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Well Damn! Somebody finally SAID IT!!

 
 
maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 01:41 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Discussing racism is a legitimate topic. If you have something to say on the topic, then by all means do so.


Which I have been doing; admittedly, prior to being labeled incorrectly as a disgusting piece of slime who doesn't deserve to walk on the face of this earth.

Eoe however, has also spent several of her posts attacking me personally, which you have supported her on. I will not let this go un-remarked upon.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 01:43 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
Which I have been doing; admittedly, prior to being labeled incorrectly as a disgusting piece of slime who doesn't deserve to walk on the face of this earth.

Link?
dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 01:47 pm
@maporsche,
Yeah and I was going to have a picnic today but it ******* rained. Look maporsche I don't dismiss your thoughts or your posts, nor do I eoe's and I really don't care what you think about each other.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 01:47 pm
@eoe,
Quote:
Perhaps i missed it but please, show me where you have supported your argument, that much of the opposition to every single thing uttered by Mr. Obama is not mired in the simple fact that "and let's go back to Maureen Dowd's actual words"Some people just can’t believe a black man is president and will never accept it.


it is hard enough to know your own heart, much less to know the hearts of hundreds of millions of your fellow citizens. I have no doubt but that some people just can’t believe a black man is president and will never accept it. It is none of my business either, they are free to believe and vote however they like. However, there is no way to know how many feel this way, Dowd thinking that she does know shows that she suffers from the same delusions of grandeur that you do.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 01:47 pm
@DrewDad,
Started here....you can re-read if you like.

http://able2know.org/topic/136304-5#post-3760165


You'll notice that I wasn't the only one who read what eoe posted towards me as accusing me of being a racist. I did ask her for clarification at least once in case I was mistaken of her intentions, but she did not clarify.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 01:49 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

Yeah and I was going to have a picnic today but it ******* rained. Look maporsche I don't dismiss your thoughts or your posts, nor do I eoe's and I really don't care what you think about each other.


Really, honestly, with all due respect.....

dyslexia wrote:

You can always ignore posts/posters you don't want to read.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 01:57 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

dyslexia wrote:

Yeah and I was going to have a picnic today but it ******* rained. Look maporsche I don't dismiss your thoughts or your posts, nor do I eoe's and I really don't care what you think about each other.


Really, honestly, with all due respect.....

dyslexia wrote:

You can always ignore posts/posters you don't want to read.

I suppose that's a polite way of telling me to go **** off but actually maporsche I have no desire to ignore either you or eoe, there's is always the potential that I may learn something.
maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 02:00 pm
@dyslexia,
I really did not mean for that to sound like "**** off"...you're a funny guy and I laugh at a lot of your posts and value your ability to see through bullshit.

Right now though, while you may very well be seeing through my bullshit, I'm not talking to you, and if you don't like reading what I'm saying at this time I simply wanted to point out your advice to me, as it also applies to yourself.

I hope you enjoy your weekend though, regardless of the posts you're stumbling upon here.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 02:05 pm
@maporsche,
I don't know if this helps, maporsche. I grew up in Chicago, you grew up in Chicago, and - believe it or not - eoe grew up in Chicago. This is like the discussions about race I had with the guys I played basketball with. You eventually develop an intuition about when something is racist.
maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 02:10 pm
Quote:


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/19/health/policy/19obama.html?hp
Obama Rejects Race as Lead Cause of Criticism

Published: September 18, 2009

WASHINGTON " President Obama said Friday that he did not believe his race was the cause of fierce criticism aimed at his administration in the contentious national debate over health care, but rather that the cause was a sense of suspicion and distrust many Americans have in their government.

President Obama, at a health care talk recently in Maryland, will be on five Sunday talk shows.

“Are there people out there who don’t like me because of race? I’m sure there are,” Mr. Obama told CNN. “That’s not the overriding issue here.”

In five separate television interviews at the White House, Mr. Obama said he did not agree with former President Jimmy Carter’s assertion that racism was fueling the opposition to his administration. He described himself as just the latest in a line of presidents whose motives had been questioned because they were trying to enact major change.

Mr. Obama will appear on five Sunday talk shows " an unprecedented step for a president " to promote his health care plan. The television networks broadcast brief parts of their interviews on Friday evening, all of which focused on a question the White House has sought to avoid all week: Has race played a role in the debate?

