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ME MYSELF I - The pros & cons of the solo life

 
 
mzsnooky
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2004 12:57 pm
Been divorced 4 years after a 27 yr marriage. A sister-in -law told me that loneliness can't kill you, but I'm starting to think that maybe it can. Not a physical death... but a death neverthe less.
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eoe
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2004 02:12 pm
Don't believe it. Do something about it.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2004 11:40 pm
eoe wrote:
I stepped out of the bi-weekly club forays in my late 20's as well, Grand Duke. The chances of finding something or someone meaningful hanging off of a bar were/are pretty slim.


Never did the club thing ... Far too uncomfortable with the idea. I met most of my "romantic" interests at work! Even married one! Pretty exciting, huh?
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2004 11:50 pm
mzsnooky wrote:
Been divorced 4 years after a 27 yr marriage. A sister-in -law told me that loneliness can't kill you, but I'm starting to think that maybe it can. Not a physical death... but a death neverthe less.


I can relate to how you feel, mzsnooky, but It definitely won't kill you, I promise! I felt extremely low after the end of a 20 year relationship, but I lived to tell the tale! Very Happy It takes a while, but bit by bit things improve, change ... & you no longer define yourself by who you were in that relationship. Besides, the demands of life can really keep you on your toes! I can now say, in all honesty, that I feel a more whole person than I did in the woeful last years of a deteriorating relationship. It has been quite liberating ... Sure, scarey at times, but definitely liberating. Hang in there!

Good luck, mzsnooky, & a big welcome to A2K! Hope to see you back here, reporting on your progress.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2004 03:11 am
I just miss my kids so much. Being alone I can cope with - but being without them 6 days a week is like.... the worst. To be honest, I haven't used my 'single & free' status to do anything like 'finding myself' like it was some movie starring Tom Hanks.

I just read and drink. Wheeeee.... the freedom....
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2004 05:18 am
Ah, Mr S, children I'm sure, are another matter. And one that I'm not qualified to talk about, not having had any. But I imagine that losing that precious time with one's children is quite devastating, as you suggest. Nothing could possibly replace that. I'm so sorry that this has happened to you & your children.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 05:49 pm
Re: nonsense
Wilso wrote:
worthy wrote:
it is I think nonsense to defend the idea of being alone. Come on we are humans and we can not live without someone listening our complaints,hopes.feelings.Especially opposite sex is integral part of our life which is very very long......


Very damned long when you're terminally lonely.



It's not necessarily DEFENDING the idea of living alone, worthy. It's more about choosing a way of life that best suits a person, from the options available . If, for example, your relationship was a demoralizing or particularly unhappy one, living alone can be a sheer relief. It has been for me. Not necessarily easy at all times, but definitely a better situation than the one I was in. I was actually lonelier in the terminal stages of my last, long relationship than I am alone.
And as for sharing your life & thoughts, well many of us do that with friends & do the same for them ... And often solid friendships outlive more than one marriage.

I may be wrong here, but it seems (from what I see around me) that men often have a more difficult time coping alone than women. I don't know why that is, but I've seen a number of men I know settle for relationships that aren't necessarily satisfying ones, rather than be on their own. My women friends have tended to cope a lot better on their own after the break up of a marriage or relationship. And been a lot more careful about entering any new relationship. I wonder why that is?
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eoe
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 07:34 pm
Because many men are used to women taking care of them, handling the essentials such as cooking, cleaning, laundry, the stuff that keeps their world going around. On the other hand, women today not only fry the bacon, they bring home the bacon as well. We not only cook and clean and raise the kids, most of us have jobs outside of the home and we do that too.

I read some time ago that men who are divorced or widowed are more likely to marry within two years of the event. Women wait much longer to remarry. Why? Most men need someone to take care of them while most women learn to take care of themselves.

Like you, msolga, it's what I see all around me.
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littlek
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 07:39 pm
I've always known how to take care of myself. I hate relying on other people. But, I've never been married, maybe one changes. Of course, maybe the self-reliance is WHY I've never been married.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 07:41 pm
Listening here again.
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eoe
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 07:47 pm
I had to learn how to depend on my husband. He's old-fashioned in the sense that he likes for his woman to need him so I depend on his physical strength and his warm body on cold, winter nights. The fact that I can count on him is very, very special. Never had a man that I could completely count on, without fail. There's nothing like knowing that someone has got your back.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 08:02 pm
Interesting thoughts, eoe & littlek ....

It sounds as though some men need to have "mothers" looking after them all their lives, maybe. I hadn't thought of that ....

