a person is l. A practicing Jew 2. Has a Jewish mother, which is the sine qua non for being considered to be a Jew or 3. Not a Christian--There are people named Friedman( not many) who are Christians.


I am very much afraid, that Mr. Imposter, as usual, shot from the hip.
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freedom4free
 
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Thu 3 Aug, 2006 04:55 pm
Brandon9000

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Congratulations. By referring to an article as suspect because the author has a Jewish name, you have qualified as a true anti-semite.



This woman is not a Jew. According to Brandons logic, this woman is Anti-Semitic.

Why ?

http://www.pinocchia.com/bnguy/natural/natural11/79083.jpg
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 3 Aug, 2006 05:00 pm
I have met a Jew who is a practicing buddhist. Gee, what a surprise.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Thu 3 Aug, 2006 10:56 pm
freedom4free wrote:
This woman is not a Jew. According to Brandons logic, this woman is Anti-Semitic.



F2F you are, without a doubt a Jew-hater. You can fool around with quotes and images, but anyone who has been following your posts knows that you are anti-Semitic.

Not everyone who criticizes Israel is an anti-semite, but you, most certainly, are.

Let's stipulate that F2F has nothing but contempt for murderous Israelis.

Can we now convince you to stiop littering these threads with your bigoted opinions?
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BernardR
 
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Mon 7 Aug, 2006 02:56 am
People just can't make snap judgments based on a name or the way it is spelled.
I do hope that Mr. Imposter is well read concering Jews. If he is, he may be able to understand that just being named Friedman does not mean a person is l. A practicing Jew 2. Has a Jewish mother, which is the sine qua non for being considered to be a Jew or 3. Not a Christian--There are people named Friedman( not many) who are Christians.


I am very much afraid, that Mr. Imposter, as usual, shot from the hip.
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nimh
 
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Wed 28 Mar, 2007 06:52 pm
In the colourful and heartening report below, I found the following anecdote about the skinhead couple especially funny / moving / telling:

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Today, Schudrich jokes that he oversees "one of the most vibrant, dysfunctional communities in Europe." He ticks off stories about Poles who discovered only by accident that their mothers or grandparents were Jewish, of fearful parents who kept the truth hidden from their children.

Such as the two skinhead teenagers who got married out of high school and had a baby. The young mother belatedly discovered that she had Jewish roots; not sure what to do, she started making Sabbath dinner for her confused husband, who didn't object. His parents, however, were furious and tried to break up the marriage.

"Why were they so much against this? Because they were both Jews!" Schudrich said, explaining that the parents had always concealed that fact from their son. Today, the couple is still together and increasingly devout. "It's very romantic: Two Polish skinheads fall in love in high school and later discover they're Jewish," the rabbi said, chuckling.


Here's (practically) the full thing:

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American Leads a New Generation of Polish Jews

Washington Post
Monday, March 26, 2007

The anti-Semitic hooligan picked on the wrong guy when he yelled a slur, hurled a punch and fired pepper spray at a Jew walking near a synagogue here last May.

The target -- short, skinny, middle-aged Michael Schudrich -- was a native New Yorker who didn't believe in turning the other cheek. He retaliated with a left cross, and despite being blinded by the pepper spray, gave chase as the assailant turned tail and fled. "I went into automatic New York mode," Schudrich recalled.

The bully didn't realize that Schudrich was not just any Jew, but the chief rabbi of Poland. News of the assault was reported around the world, magnified by Schudrich's presence the next day with Pope Benedict XVI at a previously planned ceremony at Auschwitz-Birkenau, the Nazi death camp in southern Poland.

The attack served as a reminder that Poland -- where more than 3 million Jews were killed during the Holocaust, the most of any country in Europe -- was still afflicted by anti-Semitism. Lost in the headlines was the notable accomplishment that Poland had a chief rabbi at all, an American who had overseen a small but remarkable renaissance of Jewish life in the country of his ancestors.

When Schudrich moved to Warsaw in 1990, Jews were hard to find. Four decades of communism had forced the few survivors of the Holocaust and their offspring to conceal their religious heritage. The Iron Curtain was lifting, but Jewish communal life was almost nonexistent. "It was a broken population," he said.

As a representative of the Ronald S. Lauder Foundation, a U.S.-based charity established to help rebuild Jewish communities in Eastern Europe, Schudrich was assigned to see what could be done for Poland's Jews. It was a tall order for the rabbi, who spoke no Polish and was fresh off a six-year stint as a rabbi for Jewish expatriates in Tokyo.

