The Jews.

Here's Goya's original:

John le Carre yesterday on BBC Radio

Plenty of people talk about it without being accused of Anti-Semitism---but that's sort of funny after all the blood drinking, baby eating talk.

I don't know if the anti-Semites are so entrenched they don't know what they're doing--or they just REALLY hate getting called on it.

Sofia

Do I understand you correct that you thing, John le Carre is an Anti-Semite as well?

No, Walter. Its almost always a mistake to assume.
I was making a general statement based on the last couple of posts--his statement included. I don't know enough about Le Carre to make such an accusation.

That Goya would actually be Saturn devouring his children, a myth completely unrelated to Jews. However, don't knock baby-eating until you've tried it, especially when they're born to crack whores. Believe me, my stomach is a better place for them then with their moms.

Love cav's quote.

I know. Those damn Dutch.



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The blood drinking and baby eating (Get in my BELLY!) accusation is sort of amusing from where I sit, because it is the typical (trademarked if you will) accusation against any group that is disliked, and has been for millenia. The Hellenes accused the Persians of this, who accused the Hellenes right back. The Romans accused the Jews and Christians of this, while the Jews and Christians accused the Romans of the same. The common denominator in descriptions of heretical rituals in most inquisition records include descriptions of infanticide and infantophagy. Of course not only heretics indulged in this behaviour, Jews and Muslims were accused of the same thing, and the Muslims (of course) swore the Christians did this (with some measure of validity, think about what your opinion of the Eucharist might be if you had only third or fourth hand information...). Catholics accused Protestants of munching on munchkins, as did Protestants (see some of the broadsheets produced as Catholic and Protestant propoganda in 16th and 17th centruy Europe.). In WWI and II the Germans and (WWII) the Japanese were portrayed as baby killers (The "Why We Fight" series of 'informational newsreels' dealing with Japan frequently showed shots of an orphanage in Manchuria that had been bombed. I read somewhere that it had actually been bombed by the US, but that bit was conveniently ignored.).

In an era where the existence and actions of Israel are so explosive a topic, I am unsurprised that the "blood libel" is back. It is sort of boring, why can't we have a new myth? I know, the Jews are aliens, who actually built the face on mars, and Sharon in a Cylon!

P.S. : The Battlestar Galactica comment reminded me that the LDS church was also accused of infantophagy in the 1880s. Sigh!

Sofia, as uttered by Michael Caine in "Goldmember", it was a classic line, and I needed to use it, at least for a while.

Made me laugh.

It is highly unlikely that the United States bombed anything in Manchuria. Look at map, check out the dates when Why We Fight was filmed, and give it some careful consideration. Some accusations are so historically preposterous you don't have to do much reading to debunk them.

Brain fart.

This was from Kenneth Pyle, at the U of Washington. I tend to believe him.
Also, the Japan film was shot in 1944-5, and was never used. It completed just as the Atomic Bombs were dropped. Instead the footage was recycled for a differnt fim, "You Job in Japan" for occupation forces. It is most instructive to view both films back to back. The same footage, in different sequence with different naration is used to present two completely different messages.
As for preposterous accusations, doing the research before making the comment is often helpful.

I'd be willing to believe Mr. Pyle, if he has done the research and can demonstrate as much. I made no accusations, rather, i expressed scepticism based upon the very unlikely assertion that the United States ever bombed anything in Manchuria. To have done so would have required a base from which to bomb that area. As late as the summer of 1945, we were no where near Manchuria in terms of long-range bombers. I don't have a dog in this fight, so i'm not likely to do the research--it is just of little interest to me.

As for preposterous accusations, identifying what is and what is not an accusation before doing so oneself is often helpful.

What accusation? Is this the point where you call me a traitor?

Given that this was a part of a post in which you took me to task for doubting a contention that the United States had bombed an orphanage in Manchuria, i think it was quite reasonable for me to assume that you were saying i had made an accusation (of what kind, i haven't the foggiest notion).



Get a grip--there are incidents enough and more to demonstrate a cavalier attitude to the "collateral" effects of ariel bombardment on the part of the United States during the Second World War so that one is not obliged to invent them. Rather than suggesting that you are a traitor, i was suggesting that the contention about bombing an orphanage in Manchuria is silly for simple reasons of geography and logistics. To bomb a place, you need to get bombers to the point. To enable such an exercise, the bombers must have a base from which to fly. I doubt that there was even an aircraft carrier in range of Manchuria at any time in 1945, and assert without fear of contradiction that there were no U.S.A.A.F. airbases in range of such a target.

That has been my only cavil here. I'd be interested to know what you meant with your remark about accusations, if not to suggest that i'd accused someone of something.

now now calm down everyone. Its not as if bombing chinese orphanages matters...or rather it was a long time ago and those orphans, the ones that survivied that is, will be drawing their pensions soon. Do you get a pension if you're a bombed chinese orphan? Anyway I'm sure the USAAF meant well, even if they did bomb it, which I doubt.

By dog, another dogless commie . . . i'll be "mapquesting" your address as well, me buckoh, and you'll be listed in our next operational plan . . .

bring 'em on...

I got my strella

'fact Sam and I got two (each)