Cops Suspect Parents In Missing British Girl Case

you really cant see can you moleye10?

The proper use of shunning does not require a legal ruling of guilt. I think that almost all of us are glad of that when we have a person such as OJ living amongst us. Maybe the McCanns will be treated the same way, it is up the the Brits to decide.

hawkeye10 wrote:

The proper use of shunning does not require a legal ruling of guilt. I think that almost all of us are glad of that when we have a person such as OJ living amongst us. Maybe the McCanns will be treated the same way, it is up the the Brits to decide.

OJ was tried and, though acquitted, the whole country (world) saw the evidence that was presented against him at trial. That's certainly not the case here. Any evidence that there might be against the McCann's has not been presented to the general public. What we have in the place of evidence is rumor and innuendo. People who shun others on the basis of rumor and innuendo are typically referred to as nasty harpies.

And they were wrong to do it in America. I guess it's up to folks in the UK to decide whether they want to be in our company.

I haven't been following this thread so I don't know what behaviors and facts you are referring to, so I won't argue that. I'll just say that it's not at all obvious from my vantage point that they harmed their daughter other than by leaving her alone, and I personally would feel like a complete **** for heaping scorn onto the pain of losing a child.

The Facts
The most reliable research available indicates that there are only 100-130 cases of stranger abductions a year in the United States. These events are most frequently committed by males (86%) who are between the ages of 20 and 39 (57%). Again, the child was taken from an outdoor area in 54% of the cases but in 16% of the cases, the victim was abducted from his own yard or home. In the wider category of non-family abduction, NISMART found that 71% of the victims were taken from an outdoor area. In stereotypical kidnappings, less than 7% were taken from a store or mall. Stranger abduction events are usually committed for sexual purposes (49%) and in over 40% of the cases, the victim was murdered. That is in addition to the 4%, like Etan Patz in New York City, that have never been found.

The F.B.I. handled 93 cases of stranger abductions cases in 2001. That figure is actually a decrease from years past, especially during the 1980s when the average per year hovered around 200 incidents a year. Though the victim in most of these cases did not know the suspect, there was previous contact between them prior to the crime. This contact was usually a brief visual observation that took place while the suspect had a legitimate reason for being where he was. Those reasons included work related activities, such as a home delivery, a store clerk, a drive-by, in a park or sporting event. In over 85% of the cases, the child was kept within 50 miles of the abduction location and most frequently (28%), the victim was held in the home of the suspect.

The duration of a kidnapping episode was usually less than 24 hours (90%). Only less than 10% lasted longer than one day. Non-family abductions showed the same patterns though 30% lasted less than even 3 hours. The most dramatic difference between non-family abductions and kidnappings was in the treatment of the victim. In 99% of non-family abductions, the child was returned alive. In kidnappings, a safe return occurred only 57% of the time. Ominously, the child suffered a sexual or physical assault in an astounding 86% of the stereotypical kidnappings. These findings powerfully emphasize the extreme danger of these events and the urgency of police interaction as soon as possible.

Stereotypical kidnapping, in which a child is abducted and either assaulted or held for ransom, is a crime that first appeared in the United States in the late 19th century. During the 1920s, it became entrenched in the public consciousness when a series of child abduction cases terrified parents across the country.

FBI crime stats show that in 1999 parents were responsible for 57% of these murders. Even though women commit less than 13% of all violent crime, they are responsible for about 50% of all parental murders.Some prefer a more hands-on approach like beating, drowning, shaking, strangling or suffocation. Others will resort to poisoning, stabbing or exposure to the elements. In 1999 351 kids under 5 were killed by a parent!

But what do you do when they claim that a stranger abducted their daughter and this happens so rarely anywhere that the odds are about zero that this happen in this case,

and that when a child is killed it is normally the parents who did it,

and that neighter the girl or the body have been found?? Throw this in with the facts as we know them, shake, and what do you get?

Quote:

The Facts
The most reliable research available indicates that there are only 100-130 cases of stranger abductions a year in the United States. These events are most frequently committed by males (86%) who are between the ages of 20 and 39 (57%). Again, the child was taken from an outdoor area in 54% of the cases but in 16% of the cases, the victim was abducted from his own yard or home. In the wider category of non-family abduction, NISMART found that 71% of the victims were taken from an outdoor area. In stereotypical kidnappings, less than 7% were taken from a store or mall. Stranger abduction events are usually committed for sexual purposes (49%) and in over 40% of the cases, the victim was murdered. That is in addition to the 4%, like Etan Patz in New York City, that have never been found.

The F.B.I. handled 93 cases of stranger abductions cases in 2001. That figure is actually a decrease from years past, especially during the 1980s when the average per year hovered around 200 incidents a year. Though the victim in most of these cases did not know the suspect, there was previous contact between them prior to the crime. This contact was usually a brief visual observation that took place while the suspect had a legitimate reason for being where he was. Those reasons included work related activities, such as a home delivery, a store clerk, a drive-by, in a park or sporting event. In over 85% of the cases, the child was kept within 50 miles of the abduction location and most frequently (28%), the victim was held in the home of the suspect.

The duration of a kidnapping episode was usually less than 24 hours (90%). Only less than 10% lasted longer than one day. Non-family abductions showed the same patterns though 30% lasted less than even 3 hours. The most dramatic difference between non-family abductions and kidnappings was in the treatment of the victim. In 99% of non-family abductions, the child was returned alive. In kidnappings, a safe return occurred only 57% of the time. Ominously, the child suffered a sexual or physical assault in an astounding 86% of the stereotypical kidnappings. These findings powerfully emphasize the extreme danger of these events and the urgency of police interaction as soon as possible.

