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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
oralloy
 
  -3  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 12:11 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
You're out of your depth.
You look particularly goofy when you falsely accuse experts of not knowing what they are talking about.

Olivier5 wrote:
There are several types of .223 ammunitions.
Yes. So?

They are all no more deadly from an AR-15 than from any other rifle.

They are all unsuitable for deer hunting.
Glennn
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 12:16 pm
@sceletera,
Quote:
Can you figure out why the AR-15 is more like an M-16 than other rifles when they share the same repair manual?

Sharing the same repair manual has nothing to do with the fact that one is semiautomatic, and one is not. So how is the AR-15 any more like a select-fire M-16 than other semiautomatic rifles? You're dancing around this question. So far, all you've offered is an appeal to a manual, and you know what that's worth, right?

So, in your own words, how is an AR-15 any more like a select-fire M-16 than any other semiautomatic rifle?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 01:28 pm
@oralloy,
Olivier5 wrote:
There are several types of .223 ammunitions.

oralloy wrote:
Yes. So?

So which one were you referring to when you stated:

oralloy wrote:
It is actually pretty weak for a rifle bullet.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 01:31 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
So which one were you referring to when you stated:
oralloy wrote:
It is actually pretty weak for a rifle bullet.
I was referring to the entire caliber -- all variants included.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 01:52 pm
@oralloy,
More likely, you thought the AR15 could fire just one kind of bullet... Hence the use of "it".

Therefore you're out of your depth.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 02:19 pm
@Olivier5,
You look particularly goofy when you falsely accuse experts of not knowing what they are talking about.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 03:21 pm
@oralloy,
Have you ever fired a gun outside of a video game?
oralloy
 
  -3  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 03:31 pm
@Olivier5,
None of your business.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 03:40 pm
@oralloy,
So... You never fired a gun ever, but you're this big expert, right?

Know your lane. You're no expert. You're just another parrot for the NRA.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 03:47 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
So... You never fired a gun ever,
None of your business doesn't mean no. It means none of your business.

Olivier5 wrote:
but you're this big expert, right?
Know your lane. You're no expert.
My high level of expertise is why it is so easy for me to explain things to you when you get everything wrong.

Olivier5 wrote:
You're just another parrot for the NRA.
There's nothing wrong with the NRA presenting facts.
Olivier5
 
  3  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 04:08 pm
@oralloy,
None of your business means no, in this case. And you already confessed a few months ago that you never ever fired a real gun.

You're a banana expert who never grew or ate any banana ever.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 04:13 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
None of your business means no, in this case.
No. None of your business means none of your business.

Olivier5 wrote:
And you already confessed a few months ago that you never ever fired a real gun.
No I didn't.

Olivier5 wrote:
You're a banana expert who never grew or ate any banana ever.
I have no expertise in bananas. Try me on Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Japan's surrender in WWII. I'm one of the top experts in the world on that subject.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 04:15 pm
@oralloy,
I'm sure you've played with a banana as a gun at least once or twice in your childhood. That makes of you a banana-gun expert.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 04:21 pm
@Olivier5,
You're consistently wrong, but at least you're consistent.
Olivier5
 
  3  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 04:23 pm
@oralloy,
I take that as a compliment, Mr Great Banana-Gun Expert.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 04:26 pm
@Olivier5,
Do you understand how goofy you look when you embrace ignorance and ridicule knowledge?
Olivier5
 
  3  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 04:32 pm
@oralloy,
I'm not the goofiest around here I think.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 04:35 pm
@Olivier5,
You are wrong again (still consistent). Your embrace of ignorance and ridicule of knowledge makes you pretty goofy.
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sceletera
 
  3  
Reply Fri 23 Nov, 2018 06:40 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

sceletera wrote:
I would hazard a guess that more doctors have treated gun shot wounds than NRA members have treated gun shot wounds. That would give them more validity in talking about gun shot wounds than the NRA.
It depends. They would certainly know more about treating a gunshot wound. That wouldn't mean they know anything about what sort of guns produce what sort of wounds.

And yet you just said this?
oralloy wrote:
It is pretty clear that the doctors were specifically referring to .223 rifles.

