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Well Damn! Somebody finally SAID IT!!

 
 
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 07:18 am
@maporsche,
It seems the strength of your ESP is as powerful as that of Jimmy Carter.
eoe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 07:24 am
@DrewDad,
Laughing Thanks Drewdad.
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 07:26 am
@eoe,
eoe wrote:

Laughing Thanks Drewdad.


so I'm as equally wrong about this, as Jimmy Carter is wrong about Wilsons comments being about racism?
eoe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 07:28 am
@maporsche,
No. It's just quite obvious that in your world, the door doesn't swing both ways. Just your way.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 07:29 am
@maporsche,
I don't think it is that at all maporsche.

In this particular instance the white guy accused the black guy of lying. When the facts are examined the white guy was not correct. That means the white guy didn't have facts on his side. Since he didn't have facts it has to be something else. That leaves Wilson as stupid or a racist. Polite society doesn't go around calling people stupid, particularly when they have reached a position of power so that leaves racism as the only likely reason for Wilson to act in the manner he did.

If you want to defend his false accusation that puts you in the same position Wilson was. Since you are not in a position of power, I think we can safely say you are "stupid" and probably not a racist.
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 07:47 am
@eoe,
eoe wrote:

No. It's just quite obvious that in your world, the door doesn't swing both ways. Just your way.


Really??? Pretty insightful of you to diagnose my personality from just a few posts.

I supose if I were to make such snap judgement about you, your comment would apply to yourself too right?
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 07:50 am
@parados,
You're right. I've NEVER seen a stupid politician. I've NEVER seen a politician say something stupid.

I guess racism is the ONLY possible answer.


I like though how it's not proper to call someone stupid, but calling them a racist is totally acceptable.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 07:56 am
@maporsche,
Sometimes it requires "speaking truth to power"
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 08:00 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

I think eoe is saying she's peeved that you cut eye holes in her sheets and all your denials of taking them in the first place are falling on deaf ears.

Laughing Laugh of the day.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 08:16 am
Quote:
SO ... NOW WE ALL KNOW THIS IS JUST ABOUT OBAMA'S RACE

And just who didn't see all of this coming? Come on, folks! Having you been paying attention for the past 30 years? In virtually every state and community in this nation liberals have been blaming racism for any failure, miscalculation, controversy or outright act of corruption by black elected officials. There has been a standard operating methodology in place for all of the 40 years I've been doing talk radio:

1. Black citizen elected to office.
2. Black official runs into opposition to policy objectives or has a problem with corruption.
3. Black supporters and liberals blame the problems on race.

One-two-three. This scenario has been played out so many times in modern American history it would have been impossible to keep count. Now a black man has become president. Some fools thought that this would help our country move beyond racial division. Well --- perhaps it would have, if only evil white people had been smart enough not to object to anything this man might propose. But it didn't work out that way, so now the left and the media are finding racists under every bed, behind every utility pole and on every street in America. Newsweek Magazine even ran a totally absurd story about racism in babies ... putting a picture of a white infant on the cover with the title "Is your baby racist?" Read that story and you'll find that the authors think that it would be horrifying if a white child were to ever express pride in being white.

Last year, before the election, some of us predicted that if (or when) Barack Obama became president that this would happen. We said that every time his policies met with opposition the left would start screaming racism. So what happened when we said that this would happen? Well ... you guessed it. We were called racists. You just can't imagine how surprised and shocked we were.

So .. here is what Jimmy Carter, Bill Moyers, Hank Johnson, much of the Washington and New York press corps, Newsweek Magazine and the brilliant thinkers on the American left would have you believe of Americans right now:

