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Cops Suspect Parents In Missing British Girl Case

 
 
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 02:28 am
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Some Portuguese papers said Kate McCann's cool and composed demeanor throughout the investigation was a sign of her guilt.
This is pretty damning evidence. Call off the search. Gaol the mother and father. End of story.

(Perhaps Kate and Gerry McCann's relative composure in public has something to do with being middle class educated. Perhaps they do their crying in private, they dont blubb to camera at every opportunity, or go on Jerry Springer and wail).
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 02:44 am
Steve 41oo wrote:
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Some Portuguese papers said Kate McCann's cool and composed demeanor throughout the investigation was a sign of her guilt.
This is pretty damning evidence. Call off the search. Gaol the mother and father. End of story.

(Perhaps Kate and Gerry McCann's relative composure in public has something to do with being middle class educated. Perhaps they do their crying in private, they dont blubb to camera at every opportunity, or go on Jerry Springer and wail).


This is so reminiscent to the way Lindy Chamberlain was treated by the Australian press (& public) after her daughter Azaria disappeared, it's scary. Deja vu.

What is it that causes such vindictiveness, hatred & hysteria in normally reasonable people?
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happycat
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 05:24 am
msolga wrote:



What is it that causes such vindictiveness, hatred & hysteria in normally reasonable people?


I think it just has to do with too many of these kinds of incidents where a child has gone missing or is murdered, and our hearts go out to the crying parents, only to find out later that they were responsible.
Also, given the predatory climate we live in, we are angered by parents that take such a blase attitude toward keeping their children safe.
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smorgs
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 05:59 am
Bloody hell!

I'm shocked at (some) people on this thread, all based on rumour and press snippets.

Want a length of rope?

x
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happycat
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 06:02 am
smorgs wrote:
Bloody hell!

I'm shocked at (some) people on this thread, all based on rumour and press snippets.

Want a length of rope?

x


Well, what else does the public have to go on, but rumour and press snippets?
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smorgs
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 06:04 am
Why not just keep your gob shut?

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happycat
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 06:11 am
smorgs wrote:
Why not just keep your gob shut?

x


Well, this is a message board, and if we all kept our 'gobs' shut it would be pretty damned empty.

But, I suppose I could say the same to you since you really don't have anything of interest to say except to berate people for discussing a news story.
Rolling Eyes
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smorgs
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 06:22 am
Don't get your knickers in a twist happycat...

Saying shut your gob where I'm from isn't considered an insult.

There is a difference between healthy debate and condemnation without evidence.

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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 07:12 am
happycat wrote:
msolga wrote:



What is it that causes such vindictiveness, hatred & hysteria in normally reasonable people?


I think it just has to do with too many of these kinds of incidents where a child has gone missing or is murdered, and our hearts go out to the crying parents, only to find out later that they were responsible.
Also, given the predatory climate we live in, we are angered by parents that take such a blase attitude toward keeping their children safe.


How many of these such incidents have there really been, though? Susan Smith is the only one that comes to mind, and this isn't anything like it. Children being abducted from their beds, though, feels fairly common -- Jessica Lundsford, Polly Klaas, Elizabeth Smart -- and none of them turned out to have been murdered by their parents.
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Chai
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 07:13 am
smorgs wrote:
There is a difference between healthy debate and condemnation without evidence.

x


Right.

Hearing about petitions online, and all these rumors started by God knows who is dispiriting, to say the least.

People whose sole source of information comes from what FOX news or the National Enquirer prints, or what their hairdresser tells them while getting highlights.

It's the Jerry Springer Show mentality. Someone we've already seen just has to be guilty, we need a witch hunt and we need it fast and easy.

Don't confuse me with the evidence available, or stop me from calling something evidence that is pure conjecture, or, better word...gossip. If there isn't anything available, let's make some up.

I make my living off the Evening News
Just give me something-something I can use
People love it when you lose,
They love dirty laundry

Well, I coulda been an actor, but I wound up here
I just have to look good, I don't have to be clear
Come and whisper in my ear
Give us dirty laundry

Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em all around

We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blonde who
comes on at five
She can tell you 'bout the plane crash with a gleam
in her eye
It's interesting when people die-
Give us dirty laundry

Can we film the operation?
Is the head dead yet?
You know, the boys in the newsroom got a
running bet
Get the widow on the set!
We need dirty laundry

You don't really need to find out what's going on
You don't really want to know just how far it's gone
Just leave well enough love
Eat your dirty laundry

Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down

Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're stiff
Kick 'em all around

Dirty little secrets
Dirty little lies
We got our dirty little fingers in everybody's pie
We love to cut you down to size
We love dirty laundry

We can do "The Innuendo"
We can dance and sing
When it's said and done we haven't told you a thing
We all know that Crap is King
Give us dirty laundry!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 07:18 am
FreeDuck wrote:
Children being abducted from their beds, though, feels fairly common -- Jessica Lundsford, Polly Klaas, Elizabeth Smart -- and none of them turned out to have been murdered by their parents.