"People would ask why I came to Warsaw, and I'd tell them that I had graduated at the bottom of my rabbinical class," he said, kidding, during an interview in his office at Warsaw's Nozyk Synagogue, the only temple in the city to survive World War II.

Doubts were strong that Warsaw -- home to 393,000 Jews prior to the Nazi invasion, but only 5,000 in 1945 after the Nazis were driven out -- would ever have a visible Jewish population again. But slowly, as democracy took hold and totalitarianism disappeared, Poland's Jews rediscovered themselves.

"One guy would come visit me and say, 'Rabbi, there are no Jews left in Poland, except for my aunt,' " said Schudrich, 51. "Another one would say, 'Rabbi, there are no Jews left in Poland, except for my old classmate from the third grade.' After a while, you began to put all the aunts and third-grade classmates together, and you were talking real numbers."

While Schudrich and other Jewish community leaders are reluctant to provide estimates, they guess there are roughly 20,000 Poles who identify themselves as Jews. About 2,000 are active members of the Union of Jewish Religious Communities in Poland, an umbrella group founded in 1993 that today has chapters in Warsaw, Krakow, Lodz and five other cities.

Since then, a Jewish primary school has opened in Warsaw, as have several Jewish kindergartens, youth centers and summer camps across the country. Eight rabbis have been assigned to Poland to serve the revived population. That's up eightfold from 2004, when there was only one. "And he's sitting in this room," Schudrich said in his cramped office.

Konstanty Gebert, a prominent Polish journalist, said Schudrich, an Orthodox rabbi, had a keen instinct for reaching out to Jews who were confused or uncertain about their heritage. Many came from mixed marriages. Keeping kosher was almost unheard of.

"None of us, almost none, had any religious background at home," said Gebert, who writes for the leading Gazeta Wyborcza daily and is also publisher of Midrasz, a Jewish monthly magazine. "He was willing to take us as we were. He would never kid us that being Jewish is simple or easy, yet he never gave up on us as Jewish basket cases, either." [..]

Today, Schudrich jokes that he oversees "one of the most vibrant, dysfunctional communities in Europe." He ticks off stories about Poles who discovered only by accident that their mothers or grandparents were Jewish, of fearful parents who kept the truth hidden from their children.

Such as the two skinhead teenagers who got married out of high school and had a baby. The young mother belatedly discovered that she had Jewish roots; not sure what to do, she started making Sabbath dinner for her confused husband, who didn't object. His parents, however, were furious and tried to break up the marriage.

"Why were they so much against this? Because they were both Jews!" Schudrich said, explaining that the parents had always concealed that fact from their son. Today, the couple is still together and increasingly devout. "It's very romantic: Two Polish skinheads fall in love in high school and later discover they're Jewish," the rabbi said, chuckling.

Stanislaw Krajewski, a philosophy professor and Jewish community leader in Warsaw, said it wasn't as strange as it might seem to have an American as the chief rabbi to Poland's Jews.

Of the eight rabbis serving in Poland today, only one is a Pole -- and he returned to his native country only last year. Prior to that, it had been four decades since a Pole had become a rabbi and served in his homeland. [..]

"His Polish is still atrocious," needled Gebert, a longtime friend [of Krajewski]. But he doesn't hesitate to speak out, especially when challenged, his friend added.

The street fight last May, for example, started when the hooligan shouted "Poland for the Poles" at Schudrich and a group of seven other Jews walking through central Warsaw.

The phrase is a longtime slogan of Polish nationalist groups that embrace anti-Semitism, and Schudrich decided he couldn't let it go unanswered. "I turned around and said, 'Why do you say that?" The assailant responded with his fists and pepper spray.

Police caught the attacker a few days later. They said the 33-year-old man had ties to neo-Nazi groups and a prior record of "hooliganism." He was convicted and given a two-year suspended sentence for assaulting the rabbi.

Since then, Schudrich said he's been accosted a couple more times on the street by people shouting anti-Semitic slurs. Each time, he has yelled back. He said he wants other Jews in Poland to know that it is okay to stand up for themselves.

"The message I want to give to people here is that you just don't have to take it," he said. "Typically, when this happens, they run away. They're cowards. In New York, you'd have to worry about them having a gun."
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Advocate
 
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Wed 28 Mar, 2007 08:43 pm
Most Americans Think Palestinian State Would Be Terror State, Poll Shows
By Julie Stahl
CNSNews.com Jerusalem Bureau Chief
March 28, 2007

Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - By a two-to-one margin, more Americans believe that an independent Palestinian state would be a terrorist state than a democracy, and a majority believes that Israel should not concede any more land to the Palestinians, according to a new poll.

