Well Damn! Somebody finally SAID IT!!

@eoe,

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Everything. As each and every one of you know in your heart. But you just don't have the balls to be upfront about it. I guess that was the whole point of the sheets and hood, huh?

You just accused every single person that disagrees with you of being racist.
Where do you get the nerve to say

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People like Hawkeye, mysterman, etc. (you know who you are and so does everyone else on A2K) play the game of flipping the script. Accuse others of what they themselves are guilty of. It's an old and tired game that gets us nowhere but then again, people like that oftentimes don't want to 'go' anywhere. Since they can't turn back the hands of time, they certainly don't want to move forward. It's much too scary for them. I understand that too. Poor fools. But I'm all about progress so to them I say, either get with the program or get the hell out of the way

I have NEVER said, written, posted, printed or done anything else to indicate that I was racist in anyway.
You are so angry at everyone that you cant help yourself.

How dare you accuse me of being a racist!!!

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

How dare you accuse me of being a racist!!!

Careful MM. Apparently if you get upset that someone calls you a racist, it's only because deep down you know you are a racist; but you just haven't come to terms with it yet.

You're in the same no-win situation that I find myself in; not knowing how I/we got there.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

I have NEVER said, written, posted, printed or done anything else to indicate that I was racist in anyway.
You are so angry at everyone that you cant help yourself.

No, you have not. I've followed your comments since long before the collapse of Abuzz, and you have not. You have also not let yourself be intimidated by such phrases as "you know who you are" and "if the shoe fits, wear it", which are nothing more than sleezy little techniques to stifle discussion. It must be infuriating that the obliquely accused don't always lower their heads and slink off to wherever it is we slink off to.

Same for maporsch, of course. Just haven't known him as long.

See, I don't give a rip about Joe Wilson. I'm just hoping that the trend I'm seeing here doesn't represent the whole country.

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@roger,

what Roger said. On the other hand, being called a racist is pretty much sop anymore. I've been called a racist. My response is yeah, whatever.

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Well, let me go on record here as seeing absolutely no basis for describing Maporche or Mysterman as racists.

I consider that it was unwarranted and un-called-for. I agree that it was a gratuitous insult, and i also want to go on record saying that Maporche's response was completely over the top, and also was not called for.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

I have NEVER said, written, posted, printed or done anything else to indicate that I was racist in anyway.
You are so angry at everyone that you cant help yourself.

That's exactly the "flipping the script" she was describing.

"You can't know what's in someone else's head; but I know that you are angry at everyone!"

Pout rage.

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Bullshit . . . MM has every right to be outraged at being called a racist. And i have never seen a lick of evidence that he is.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

and i also want to go on record saying that Maporche's response was completely over the top, and also was not called for.

Yeah; I'll go on record as admitting the same thing. I let my emotions get the best of me there.

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@Setanta,

To be fair, mysterman also called eoe a racist, on a similar pretext. Pot. Kettle.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

Bullshit . . . MM has every right to be outraged at being called a racist. And i have never seen a lick of evidence that he is.

Did Eoe use the word racist? I don't think she did. And MM and maporche read into it what they expected to see, and were outraged.

They're hearing unspoken words now, like Dowd did with Wilson.

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EOE's remark was in response to a post by Aidan, who tangentially responded to my comment to the effect that the majority of white folks i have known either condone or at least tolerate racism. If you can't figure out that what EOE meant in her post was that MM is a racist, than i'd say that not only are your reading comprehension skills suspect, but that you can't follow a thread of rhetoric through several posts.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

EOE's remark was in response to a post by Aidan, who tangentially responded to my comment to the effect that the majority of white folks i have known either condone or at least tolerate racism. If you can't figure out that what EOE meant in her post was that MM is a racist, than i'd say that not only are your reading comprehension skills suspect, but that you can't follow a thread of rhetoric through several posts.

That's a pretty tortured path to follow.

What I got out of what she posted is a) they're hypocrites and b) they're conservatives.

They are jumping to conclusions about what she meant, and putting words in her mouth. Which is exactly the behavior they have accused others of in regard to Wilson.

Seems she hit the nail on the head with that one.

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@dyslexia,

dyslexia wrote:

what Roger said. On the other hand, being called a racist is pretty much sop anymore.
I've been called a racist. My response is yeah, whatever.

Agreed. I don 't give a damn,
tho I 'm not going to own beliefs to which I actually don 't adhere, regardless.

If someone accuses me of rejecting the gold standard,
I 'll deny it, but not get upset about it.