I suppose that's just because those stories are on the frontpages.

My experience in a normal, more rural, quite small court district as a social worker for the court and for the prosecution office, in a high security prison as well as probation officer is different.
As is what I know from litterture
Reconsidering the Leading Myths of Stranger Child Abduction (summary from 'Criminal Justice Studies'):
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This paper addresses the two foremost myths of child abduction: (1) that it is generally committed by strangers; and (2) that the phenomenon is a growing problem. These commonly held views are considered in light of the extant empirical knowledge base, including the recently released NISMART-2 study. Research indicates that stranger abduction occurs less frequently than family abduction or acquaintance abduction; stereotypical stranger abductions are rarer still, and stereotypical stranger abductions resulting in homicide are extraordinarily rare. There is no evidence of a stranger-abduction epidemic, and there is no clear evidence for a child abduction epidemic overall. There is, however, strong evidence that parental abduction is widespread. Assessment of the extant knowledge base suggests the need for: (1) national longitudinal studies with consistent typologies and methodologies which could determine the scope and trend of child abduction; (2) increased efforts to verify interview data to avoid overestimation; (3) theoretical construction to predict/explain abduction behaviors; and (4) migration of new elaborated typologies into NIBRS and especially UCR data collection.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 07:23 am
Walter, I'm aware that stranger abduction is a very small percentage of actual abductions and missing children cases. However, in these highly sensationalized cases that happycat was referring to, children ARE kidnapped by strangers from their beds. And they usually end up dead. How many parents kill their children and then launch an elaborate scheme to hide the body and then claim abduction to cover it up.? I can think of only Susan Smith. Perhaps you have some experience that will tell us exactly how common such a scenario is.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 07:28 am
I know just from the media (and litterature) - we had had about half a dozen of such ... which made it in the national news ... in the last two, three years here.

I've "met" about a dozen of such persons personally - in prison and as probation officer.
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happycat
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 07:28 am
FreeDuck - Here in MD we had a horrible case a few years ago. Richard Spicknall shot and killed his two toddlers in his car and claimed he'd been carjacked.
He was murdered in his jail cell last year.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/09/10/national/main52759.shtml
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 07:31 am
Just to clarify: my above response has nothing to do with the McCann case and is only indirectly related: here, police would at first look at the parents .... usually, that is. It certainly might be different (and will be), if they have a "better background".
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happycat
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 07:41 am
.....and the case in the early 80's of Diane Downs who shot her three kids in her car because they interferred in her relationship with her lover.
That story was made into a movie with Farrah Fawcett.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 07:53 am
happycat wrote:
.....and the case in the early 80's of Diane Downs who shot her three kids in her car because they interferred in her relationship with her lover.
That story was made into a movie with Farrah Fawcett.


Right, and that sounds a lot like the Susan Smith case. But in each of these cases the children were known to be dead and the parents were present, which made them immediately suspect. The children weren't missing for months, and the parents didn't kill one child but leave two others untouched.

Walter, in the many cases you have knowledge of, how many are similar to the McCann's? Did the parents in those cases hide the bodies and then launch a search for the children for months? Were they successful in hiding/disposing of the body?

I'm looking at this case and I'm matching patterns in my mind. That's why I don't think the parents killed their child. The pattern of a child missing from her/his bed most matches the pattern of stranger abduction and murder. To me, that is. I realize I'm no expert, as none of us are, so I'm going by what is actually known and what looks familiar to me. This still looks like a stranger abduction to me.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 07:54 am
Similarly, Scott Peterson, was highly visible in the search for his missing, pregnant wife. He was a free man for four months before he was arrested.
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happycat
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 08:06 am
FreeDuck - I'm not doing anything different than you're doing. I'm surmising and guessing and thinking out loud.

It probably was an abduction. But it wouldn't have happened if they'd been more vigilant in keeping their kids safe in a foreign country. I don't see how anyone can argue that fact.

Regarding the statement someone made about it being a kid-friendly resort; even more reason to keep a close eye on your kids since it makes for easy pickins for child predators.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 08:14 am
happycat wrote:
It probably was an abduction. But it wouldn't have happened if they'd been more vigilant in keeping their kids safe in a foreign country. I don't see how anyone can argue that fact.


Right. It also wouldn't have happened if they hadn't taken the vacation or taken it somewhere else. I see that statement as a way for us to feel better about the safety of our own kids. It won't happen to us, because we would never do such a thing. Yet children are abducted while parents are sleeping in the next room, even from slumber parties full of other children. It happens. Belaboring the point that they shouldn't have left them alone, and then following that with suspicion and innuendo that they actually killed her and hid her body, as if negligence weren't damning enough to satisfy our need to burn them at the stake, shows what mobish and vicious creatures we all really are.
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