The McLaughlin Associates poll, commissioned by the Zionist Organization of America, comes at time when the Bush administration is pushing ahead Israeli-Palestinian negotiations with the goal of establishing a Palestinian state.

Many critics of the Palestinians here note that the new push by the U.S. and Israeli governments is happening despite the fact that Palestinian Authority (P.A.) Chairman Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah faction has joined a Hamas-led "unity" government and that Hamas is openly calling for continued violence against Israel.

In the survey of 1,000 Americans, 60 percent of respondents said Israel should not make any further land concessions to the P.A., compared to 11 percent who favor the ceding of more territory.

The survey also found that 45 percent of Americans foresee a Palestinian terror state rather than a peaceful democracy, while 22 percent disagreed. Forty-five percent of respondents said they support Israel over the Palestinians, compared to 4.6 percent who did not.

"This poll makes clear that the American public fully understands Israel's difficult plight in dealing with the Arab war against it," said ZOA National President Morton Klein in a statement.

"Americans understand that establishing a Palestinian state would simply result in but another terrorist state in the Middle East, which is the last thing America needs in its efforts to bring peace and security to the region," he said.

According to Klein, the poll indicates that Americans are against appeasing the Palestinians by offering more concessions.

It also found that Americans are more realistic about the Arab campaign against Israel than other governments - including the Bush administration, and they believe the U.S. should stop talking about establishing a Palestinian state. American respondents also view chances for peace as virtually non-existent.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who was in the region earlier this week for talks with Israeli, Palestinian and regional leaders, admitted on Tuesday that the "work of peace" had been complicated by the new Hamas-Fatah government.

Nevertheless, she said a path towards a peace deal should be pursued. "We will join with responsible leaders like President Abbas who are eager to make progress towards peace and the establishment of a Palestinian state."

Rice said Olmert and Abbas would meet every two weeks to discuss humanitarian and security issues as well as ideas about how to move towards statehood.

Olmert's spokeswoman Miri Eisen made it clear the prime minister does not view those talks as substantive negotiations. Press reports indicate that Olmert declined Rice's request to enter into fully-fledged negotiations.

Washington considers Abbas to be a "moderate" among Palestinian leaders, although some experts here argue that Abbas holds the same political views as Hamas, noting that Fatah's charter - like that of Hamas - calls for the destruction of Israel.

Fatah's charter calls for the "complete liberation of Palestine, and eradication of the Zionist economic, political and cultural existence."

"The Palestinian Arab People's armed revolution is a decisive factor in the liberation fight and in uprooting the Zionist existence," which won't end until "the Zionist state is demolished and Palestine is completely liberated," it says.

The Olmert government also views Abbas as a moderate, although it has taken a tougher line toward the Hamas-Fatah government than Washington, refusing to have contact with any ministers in the P.A. administration. American officials said the U.S. would continue to talk with non-Hamas members of the new government.

The Bush administration earlier requested Congress to release $86 million in aid for the P.A., in part to help security forces loyal to Abbas. Following the recent establishment of the Hamas-Fatah unity government, the administration scaled back that request.

According to Israel and the international "Quartet" - the U.S., European Union, Russia and United Nations - the Hamas-Fatah government does not fulfill the three benchmarks the international community set last year if the P.A. wants a funding freeze to be lifted.

The requirements were for the Hamas-led P.A. to recognize Israel, abandon terrorism and abide by previous Israeli-Palestinian agreements.

Klein argued that the latest poll indicates that there would be no domestic political fallout in the United States should the administration freeze all funding to the P.A. and sever ties.

"Only such pressure has a chance of producing the desired changes in Palestinian society and thus the possibility of peace with Israel," he said.

In other questions, 65 percent of poll respondents said they do not believe Saudi Arabia is a reliable and trustworthy ally in America's campaign against Islamist terrorism, compared to 11 percent who felt otherwise. Forty-six percent had the same doubts about Egypt, while 24 percent regarded Egypt as a reliable war on terror ally.

Fifty-one percent of respondents said the U.S. should impose economic sanctions on Saudi Arabia until it stops funding terror and promoting "radical Islamic education" that teaches hatred of America and Israel.
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Lash
 
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Wed 28 Mar, 2007 08:57 pm
That never happens to me. I was so grateful for nimh reviving the thread, and I went back to the first page to start a little reread, and I saw Cav and I hurt so much for him.

Spontaneous crying--and pain.

Do you ever just still hurt for him?
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littlek
 
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Wed 28 Mar, 2007 09:00 pm
<ouch> yep.
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