The Jews.

Jews and Arabs live in the same areas in Israel. But NO Jews are allowed in Palestinian areas outside of Israel.

Now, there´s live and there´s LIVE. There´s a big difference.

Yeah, I expected an answer like that from you.

I have no idea what you were trying to say here..

It is perfectly clear. Sorry!

It´s perfectly clear to racial bigots.

Your profundity is only exceeded by your subtlety.

No sublety needed: I calls em the way I sees em.

Okay, it is your lack of reading comprehension.

Well, explain it for the stupid like me. What "Palestinian areas outside of Israel"?

If you mean the occupied territories (de facto part of Israel, though legally speaking "outside of Israel" proper), then you're wrong - there's a whole Milky Way of Jewish settlements across the West Bank, after all. And despite the much-publicized eviction of settlers from the Gaza Strip, there is as of yet no sign of a decrease in settlements on the West Bank or any serious Israeli determination to bring it about - if anything, the number of settlements has kept growing.

If you mean Palestinian areas outside Israel + the occupied territories, then what are you talking about? Jordan?

Didn't you know that the WB and Gaza are not part of Israel? The Pals want ALL Jews out of the WB (they are already out of Gaza) and, in truth, out of Israel proper.

OK, so you meant the former: the occupied territories.

In that case, your original statement that "NO Jews are allowed in Palestinian areas outside of Israel" is plain wrong.

Whatever the Palestinians' intent is, at the moment, lots of Jews live in the occupied territories.

In fact, they're still establishing new settlements, their number having increased rapidly in the last ten years. Often forcing local residents off their land, and then having the Israeli army protect them.

Whatever one may think about that - disapprove like I do, or approve like you appear to do, the fact remains the same: your original statement that "NO Jews are allowed in Palestinian areas outside of Israel" is simply false.

Jews live in the WB by force, not by Pal allowance.

A relatively small number of settlers are in the WB. Moreover, the settlements were established on barren, unowned, land. No land was taken away from the Pals.

Middle East: Despite Disengagement, Palestinians Worry About Israeli Barrier
By Ron Synovitz


Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's cabinet approved his Gaza disengagement plan yesterday by a vote of 17 to five. The plan calls for the removal of all 21 Jewish settlements in Gaza and four of the 120 Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank. Analysts describe it as a bold step that confirms Sharon's political will for disengagement. But another cabinet vote yesterday added to Palestinian concerns that Israel may be trying to impose de facto borders around large swathes of occupied Palestinian territory before final status talks on a future Palestinian state. In that vote, Sharon's cabinet endorsed a new route for a controversial security barrier that loops around some remaining Jewish settlements in the West Bank.


Prague, 21 February 2005 (RFE/RL) -- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said the decision by his cabinet to dismantle Jewish settlements in Gaza is historic. Sharon said the move is a difficult but "crucial step" for Israel's future.
"We are now proceeding forward with preparations to leave the Gaza Strip -- a process which will begin five months from today," he said.

The disengagement plan calls for the evacuation of some 8,500 Jewish settlers who live alongside 1.3 million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. Another 230,000 Jewish settlers will continue to live -- at least for now -- in West Bank settlements built on land occupied by Israeli since the Middle East War of 1967.

Each phase of Sharon's four-step withdrawal plan also requires an additional cabinet vote. Meanwhile, Sharon continues to face a political crisis over the state budget that will determine whether his cabinet will even be in office to push through the final disengagement votes. If the Israeli budget crisis is not resolved by the end of March, Sharon's government must resign and new elections must be held.

Dominique Moisi, the deputy director of the French Institute for International Relations, told RFE/RL that yesterday's cabinet vote shows there is political will in Israel for disengagement. "What is clear is that the political will of Ariel Sharon is very strong," he said. "That's the key. He wants it and he has a majority of Israelis backing him -- if not within his own party, then at least within Israel. This is a decisive first step going into the right direction. And I'm not a cynic at all because it is a daring move [based] on the sheer exhaustion of the Israelis and the Palestinians. The two peoples are now exhausted and are ready to make a truce -- if not a peace."

Moisi also said that the release today of some 500 Palestinian prisoners by Israel further demonstrates Sharon's commitment to making the peace process work. But Moisi notes that the controversial security barrier being built by Israel continues to be a potential stumbling block to a permanent peace agreement.

"The wall has been, in fact, an instrument of peace by making a divorce quite real between Palestinians and Israelis. The geographic position of the wall, by contrast, could become a very formidable obstacle to peace if it was felt by the Palestinians that the wall was not only to secure Israelis' lives but to take some more land from the Palestinians," Moisi said.

Palestinians officials are expressing concern about another Israeli cabinet vote yesterday -- a vote that endorsed a new route for the security barrier that loops around some of the remaining Jewish settlements in the West Bank.

The new route places the major settlement blocs of Ma'ale Adumim and Gush Etzion on the Israeli side of the barrier along with about 7 percent of the occupied West Bank territory.

The Palestinians worry that Israel may be trying to impose de facto borders around portions of the occupied West Bank.

Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Ehud Olmert sought to ease those concerns. He noted yesterday that Israel has repeatedly declared that the barrier is only temporary and will be removed when terrorist attacks against Israelis stop.

"There is no annexation," Olmert said. "There is a provisional, temporary security measure which will be helpful to the peace process. No one believes that we can continue with the peace process while terror is taking place. There has not been any other measure [that has been] effective in preventing terrorist actions [except for] a barrier such as this fence."

Palestinian Foreign Minister Nabil Sha'ath said the Palestinian Authority is waiting to see how Sharon's disengagement plan is implemented.

"This has not become part of the 'road map' [for a permanent Middle East peace]," Sha'ath said. "Therefore, we are not party to this resolution. It's a unilateral Israeli resolution. What we care about is to see what happens on the ground and how this is going to become part of the road map."

Sharon has fought for more than a year to get his disengagement plan approved. Right-wing hard-liners in Israel are opposed to ceding any occupied land where Jewish settlements have been built during the past 38 years. Opinion polls, however, show that most Israelis welcome a withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.

But ultranationalists in Israel call it a "reward for terrorism." And many Jewish settlers say they think they have a biblical birthright to the Palestinian land.
--radioliberty

Chicago Sun-Times:


This relatively small number of settlers is between 250,000 and more than 400,000 - either you believe Israelian data or those from the Palestinian statistic office.

Walter, that is probably typical of what a Pal would say. If he said something slightly sympathetic to the Jews, he would be murdered.

Pal terrorism made the fence necessary. For some strange reason, Israelis got tired of suicide bombers and other terrorism.

I see: you see, they take unowned land, those bad Christians say it is commmunity land.
And they are bad because they say something which you say, it's Pal talk.

Are you shitting me?

This BBC story quotes Gilad Heiman, an Israeli interior ministry spokesman, as saying that there are now more than 246,000 settlers in the occupied territories - and in that number he was not including the 200,000 Israeli Jews who live in East Jerusalem, which Israel has annexed.

That number lines up neatly with what Walter cited ("between 250,000 and more than 400,000").

Moreover, per the same story, the number of settlers was, as of 2005, still rising rapidly - with 9,000 extra settlers moving in, in the first seven or eight months of 2005 alone.

Those are facts, per the Israeli government's own spokesperson - you cant attribute that to "what a Pal would say".

I think it is a much smaller number now. But even if it is that number, it is miniscule compared to the millions who reside in the WB and Gaza. (E. Jer. has been permanently annexed by Israel. It includes many Pals.) The problem is that the settlers are the hated Jews.

Israek has 6,352,117 inhabitants - any idea how many US-Americans the above numbers would be in relation???