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Well Damn! Somebody finally SAID IT!!

 
 
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 09:54 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
I understand Cyclops; I'm white, therefore I cannot know a thing about racism.

Whine, whine, whine. Make strawman arguments.

More poutrage.

Do you expect us to take you seriously when you act like this? Do you even take yourself seriously?
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 10:04 am
Let me add this:

Wilson's outburst was during a part of Obama's speech that was about illegal immigration. Let me tell you that in Texas, the illegal immigration "debate" is all about racism.

Talk radio here is full of, "should illegal immigrants be able to spend their own money to get health insurance?"

WTF? You're going to start telling illegal immigrants not to buy insurance?

Callers say "these people won't buy insurance anyway." "These people will still use the emergency room." "These people" is obviously code for "dirty Mexicans".
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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 10:04 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I don't doubt that there is racism in the country Cyclops. How could I?

I think that a lot of what people perceive as racism is (as Hawkeye has said) instead classism. My particular viewpoint comes from being born and growing up in the poor class (parent's on food stamps my whole life, living in government assisted housing, etc). I've been a victim of many of the same offenses that I see people blaming on racism, especially as it pertains to youths (such as being harassed by the cops, being turned down for jobs, difficulties in school with resources and teachers, being followed when I enter a store, etc).

In reference to Obama, I find it difficult to distinguish between those who will grab at anything to oppose him simply because they oppose the Democrats and their policies and those who oppose him based on his race. I think you and others are too quick to blame this on racism, when it's not at all clear what their motivations or hearts are.

I keep thinking back to the nasty things said about Clinton and Bush who were both white. Nobody could blame racism then; just because people are saying nasty things about Obama and he's a black man, doesn't all of the sudden make those sometimes disgusting points of view based on his race.
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 10:06 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

maporsche wrote:
I understand Cyclops; I'm white, therefore I cannot know a thing about racism.

Make strawman arguments.


Is it a strawman when I'm accurately paraphrasing what he and eoe have said.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 10:12 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

DrewDad wrote:

maporsche wrote:
I understand Cyclops; I'm white, therefore I cannot know a thing about racism.

Make strawman arguments.


Is it a strawman when I'm accurately paraphrasing what he and eoe have said.

Except you didn't. You took them saying, "you're wrong about this" and expanded it to "you know nothing about this and you never will."
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 10:22 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
I keep thinking back to the nasty things said about Clinton and Bush who were both white.


Remember Clinton, "The First Black President". It was used by folks both for and against Clinton. In some cases, it was quite obviously used as a not-so-subtle slap. Nasty, all right.

Quote:
In 1998, Nobel Prize-winning author Toni Morrison in The New Yorker called Clinton "the first Black president," saying, "Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald's-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas," and comparing Clinton's sex life, scrutinized despite his career accomplishments, to the stereotyping and double standards that blacks typically endure.
wiki




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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 10:23 am
@DrewDad,
Sorry, I guess the "sheets and hood" accusations from eoe got me a little riled up.

My response to cyclops was incorrect; but only to cyclops (thus far).
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 10:31 am
@maporsche,
Her point, which may have been lost on you, is that racism is rarely something someone is upfront and honest about. Thankfully, we've left behind the KKK and lynchings (for the most part), but now we have screams of "reverse racism" for racists to hide behind.

Again, Wilson's outburst came at a very bad time in the speech if he wants to avoid being called a racist.
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 10:38 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Her point, which may have been lost on you, is that racism is rarely something someone is upfront and honest about. Thankfully, we've left behind the KKK and lynchings (for the most part), but now we have screams of "reverse racism" for racists to hide behind.

Again, Wilson's outburst came at a very bad time in the speech if he wants to avoid being called a racist.


Thankfully for her and you then, it's very easy to label someone as a 'closet racist' when you have no facts to support such a claim.
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eoe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 10:38 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

I've been a victim of many of the same offenses that I see people blaming on racism, especially as it pertains to youths (such as being harassed by the cops...


When was the last time you were pulled over, commanded to get out of your car and spread eagle on it's hood? Without offense or provocation?
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 10:44 am
@eoe,
eoe wrote:

maporsche wrote:

I've been a victim of many of the same offenses that I see people blaming on racism, especially as it pertains to youths (such as being harassed by the cops...