Mr. Obama, the nation’s first black president, said “race is such a volatile issue in this society” that he conceded it had become difficult for people to tell whether it was simply a backdrop of the current political discussion or “a predominant factor.”

“Now there are some who are, setting aside the issue of race, actually I think are more passionate about the idea of whether government can do anything right,” he told ABC News. “And I think that that’s probably the biggest driver of some of the vitriol.”

The president spoke to anchors from three broadcast networks, ABC, CBS and NBC as well as the cable networks CNN and Univision.

He conceded that many people were skeptical of the health care legislation making its way through Congress.

“The overwhelming part of the American population, I think, is right now following this debate, and they are trying to figure out, is this going to help me?” Mr. Obama said in one of the interviews. “Is health care going to make me better off?”

But even as the White House sought to push it aside, the issue of race persisted through the week, with some critics saying it was the reason a Republican lawmaker was disrespectful to the president last week, calling him a liar as Mr. Obama addressed a joint session of Congress. The television interviews on Friday were the first time Mr. Obama had weighed in.

“Look, I said during the campaign there’s some people who still think through a prism of race when it comes to evaluating me and my candidacy. Absolutely,” Mr. Obama told NBC News. “Sometimes they vote for me for that reason; sometimes they vote against me for that reason.”

But he said that the matter was really “an argument that’s gone on for the history of this republic. And that is, what’s the right role of government?”

The president said the contentious health care debate, which came on the heels of extraordinary government involvement in bailing out banks and automobile companies, had led to a broader discussion about the role of government in society.

“I think that what’s driving passions right now is that health care has become a proxy for a broader set of issues about how much government should be involved in our economy,” Mr. Obama told CBS News. “Even though we’re having a passionate disagreement here, we can be civil to each other, and we can try to express ourselves acknowledging that we’re all patriots, we’re all Americans and not assume the absolute worst in people’s motives.”

The president used the media blitz to add his own commentary about the news media.

He said he blamed cable television and blogs, which he said “focus on the most extreme element on both sides,” for much of the inflamed rhetoric.

“The easiest way to get 15 minutes of fame,” Mr. Obama said, “is to be rude to someone.”


Obama points in this article are the same as I've tried to express on this thread.

That last bolded quote by me seems to be a nice jab at Pelosi, telling her to STFU with her 'un-american' and 'Nazi' comments.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 02:11 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:
You eventually develop an intuition about when something is racist.


Then someone's intuition is seriously jacked up. How else could you explain what you've read here.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 02:12 pm
@maporsche,
fair enough.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 02:42 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

wandeljw wrote:
You eventually develop an intuition about when something is racist.


Then someone's intuition is seriously jacked up. How else could you explain what you've read here.


Actually, I was thinking of Joe Wilson when I said that. I agree with Maureen Dowd and Jimmy Carter that there is an element of racism in Wilson's disrespect. (Obama prefers to ignore that there was anything racist.)
maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 02:45 pm
@wandeljw,
Sorry for misunderstanding you.

Regarding Dowd/Carter; based on the facts as they've laid them out, I agree with Obama, and disagree with them.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 02:47 pm
@maporsche,
That's understandable.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 03:07 pm
@wandeljw,
Quote:
I agree with Maureen Dowd and Jimmy Carter that there is an element of racism in Wilson's disrespect. (Obama prefers to ignore that there was anything racist.)


actually, they claim it was a primary cause, not just another element. Obama is more advanced in his thinking, it is not that he is ignoring racism, he knows that this dog will not hunt so he occupies with activities that have a chance of success instead. He has said repeatedly that America should have a conversation about race, but that he will not lead it.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 03:13 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
there is an element of racism in Wilson's disrespect


hawkeye said;
Quote:
they claim it was a primary cause, not just another element

really? can you cite the source for your claim?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 03:17 pm

"Well Damn! Somebody finally SAID IT!!"


Someone finally SAID that Obama lies ?





David
dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 03:24 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
with that said I suppose we can just mark this thread CLOSED for David has spoken.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 03:45 pm
@dyslexia,

Its only a QUESTION, Dys.

U think too highly of me; makes me blush.




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