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The Jews.

 
 
cavfancier
 
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Mon 20 Oct, 2003 01:00 pm
Been there with a quickie post Wink.
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au1929
 
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Mon 20 Oct, 2003 01:51 pm
Craven
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But yes, there have been recent violent acts by Jews for racial reasons, off the top of my head I recall a black man being run over.


Your recollection is faulty. A black child was run over and that sparked a riot. Which ended in the killing of a Jewish rabbinical student from Australia who by the way had nothing to do with the accident? It was laced with cries of kill the Jew. "Crown Heights affair"
I was thinking of posting "Blacks and Anti-Semitism. But based on how hot this has gotten I wouldn't touch the subject with a ten foot pole.
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Setanta
 
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Mon 20 Oct, 2003 01:54 pm
If you really have a ten-foot Pole, i'm sure he'd have a bright future in the NBA . . .
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cavfancier
 
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Mon 20 Oct, 2003 02:03 pm
Setanta is a bad doggie indeed....

I had the Crown Heights story half-right earlier, I had forgotten about the student.
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Setanta
 
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Mon 20 Oct, 2003 02:11 pm
Au has a good point, though, about not wanting to open a can of worms; nevertheless, the Crown Heights affair points to a strong and long established strain of anti-semitism in African-American culture . . .
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au1929
 
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Mon 20 Oct, 2003 02:11 pm
Santanta
Or in bed. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Phoenix32890
 
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Mon 20 Oct, 2003 02:12 pm
This is old, but paints an accurate picture of what happened, as I remember it:

http://www.jewishsf.com/bk960823/usyears.htm
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cavfancier
 
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Mon 20 Oct, 2003 02:24 pm
I couldn't get Phoenix's link to work...gateway timeout error, but here is a summary, post-trial:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/14/national/main553942.shtml

I also found this, but I don't believe it has much to do with the case:

http://www.allthingsdeep.com/dge/crownheightsaffair.htm
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Craven de Kere
 
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Mon 20 Oct, 2003 02:32 pm
au1929 wrote:
Craven
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But yes, there have been recent violent acts by Jews for racial reasons, off the top of my head I recall a black man being run over and killed.


Your recollection is faulty. A black child was run over and that sparked a riot. Which ended in the killing of a Jewish rabbinical student from Australia who by the way had nothing to do with the accident? It was laced with cries of kill the Jew. "Crown Heights affair"
I was thinking of posting "Blacks and Anti-Semitism. But based on how hot this has gotten I wouldn't touch the subject with a ten foot pole.


You are incorrect, that is not the incident I referenced. I am not vaguely remembering the incident, it was a specific one that happened a few months ago that I had in mind and none of the details are fuzzy to me.
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au1929
 
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Mon 20 Oct, 2003 02:40 pm
Craven
Now I am curious do you have a link.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Mon 20 Oct, 2003 02:40 pm
Dart,

If you read what I actually wrote you will see that I said that it is NOT an incident that I only vaguely remember I can cite the name and the details and am trying to avoid doing so depite the challenges.

Like I have said many times, dredging up hate crimes by Jews is not something I am interested in doing.

If you would like me to cite it by PM I will.
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Dartagnan
 
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Mon 20 Oct, 2003 02:43 pm
Craven, I deleted my post because, on review, you did write that it's not an incident you only vaguely recall. Fair enough. Nonetheless, I do feel that this thread has enough animosity spewing in various directions to be exact in citing this kind of evidence. Otherwise, why mention it at all?
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Craven de Kere
 
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Mon 20 Oct, 2003 02:45 pm
Fine au, here you go take your pick of links.

Now can I stop drudging for ya? There are tousands of cases like this, I see no point in bringing them up again expect to prove that they exist. And you agreed that it has existed right?
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au1929
 
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Mon 20 Oct, 2003 02:48 pm
Craven
Not necessary. This post is not really discussing the acts of individuals. At least do not believe so. That would be like blaming all blacks for the acts of the snipers in the Washington area.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Mon 20 Oct, 2003 02:50 pm
D'artagnan wrote:
Craven, I deleted my post because, on review, you did write that it's not an incident you only vaguely recall. Fair enough. Nonetheless, I do feel that this thread has enough animosity spewing in various directions to be exact in citing this kind of evidence. Otherwise, why mention it at all?


Hmm, we differ a bit there. See my original point was a simple one. "All ahve sinned". Now while most cede this they continue to challenge it at every opportunity.

I happen to think that focusing on hate crimes is a way to generate more hate. In a thread about Jewish suffering I did not want to make an appeal to nausea.

It's a common tactic, post pictures of Arabs holding guts to try to portray them as savages, focus on the barbarism of the South African black (raping children to cure diseases) to validate the discrimination against them and so on and so forth.

My point was that it existed, sice au persisted I have cited but would rather not have. We should all know damn well that all races have had their violent bigots. There is no need to cite this, but I was asked to. I am trying to avoid the gory details because I find them sensationalistic in nature.

Unless you contend that no Jewish Hate groups exist and that they have never commited a hate crime I see no need to cite gory details for a simple claim that "all have sinned".
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cavfancier
 
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Mon 20 Oct, 2003 02:51 pm
Actually Craven, I asked the same question, and suspected it wasn't the Crown Heights story. I asked that if it was something else, to please clarify. If you don't want to, I am sure we will all understand. The fact that this is personal for you, but you know it to be true is absolutely fine with me.
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cavfancier
 
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Mon 20 Oct, 2003 02:54 pm
Personal in terms of not propogating further discussion along those terms, in this particular thread. I just posted while you were as well.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Mon 20 Oct, 2003 03:06 pm
I just really dislike citing hate crimes because researching it on the net means you have to wade through white supremacist sites and other of that ilk.

If you try to search, you will have to wade through people trying to sell their brand of hate and distorting the hate crimes to fit their racist agendas. It's a pity that if you find a list of hate crimes perpetrated by Jews it will almost always be a racist website as there is no really objective list like that. There is a dearth of reliable statistics about this.

In any case I'd have a much easier time citing hate crimes against Jews. Like I said, the Jewish community takes care of their own nuts very well and the crimes by Jews are far outnumbered by the crimes against Jews. Citing crimes against Jews would be a lot easier, I can recall many many more cases off the top of my head and would not have to wade through the mire to cite anything.
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Sofia
 
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Mon 20 Oct, 2003 03:19 pm
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Hmm, we differ a bit there. See my original point was a simple one. "All ahve sinned". Now while most cede this they continue to challenge it at every opportunity.


I challenge that it (anti-goyism) is perpetrated to any degree approaching anti-Semitism--but I'm defeating my own purpose by continuing this issue. <blackened ball emoticon> <stew>

If I didn't strongly feel Jewish people bore an outrageously increased incidence of ethnic attack, I wouldn't be so determined to tell their stories.
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Refreshed to see everyone is as sick of this who killed who adventure as I am. Maybe we've spent it.

Going to check in on cav's grandfather Very Happy

If I have offended anyone here today, please forgive me. There are very few issues I'm stupid enough to get into, where I have real emotion invested. This is one. I should know better.
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cavfancier
 
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Mon 20 Oct, 2003 03:20 pm
In your own inimitable way, well said. The thread should really be about the roots of anti-semitism beyond 'the world hates the Jews'. I'm sure others will dig up cites when necessary. Some tales from personal experience might also help keep this on track, for those who have them.
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