But I was also thinking of emotional considerations. Most women I know have at least one or more close (female) friends that they feel free to confide almost anything in. Sometimes these friendships between women are more supportive in nature than the womens' relationships with their spouses. So, once a woman has left a marriage/relationship she still has the support, love & acceptance from very close friends.
I'm wondering if women/spouses are the ONLY emotional connections that some mean have? Especially older men. So when the relationship falls apart these men could find themselves with virtually no strong emotional connection to anyone? This could explain why some men in this situation find new partners so quickly.
I have a friend whose situation is very much like this. Most of his energy & drive goes into work, so his current spouse/lover tends to be his only confidant, or emotional connection. In between relationships he's totally alone. AND very unhappy.
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Eva
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 08:44 pm
Oh, I definitely think you're right, msolga. I've known a LOT of men like that. My husband may be one of them. He has friends & family to talk to, but most of them don't even live in our city. I'm the only one he's got for everyday stuff.
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eoe
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 09:07 pm
Same here. Not too many guys are intimate with others outside of family and/or lovers. My husband's family is in another city. He has one male friend here but I don't think their relationship is intimate. They share spiritual philosophies and an interest in sports and politics but many times his friend's wife has told me things that his friend has not shared with him.

Women are just more open. Our 'womanhood' isn't on the line so readily.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2004 06:05 am
I'd be interested to hear if any men here have thoughts on this ....
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2004 09:18 am
Re: nonsense
msolga wrote:
Wilso wrote:
worthy wrote:
it is I think nonsense to defend the idea of being alone. Come on we are humans and we can not live without someone listening our complaints,hopes.feelings.Especially opposite sex is integral part of our life which is very very long......


Very damned long when you're terminally lonely.



It's not necessarily DEFENDING the idea of living alone, worthy. It's more about choosing a way of life that best suits a person, from the options available . If, for example, your relationship was a demoralizing or particularly unhappy one, living alone can be a sheer relief. It has been for me. Not necessarily easy at all times, but definitely a better situation than the one I was in. I was actually lonelier in the terminal stages of my last, long relationship than I am alone.
And as for sharing your life & thoughts, well many of us do that with friends & do the same for them ... And often solid friendships outlive more than one marriage.


Some of us prefer more "space" than others. I guess the trick is to be CHOOSING to live alone, eh? Not doing it because you feel you have no option.

My job involves extremely intense interaction with people (clients and staff) all day - while I sometimes quite like to be able to babble about things to someone else at the end of the day, I NEED "decompression" time - I am awful if MORE intense interaction is required of me immediately after work - and often I just want to be alone. Or, these days, sometimes a bit of net discussion fits the bill, because it is paced at my speed and intensity - and does not, generally, involve the energy of "real" interaction.

Really, I am happy living alone - as long as the interaction I need is available when I want it. I am also happy living with others - as long as they are compatible. At this stage of my life, having spent most of my life living with other people, I am enjoying the aloneness. But there ar eplenty of people in my life. It would be not good to live alone if they were not there.

msolga wrote:
I may be wrong here, but it seems (from what I see around me) that men often have a more difficult time coping alone than women. I don't know why that is, but I've seen a number of men I know settle for relationships that aren't necessarily satisfying ones, rather than be on their own. My women friends have tended to cope a lot better on their own after the break up of a marriage or relationship. And been a lot more careful about entering any new relationship. I wonder why that is?


Hmmm - research bears you out - women DO cope better than men, emotionally, alone - men tend to be better off financially. Of course, this trend does not say how an individual man or woman will be - there are lots of very needy women around, who MUST have a man - no matter what he is like.

I seem to know lots of very independent fellas, meself, though.

Most of my male friends have good friendship networks and are very capable of managing on their own - they don't ever seem to have to for long, though!
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 7 Aug, 2004 01:51 am
Thank you for that very thoughtful response, Deb. I wonder about these things a lot.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 7 Aug, 2004 02:22 am
Yes - I think YOUNGER women are more likely to be the needy ones - dear goddess, I can remember thinking something 'orrible would happen if I didn't have a feller! Doh! I am still neurotic - but not in that way.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 7 Aug, 2004 02:31 am
Aaaaaaaaaah yes, Deb! I remember waiting for my prince to come & make everything wrong in the world, right! What a weighty responsibility to put on any prince!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 7 Aug, 2004 02:41 am
Lol! I can't recall as I ever expected mine to DO a lot - I just liked them to be around at reasonable intervals.
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