On both Abuzz and here, I 've been called a nazi, tho I have a very low opinion of Hitler,
and of socialism be it national, international (communism) or Fabian; additionally, I am not anti-Jewish.
My individualism and libertarianism explicitly deny Hitler 's philosophy of collectivist authoritarianism,
which co-incides with that of his ally and comrade, Stalin,
but when I am called a nazi, as happens so ofen, I dont give a damn.
I know that it is trolling me, purely to annoy me. That does not work.

The same principle applies to being called a racist.

I add this:
Every person of every race has a NATURAL RIGHT
to believe ANYTHING, good, bad or indifferent about any race.

There are NO limits to anyone 's right to have an opinion.

In a free country,
everyone has the right to free speech qua anything and everything
regardless of whether he is right. I 'll stand behind that PROUDLY.
That is a good part of what we celebrate on the 4th of July.

If that be racism: let us make the most of it.

David

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@DrewDad,

She accused them of "flipping," meaning that she alleged they call others racist because they are racists themselves. There's no "tortured path" at all. There is no "jumping" involved, the conclusion is clear. And, in the case of Maporche, she had already made the remark about cutting holes in a sheet. I suppose you will now allege that that remark had to do with strange laundry habits, and not racism.

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I am of English derivation, tho natural born American citizen; born in NY.
I remember my dead friend, Neil Callahan, telling me of another Irishman,
(whom he described as being pleasant, soft spoken n mild mannered)
who told him that even if an Englishman saved his life,
he coud not like him, based upon the history of their relations.

I don' t find that necessarily unreasonable.
He has no duty to like me.

David

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

She accused them of "flipping," meaning that she alleged they call others racist because they are racists themselves.

Here's what she actually said:

eoe wrote:

play the game of flipping the script. Accuse others of what they themselves are guilty of.

That's calling them hypocrites. Not calling them racist.

And she set the trap masterfully: They interpreted her to say racism, but she didn't actually say it. Now they're up in arms over her imagined insult, which is exactly what they were accusing her of doing: being up in arms over an imagined insult from Joe Wilson.

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@DrewDad,

You seriously need to re-read what has been written by eoe throughout this thread; I'm convinced you'll come to a different conclusion.

And if I'm wrong; and all along this was all a game about getting me to perceive that she meant racism, when she really meant something else; I'm not ashamed for falling into that 'trap' given the inciteful, vitriolic language and images she invoked (donning white hoods and sheets, etc). She certainly made it a much easier leap for me to go there than SHE made by agreeing with Dowd regarding Joe Wilson's comments.

What a masterful trap indeed... Rolling Eyes

She convinced everyone on this thread but yourself (see, you're so smart) that she meant racism.

quick, someone tell me another joke

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

Setanta wrote:

She accused them of "flipping," meaning that she alleged they call others racist because they are racists themselves.

Here's what she actually said:

eoe wrote:
play the game of flipping the script. Accuse others of what they themselves are guilty of.

That's calling them hypocrites. Not calling them racist.

And she set the trap masterfully: They interpreted her to say racism, but she didn't actually say it. Now they're up in arms over her imagined insult, which is exactly what they were accusing her of doing: being up in arms over an imagined insult from Joe Wilson.

Here's the rest of her quote:

eoe wrote:

Since they can't turn back the hands of time, they certainly don't want to move forward. It's much too scary for them. I understand that too. Poor fools. But I'm all about progress so to them I say, either get with the program or get the hell out of the way

How does the "can't turn back time", too scary to move forward, get the hell out of the way stuff fit in to your imagination?

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@maporsche,

what eoe can't comprehend is that it is not a given that everyone else wants to go where she wants to go. She also can't comprehend that in a democracy she does not get to decide where we go, even though she is sure that she is right. Once she makes the mistake of believing that every one who does not agree with her is defective it is time to ignore her....she and her kind are extremely dangerous.

the "can't move out of the past" mythology is clearly her defense against dealing with people who don't agree with her. With her self defense mechanisms she never needs to deal with the fact that she may not be right.

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@hawkeye10,

IF she's talking about racism and racists (and let's be honest, that's always what she was referring too, despite DD feeble attempts to change her meaning), then I don't disagree with her.

Racism is an ugly thing and needs to be shunned, it has no place in a logical argument/discussion and can be hateful (it can also be innocent); her and I can agree on that. Where we seem to have disagreed (before she not so subtly called me a racist) was whether or not Joe Wilson's comments were based in racism or if it was based in political opposition.

Those that want us to go back to a place in time where institutional racism was rampent and we had separate water fountains, etc, are simply wrong and I will fight to make sure we never go back to a place and time like that.

Even today, where racism is apparent (such as black people serving longer prison sentences that white people when crimes are equal) I will try to vote for people to make the system more fair. In this case though, I'm fairly certain that there is a decent amount of class-ism at work here, but some racism, no doubt.

She is a dangerous poster though, she abandons logical thought for emotionally charged arguments.

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