Guns: how much longer will it take ....

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Can you figure out why the AR-15 is more like an M-16 than other rifles when they share the same repair manual?

Sharing the same repair manual has nothing to do with the fact that one is semiautomatic, and one is not. So how is the AR-15 any more like a select-fire M-16 than other semiautomatic rifles? You're dancing around this question. So far, all you've offered is an appeal to a manual, and you know what that's worth, right?

So, in your own words, how is an AR-15 any more like a select-fire M-16 than any other semiautomatic rifle?

You look particularly goofy when you falsely accuse experts of not knowing what they are talking about.

"We are in a state of chaos. In the city in which I live, I hear and see examples of chaos almost every day. Little children are victims of senseless gun violence..."

Two years ago, 11-year-old Milwaukee schoolgirl Sandra Parks wrote these words in an award-winning essay about the murders in her city.

On Monday night, aged 13, she was shot by a stray bullet fired into her home.

Her frantic family called 911, but Sandra died at the scene.

The girl's mother, Bernice Parks, told police she had gone to bed early while her children watched TV. She woke to the sound of gunshots shortly before 20:00, and found her daughter bleeding on the floor.

"She said, 'Momma, I'm shot. Call the police,'" Ms Parks told TV station WITI. "I looked at her. She didn't cry. She wasn't hollering. She was just so peaceful... She didn't deserve to leave this world like that."

Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett described the situation as "insanity", telling reporters: "Tragically, her death was caused by someone who just decided they were going to shoot bullets into her house, and she's dead. A 13-year-old, on Thanksgiving week, on a school night, in her bedroom, and she died."

Mr Barrett speculated that the shooter may have wanted to "settle a score, express anger, try to scare someone", saying on Tuesday: "All we know is that a 13-year-old died last night in her bedroom."

Midwestern paper the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that one suspect, Isaac D. Barnes, has been charged with homicide and a second man, Untrell Oden, faces two counts for allegedly helping to safeguard two guns.

I am not dancing around anything . . .

You argue the doctors are wrong because they are talking about the wounds from a specific weapon then you argue they don't know what weapons produce what sort of wounds. It seems you want to claim doctors know something at the same time they don't know something.

You are not making a logical argument, you are throwing out contradictory statements and hoping no one notices.

And you claim to have a high IQ? The internet is such an interesting space because people that lie about their intelligence quickly show that they are lying.

Here, I point out several.
https://able2know.org/topic/131081-70#post-6603457

You falsely claim homosexuality is a mental disorder.

You falsely claimed Obama had issued an executive order when it was only executive action.

You falsely argued that simply having a mental disorder would prevent someone from having a gun when other criteria also had to be met.

A diversion followed by a lie.

You attempt to divert from your untruths by claiming I have made some and you pointed them out.

Please point out the errors on my part you have found.

Here is a link to untruth number 6 of yours I referenced.
https://able2know.org/topic/131081-69#post-6602583

I will await your links to any 2 errors of mine you have pointed out that are clearly errors.

The lie in your sentence was when you wrote I only found one error of yours.

But you seem to have a pattern.
https://able2know.org/topic/131081-70#post-6603671
You stated this:

oralloy wrote:

However, when I'm confronted with an individual who:

a) has never shown me to be wrong,

b) is trying to claim that I am wrong without even making an argument against anything that I say,

c) is making an untrue claim about how I'm always wrong and there are many examples of me being wrong, and

d) cannot point out a single instance of me being wrong,

of course in that situation I point out their inability to point out anything that I'm wrong about.

It is a perfectly reasonable response to such a dishonorable person and tactic.

It seems even if someone has:

a) shown you to be wrong

b) made an argument that clearly supports how you are wrong

c) isn't claiming you are always wrong but only pointing out you have been wrong on more than one occassion

d) can point to more than a single instance of you being

you still respond to them the same way you would as someone who didn't do those things.

That can hardly be called a reasonable response.

I would call it a reflex reaction where you refuse to admit you are ever wrong. Hardly a sign of the intelligence you claim to have.

That doesn't ban the AR-15. An AR-15 with a caliber larger than .243 is still usable. I see you are once again, like you did months ago, confusing a subset with the entire set.

Your claim that the AR-15 is banned when specific caliber can not be used is either a lie or evidence your IQ is not nearly as high as you claim it is. Pick your lie. It has to be one or the other.

But the AR-15 is just fine for deer hunting:
https://gunnewsdaily.com/best-ar-15-for-deer-hunting/

You forgot to add that doctors can't tell what caliber was used by the wounds. (sarcasm intended)

Of course, that is why the military still uses the M-1. It's the same rifle as the M-16. (sarcasm again intended)

I pointed out that the courts have heard your argument and already rejected it.

Your repeating an argument that has already been legally rejected doesn't make it valid.