You argue the doctors are wrong because they are talking about the wounds from a specific weapon then you argue they don't know what weapons produce what sort of wounds. It seems you want to claim doctors know something at the same time they don't know something. You are not making a logical argument, you are throwing out contradictory statements and hoping no one notices. And you claim to have a high IQ? The internet is such an interesting space because people that lie about their intelligence quickly show that they are lying.

Quote:
sceletera wrote:
But we should accept your falsehoods?
If you can find any, feel free to point them out.

Here, I point out several.
https://able2know.org/topic/131081-70#post-6603457
You falsely claim homosexuality is a mental disorder.
You falsely claimed Obama had issued an executive order when it was only executive action.
You falsely argued that simply having a mental disorder would prevent someone from having a gun when other criteria also had to be met.

Quote:
sceletera wrote:
You will now have the urge to claim I have never shown you to make a false statement. But you might want to reconsider that.
Meh. I've found many errors on your part compared to the one single error of mine that you found.

A diversion followed by a lie.
You attempt to divert from your untruths by claiming I have made some and you pointed them out. Please point out the errors on my part you have found. Here is a link to untruth number 6 of yours I referenced.
https://able2know.org/topic/131081-69#post-6602583
Anyone can follow the thread backwards and find the other 5 falsehoods you told on top of the three falsehoods I pointed out in the single post linked above.
I will await your links to any 2 errors of mine you have pointed out that are clearly errors.

The lie in your sentence was when you wrote I only found one error of yours. You may have only admitted to one error on your part. That doesn't mean I only found one.

But you seem to have a pattern.
https://able2know.org/topic/131081-70#post-6603671
You stated this:
oralloy wrote:
However, when I'm confronted with an individual who:

a) has never shown me to be wrong,

b) is trying to claim that I am wrong without even making an argument against anything that I say,

c) is making an untrue claim about how I'm always wrong and there are many examples of me being wrong, and

d) cannot point out a single instance of me being wrong,

of course in that situation I point out their inability to point out anything that I'm wrong about.

It is a perfectly reasonable response to such a dishonorable person and tactic.


It seems even if someone has:

a) shown you to be wrong

b) made an argument that clearly supports how you are wrong

c) isn't claiming you are always wrong but only pointing out you have been wrong on more than one occassion

d) can point to more than a single instance of you being

you still respond to them the same way you would as someone who didn't do those things. That can hardly be called a reasonable response. I would call it a reflex reaction where you refuse to admit you are ever wrong. Hardly a sign of the intelligence you claim to have.
sceletera
 
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Reply Fri 23 Nov, 2018 06:51 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

sceletera wrote:
Ok, you got me. Which jurisdictions specifically ban the AR-15?
Here is one:
https://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/7389.htm
"The cartridge must fire a bullet with a diameter that is .243 inches (same as 6mm) or larger"
That doesn't ban the AR-15. An AR-15 with a caliber larger than .243 is still usable. I see you are once again, like you did months ago, confusing a subset with the entire set.

Quote:
sceletera wrote:
Or is this just another one of your many lies?
You cannot show any lies on my part.
Your claim that the AR-15 is banned when specific caliber can not be used is either a lie or evidence your IQ is not nearly as high as you claim it is. Pick your lie. It has to be one or the other.

Quote:
sceletera wrote:
You are certainly stretching the truth.
Not at all. The .223 is totally unsuitable for deer hunting.
But the AR-15 is just fine for deer hunting:
https://gunnewsdaily.com/best-ar-15-for-deer-hunting/


Quote:
sceletera wrote:
It looks like there may be 10 states that don't allow the use of .223 ammunition but that isn't banning the AR-15 since it can use different calibers.
The doctors were clearly referring to .223 rounds.
You forgot to add that doctors can't tell what caliber was used by the wounds. (sarcasm intended)

Quote:
But even if they had been referring to other rounds, their claims would still be completely untrue, as other rounds are also no more deadly when they come out of an AR platform than when they come out of any other rifle.
Of course, that is why the military still uses the M-1. It's the same rifle as the M-16. (sarcasm again intended)
 

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