When was the last time you were pulled over, commanded to get out of your car and spread eagle on it's hood? Without offense or provocation?


Never. You?

Of course, this isn't the only type of harrasment that one can experience by police officers is it?

And of course, I never said that I have experienced ALL of the same offenses that black people have been said to experience.



Or are you saying that harrasment by the police is something that poor white people do not experience?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 10:50 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

And of course, I never said that I have experienced ALL of the same offenses that black people have been said to experience.

Or are you saying that harassment by the police is something that poor white people do not experience?


Not to the same extent that blacks and other minorities do. No sir. They do not. This isn't an opinion of mine, this is a well-documented fact.

Cycloptichorn
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eoe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 10:59 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

I've been a victim of many of the same offenses that I see people blaming on racism, especially as it pertains to youths (such as being harassed by the cops, being turned down for jobs, difficulties in school with resources and teachers, being followed when I enter a store, etc).


This is your quote. Sounds like you're saying that you've experienced all of these things, putting yourself on the same level as a Rodney King, especially with the etc. so, I was just asking. And yes, I have had my ass kicked by a police officer. But that wasn't racism. It was sexual harassment.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 11:02 am
When a guy who voted for Obama gets a not-so-subtle comparison to the KKK just because he doesn't agree that criticism of Obama is racist it's a good indication that this isn't civil rights at issue, but a witch hunt. It boggles the mind.
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 11:04 am
What's left to discuss here?

Time to hide the topic.
K
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 11:06 am
@Robert Gentel,
Robert Gentel wrote:

When a guy who voted for Obama gets a not-so-subtle comparison to the KKK just because he doesn't agree that criticism of Obama is racist it's a good indication that this isn't civil rights at issue, but a witch hunt. It boggles the mind.


I would be more inclined to agree with you, if it wasn't for, oh, the overwhelming evidence that some of the opposition to Obama is in fact based in racism. It is quite clear that the issue is worth discussing and addressing, regarding national politics.

I agree that it's uncouth to accuse MaPorsche of racism, but then again, pulling the 'white male anger' routine is pretty uncouth as well.

Cycloptichorn
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 11:12 am
@Robert Gentel,
Personally, I read it that she was calling him a coward, not that she was calling him a racist.

It was also a not-so-subtle dig at those who moan about how white guys are so oppressed, and who claim they aren't allowed to hold opinions on racial issues.
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 11:13 am
@eoe,
eoe wrote:

maporsche wrote:

I've been a victim of many of the same offenses that I see people blaming on racism, especially as it pertains to youths (such as being harassed by the cops, being turned down for jobs, difficulties in school with resources and teachers, being followed when I enter a store, etc).


This is your quote. Sounds like you're saying that you've experienced all of these things, putting yourself on the same level as a Rodney King, especially with the etc. so, I was just asking. And yes, I have had my ass kicked by a police officer. But that wasn't racism. It was sexual harassment.


I don't even know how to respond to this....I think you've totally lost your mind.
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 11:13 am
@Robert Gentel,
Robert Gentel wrote:

When a guy who voted for Obama gets a not-so-subtle comparison to the KKK just because he doesn't agree that criticism of Obama is racist it's a good indication that this isn't civil rights at issue, but a witch hunt. It boggles the mind.


Yes it does. And thank you.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 11:16 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

I would be more inclined to agree with you, if it wasn't for, oh, the overwhelming evidence that some of the opposition to Obama is in fact based in racism. It is quite clear that the issue is worth discussing and addressing, regarding national politics.


Some of the opposition is based on Obama having short hair. Some of the opposition is based on Obama being a man.
Some of the opposition is based on Obama's name starting with an O.
Some of the opposition can be based on anything.

What you've failed to prove is that any of us should be worried about what some people think. When some is most likely a very small minority.

Quote:

I agree that it's uncouth to accuse MaPorsche of racism, but then again, pulling the 'white male anger' routine is pretty uncouth as well.


I disagree VERY MUCH that I "pulled the 'white male anger' routine".
 

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