It only proves you have no legal argument

Says the guy that claims doctors can't tell anything about the wounds they treat.

The fact these doctors choose to talk about a specific caliber does not change the fact that they don't know what they are talking about.

Mine's 170. How many points do I have over you?

sceletera wrote:

You falsely claim homosexuality is a mental disorder.

No. I was pointing out what was listed in the barbaric standards that you referred to.

sceletera wrote:

You falsely claimed Obama had issued an executive order when it was only executive action.

Sophistry.

Not untrue. The regulation was put into place because an executive order instructed that it be put into place.

Referring to the regulation and ignoring the executive order is sophistry.

Not to mention that I was correct on the main point, which was that Obama was trying to take guns from people who clearly were not dangerous in any way.

You haven't done those things. You've found only one single error on a minor point.

I've always admitted it when someone pointed out that I was wrong about something.

No it doesn't. It is very clear that the doctors were talking about the .223 alone.

sceletera wrote:

But the AR-15 is just fine for deer hunting:
https://gunnewsdaily.com/best-ar-15-for-deer-hunting/

True. But that has nothing to do with the untrue claims made by those doctors.

I've always admitted it when someone pointed out that I was wrong about something.

sceletera wrote:

Of course, that is why the military still uses the M-1. It's the same rifle as the M-16. (sarcasm again intended)

Not the same rifle. But if each rifle fires the same round from the same length barrel (with the same twist rate), the round will perform the same.

Do you think the military doesn't know anything about the .223 round? They say the same thing as the doctors about the kind of wound created by that .223 round.

Are you really going to make that claim?

Your logic and English skills certainly don't point to it.

Are you some kind of spatial genius?

I doubt it because the requires a certain logic that you don't seem to have.

Here's a spider:

Homosexuality is NOT listed as a mental disorder under the WHO medical classifications.

You seem to make factually untrue statements in a lot of your posts and then you repeat them.

You will notice you ignored the homosexuality part of my statement and only went to kinky sex

which isn't a mental disorder but a behavioral disorder.

For someone with such a high IQ your reading comprehension seems to have some failings.

Perhaps with your high IQ, you are unfamiliar with the meaning of sophistry.

Your statement is false. There was no executive order instructing the regulation be put in place.

The sophistry seems to be your claim that there is no factual untruth in your statement.

That is your opinion.

There is certainly room for debate on whether you were correct since so many of the underlying assumptions you made turn out to be factually untrue.

It's funny how you think your opinion is fact and if you simply state your opinion it proves the facts presented by others are wrong.

Actually, I have shown you to be wrong on several occasions with specific explanations of why and links to sources showing you wrong.

Let's see if you admit that homosexuality is not listed as a disorder.

Provide the quote and we can examine how clear it is.

Until then you are making another claim without evidence.

But it clearly has everything to do with your false claim that Indiana had banned the AR-15 for use in deer hunting.

I notice you avoided that. Is that because:

oralloy wrote:

I've always admitted it when someone pointed out that I was wrong about something.

The military switched to the M-16 because it is more deadly than the M-1. There own tests showed that to be the case.

The AR-15 is more like an M-16 than other rifles because the AR-15 IS the M-16.

You seem to imply that owning a gun does allow you to craft Constitutional policy. Certainly doctors have as much right as gun owners do. Shouldn't both sides be entitled to state their opinions?

Your statement is patently false and not supported by any study.

First of all, if you want to compare doctors to guns then you are clearly stating "guns kill people" since you are clearly stating that doctors kill people. Are you conceding that the argument that people kill people not guns is a false argument but it is actually guns that do kill people?

What you are actually doing in comparing doctors to guns is comparing persons to an instance. Either you should be comparing the instances of guns to the instances of medical interactions or you should be comparing those that could possibly make a medical mistake to those that own a gun.

What you are actually doing in comparing doctors to guns is comparing persons to an instance. Either you should be comparing the instances of guns to the instances of medical interactions or you should be comparing those that could possibly make a medical mistake to those that own a gun.

Now we have looked at the numbers.

But just for the sake of being ridiculous let's make a conclusion as baseless as yours. Your misuse of numbers is more deadly to people than doctors are.

(Although there is a possibility I could be correct, since you are using your numbers to support giving more opportunity for people to use guns to kill people.)

This year, 113 people have been killed or injured in school shootings in the United States.

That's the sobering finding of a project to count the annual toll of gun attacks in schools.

At the beginning of 2018, Education Week, a journal covering education in the US, began to track school shootings - and has since recorded 23 incidents where there were deaths or injuries.

With many parts of the US having about 180 school days per year, it means, on average, a shooting once every eight school days.

Another database recording school shootings says 2018 has had the highest number of incidents ever recorded, in figures going back to 1970.

That database, from the US Center for Homeland Defense and Security and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (Fema), uses a different way of identifying gun incidents in school, and says this year there have been 94.