* We would be more than willing to welcome cap-and-trade with open arms, even if we paid a thousand dollars or more extra every year for our energy use, if Barack Obama were only white.
* We would be dancing in the streets celebrating the dawning of government control of our health care if only Barack Obama were white.
* It would be just dandy if government bureaucrats rationed health care for our parents, as long as the president is white.
* We would jump at the chance of the government owning ALL of the auto manufacturing companies .. not just General Motors ... if the president just didn't have dark skin.
* We would applaud those ACORN workers giving tax avoidance advice to a pimp and his prostitute if the workers hadn't been black.
* Most Americans - even ones that don't pay income taxes now - would be more than willing to give 70% of everything they earn to the federal government when asked ... so long as they are asked by a white president.
* We would have been thrilled, I tell you ... THRILLED to have all of those Islamic goons being held at Guantanamo be not only released, but sent to be school resource officers at our local government schools, if only a white president put that plan in motion.
* It would be OK if a white president stood back and allowed Iran to build its coveted nukes ... we're only unhappy about that because a black president is doing it.
* Deficits? We don't care about deficits! Make our children and grand children and great grand children pay through the nose for our president's spending habits ... just so long as the president isn't black.
* Government pork? Like we actually care? Look ... you folks in Washington can spend all the money you want - how about more studies of the mating habits of Polish Zlotnika pigs? - just make sure it's not a black president who signs the spending bill into law.
* We wouldn't care if all illegal aliens were counted twice in the next Census ... just so long as the president isn't black.
* Those Black Panther thugs who threatened voters in Philly? The ONLY reason we're upset that they were given a pass is because Barack Obama is black.
* Every single member of the president's cabinet could be a tax cheat as far as we're concerned ... just so long as the president is white.
* Forced unionization? Bring it on! We love card check! We love the idea of union goons threatening and intimidating workers to sign a card saying they want to belong to a union! What we don't like is that a black president is pushing this idea.
* Single-party talks with that Gargoyle that runs North Korea? It's about time we legitimized that little pipsqueak. We're only mildly upset here because the person who is doing that happens to be black.
* More regulation of the finance sector? We could care less! For all we care you can nationalize the banks and decree that only the government can make home loans .. .and you can even apportion those home loans on the basis of race if you want to ... just so long as the president is white!
* Minimum wage? Like we care about that? Raise it to $15 an hour if you want! Just give us our white president back.

Yeah .. the moonbat left really has us figured out, don't they?
eoe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 08:23 am
@McGentrix,
I like your signature line.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 08:24 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

eoe wrote:

No. It's just quite obvious that in your world, the door doesn't swing both ways. Just your way.


Really??? Pretty insightful of you to diagnose my personality from just a few posts.


4,733 posts
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 08:49 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

DrewDad wrote:

Are ya'll done with your round of White Male Outrage (tm), yet?


what does my race have to do with this?


They are quite correct; it has a lot to do with this incident and your reaction to it.

You should understand, that the Republican party profits as much - if not more - from cries of 'unfair racism!' than the Dems do from having to put up with the actual thing. See, because it's so hard to prove that people are racist, you can get away with all sorts of behavior and you can never be called out on it.

Whether Wilson is personally a racist or not (probably is, but who knows for sure) a huge amount of the resistance to Obama IS built on racism. Many of the comments made, the death threats made to him, and the insults have a basis in racism. Using plausible deniability to deny this asinine, and failing to respond to the Republican dog whistles just isn't going to happen at this point.

I'm a white guy, I grew up in the south, and I've been watching this bullshit go on towards black guys my whole ******* life. It's tiresome and this pretense that there is no such thing as racism, or that people don't act in racist ways, or that nobody should point out when people are having a hard time with a black president, is idiotic.

Cycloptichorn
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 09:05 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I understand Cyclops; I'm white, therefore I cannot know a thing about racism.

You're white; but you know about racism.


I voted for Obama, and I support many of his policies. MY opposition to Obama (when I oppose his views) MUST have to do with his being black. What else could it be? There are no other options.
eoe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 09:09 am
@maporsche,
There's that clairvoyance rearing it's ugly head again.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 09:13 am
Honest truth, I suspect the situation with Obama and his "health care reform" thing is worse than lying. Apparently they have some sort of an 1100 page document and I'd be shocked to hear that Obama has read more than a half a page of it or given it any more thought than that.

The situation is similar to the scene in Mel Gibson's "Thunderdome" in which Mel and friends are trying to escape in an antique train and and somebody asks about a plan and the guy driving the train replies "Plan?? We don't have a plan..."

The only real "plan" in the picture is the total power grab inherent in what's going on.

That's before you even get to the thing about the half of all American doctors who will quit the day after the "plan" goes into effect of course...

maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 09:15 am
@eoe,
eoe wrote:

There's that clairvoyance rearing it's ugly head again.


Why are you being such a chicken-**** eoe? Just call me a racist if that's what you believe I am being.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 09:30 am
@gungasnake,
Quote:
That's before you even get to the thing about the half of all American doctors who will quit the day after the "plan" goes into effect of course...


This kind of scare propaganda is hilarious. Yeah, right . . . doctors are gonna kill the goose that lays the golden eggs and "quit" . . . quit the job that pays for their suburban homes in gated communities, that pays for their beamers or Mercedes or Porches . . . that pays for their kids' orthodontic work and private schools.

Tommy Douglas lead the CCF to victory in Saskatchewan in 1944, establishing the first socialist government in North America. He was sufficiently popular that his government was elected time and again, and, in 1961, he introduced his medicare plan. (In Canada, medicare is the common name for the national health program--but there wasn't a national program in 1961, and Saskatchewan was the first province to establish such a system.)

This lead to the doctors' strike in 1962. The doctors in Saskatchewan were backed by conservative political contributors and the medical establishment of North America. Tommy Douglas was not even the Premier of Saskatchewan any longer, but his political foes used smear tactics against him in the fight. Doctors in Saskatchewan said that their income would suffer (Douglas' original plan, and the one eventually implemented agreed to pay them the "going rate" for their services), that the government would interfere in medical decisions (this has never happened, despite conservative propaganda in the United States) and would import foreign doctors--the last being a big crypto-racist campaign with images of Indian and Pakistani doctors with very dark skin.

The Doctors' strike began in 1962--and it collapsed in 1962. Doctors in Saskatchewan love their Porches just as much as the doctors in Tennessee. By then, the Prime Minister of Canada was John Diefenbaker, a conservative from Saskatchewan. He had already promised that any province introducing a "hospital plan" would get 50 cents on the dollar of their costs from the Federal government. He also app0inted a Royal Commission to investigate the implementation of a national health care plan. In 1966, his Liberal successor, Lester Pearson, implemented such a plan, and once again, the Federal government paid the provinces 50 cents on the dollar for the cost of their plans.

What really scares the **** out of the fighting-in-the-last-ditch, over-my-dead-body (don't we wish!) conservatives who oppose this plan is the knowledge that if we ever get a national health care plan, they can never get rid of it. They're running scared, which is why they're all getting so hysterical. Let Wilson be the poster boy for conservative panic and hysteria.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 09:39 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

I understand Cyclops; I'm white, therefore I cannot know a thing about racism.


No, you don't understand, apparently. You're white, and therefore should know exactly what is going on here. Don't be dumb.

Quote:

You're white; but you know about racism.


Yes, I've been surrounded by it for much of my life. It isn't some abstract comment to me, it's watching it happen with my own eye and hearing it with my own ears. I've had friends who had their feelings crushed by acts of barbaric racism, and as I've grown older, I've seen people equally crushed by comments - words have a large and harmful effect when wielded correctly.

Quote:
I voted for Obama, and I support many of his policies. MY opposition to Obama (when I oppose his views) MUST have to do with his being black. What else could it be? There are no other options.


Don't be ridiculous. You are using false logic: stating that since you oppose Obama sometimes, and are not a racist, then others who oppose Obama are not racist either. And that's true, to an extent - there is plenty of room to oppose someone for reasons outside their race. But the nature of the opposition isn't the same as you bitching about him increasing the debt; it's far more wide-spread and perilous than that, because you are complaining about actions of his, and the vast majority of right-wing complaints have been about his character.

Saying 'he wasn't born in America,' is code for racism - 'he's not like us.'
Saying 'he's a muslim!' is also code for racism - 'he's not like us.'
Saying 'he's a socialist!' is also code for racism - 'he's not like us.'

Saying 'he hates white America' isn't even code, it's just straight-up racism. And that dude is super-popular with the right wing right now. What does that tell ya?

Sending around pictures of Obama dressed as a Witch doctor - can you guess where this is going?

There does exist a bed of latent racism in this country. To pretend otherwise is foolish. It is the basis for much of the disrespect that Obama deals with (though not all of it).

Cycloptichorn
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 09:48 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
That's before you even get to the thing about the half of all American doctors who will quit the day after the "plan" goes into effect of course...

I can't tell if you're just ignorant, or if you tell lies deliberately.

Poll: Majority Of Doctors Support Public Option

Quote:
A new nationwide poll found that a large majority of doctors support a public option.

"Most doctors " 63 percent " say they favor giving patients a choice that would include both public and private insurance," NPR reports. "In addition, another 10 percent of doctors say they favor a public option only; they'd like to see a single-payer health care system. Together, the two groups add up to 73 percent." The researchers found strong support among all types of doctors: primary care providers, specialists, both urban and rural doctors and among members of the American Medical Association, which has opposed the public option. The survey was published by the New England Journal of Medicine.


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