Stereotypical kidnapping, in which a child is abducted and either assaulted or held for ransom, is a crime that first appeared in the United States in the late 19th century. During the 1920s, it became entrenched in the public consciousness when a series of child abduction cases terrified parents across the country.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/child_abduction/4.html

Quote:

FBI crime stats show that in 1999 parents were responsible for 57% of these murders. Even though women commit less than 13% of all violent crime, they are responsible for about 50% of all parental murders.Some prefer a more hands-on approach like beating, drowning, shaking, strangling or suffocation. Others will resort to poisoning, stabbing or exposure to the elements. In 1999 351 kids under 5 were killed by a parent!

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/7612/parents_who_murder_their_children.html?cat=48
in America only 130 stranger abductions of children of all ages a year, almost always they are found alive, verses 351 5 and under killed each year by a parent. We have not found this kid so likely she is dead, which scenario is more likely to have taken place?

I don't think you even come close to the level of certainty required.

Kate and Gerry McCann 'could be charged with neglecting Madeleine'

By Mail On Sunday Reporter
Last updated at 11:43 PM on 05th July 2008


It is understood detectives have submitted their final report on the case to the country's attorney general.


Kate and Gerry McCann could be charged with neglect, even though there is no evidence to suggest they were involved in Madeleine disappearance



Although it concludes there is no evidence that the couple were involved in the disappearance of their daughter shortly before her fourth birthday, it leaves the McCanns open to charges of abandoning Madeleine and their twins Sean and Amelie, then two, in their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3 last year, according to Portuguese newspapers`


Madeleine went missing from the Praia da Luz holiday apartment last May
A judicial source told the newspaper Correio da Manha: 'If it was a case of abduction, as the parents themselves argue, it was they who created the necessary conditions for that to take place.'

Last night, the McCanns' spokesman said: 'This is the first we have heard of this. Any charges would be vigorously contested.'

The McCanns are 'reluctantly' taking Leicestershire Constabulary to the High Court tomorrow to make it hand over any evidence it collected during liaisons with its Portuguese counterparts in the hunt for Madeleine.It is believed that the force refused to open its files to the McCanns, who believe British police may have received calls from members of the public which could be helpful to private detectives working for the family

we also have knowledge of problems in the family, bizarre behaviour on the part of the parents, and a set of facts that put the odds on the parents.

Prosecutor Says DNA Clears Ramseys

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: July 9, 2008
Filed at 6:27 p.m. ET

BOULDER, Colo. (AP) -- Prosecutors cleared JonBenet Ramsey's parents and brother Wednesday in the 1996 killing of the 6-year-old beauty queen, saying they were ''deeply sorry'' for putting the family under a cloud of suspicion that hung heavy for more than a decade.

New DNA tests, which focus on skin cells left behind from a mere touch, point to a mysterious outsider. They came too late to clear the name of JonBenet's mother, Patsy, who died of cancer in 2006.

''To the extent that we may have contributed in any way to the public perception that you might have been involved in this crime, I am deeply sorry,'' Boulder County District Attorney Mary Lacy wrote in a letter to the little girl's father, John Ramsey. ''No innocent person should have to endure such an extensive trial in the court of public opinion.''

Lacy said new ''touch DNA'' tests on skin cells that were left behind on JonBenet's long underwear point to an ''unexplained third party'' and not a member of the family.

John Ramsey, a software entrepreneur who now lives in Michigan, said Wednesday he is hopeful the killer will be found based on the DNA evidence.

''I think the people that are in charge of the investigation are focused on that, and that gives me a lot of comfort,'' he told KUSA-TV in Denver. He added: ''Certainly we are grateful that they acknowledged that we, based on that, certainly could not have been involved.''

For years after the slaying, tabloids and crime shows went after the couple, and Lacy's predecessor as district attorney, Alex Hunter, said in 1997 that the parents were under an ''umbrella of suspicion.'' News reports also cast suspicion on JonBenet's older brother, Burke, who was 9 when his sister was killed.

The suspicions outlived Patsy, who died at age 49 in Atlanta, where the family moved after JonBenet's death.

''My first thought was obviously I wish Patsy Ramsey was here with us to be able to at least share vindication of her family,'' said L. Lin Wood, an attorney for the Ramsey family. ''There are many people in this country, if not around the world, that also owe John and Patsy Ramsey and Burke Ramsey an apology.''

Early in the investigation, police found male DNA in a drop of blood on JonBenet's underwear and determined it was not from anyone in her family. But Lacy said investigators were unable to say who it came from and whether that person was the killer.

Then, late last year, prosecutors turned over long underwear JonBenet was wearing to the Bode Technology Group near Washington, which looked for ''touch DNA,'' or cells left behind where someone has touched something.

The lab has only been using this technology for about three years.

The laboratory found previously undiscovered genetic material on the sides of the girl's long underwear, where an attacker would have grasped the clothing to pull it down, authorities said. The DNA matched the genetic material found earlier.

Lacy said the presence of the same male DNA in three places on the girl's clothing convinced investigators it belonged to JonBenet's killer and had not been left accidentally by an innocent party.

''It is therefore the position of the Boulder District Attorney's Office that this profile belongs to the perpetrator of the homicide,'' she said in a statement. In her letter to the Ramseys, she said the DNA evidence ''has vindicated your family.''

She said investigators hope someday to find a DNA match in the ever-expanding national DNA databank.

Through a spokeswoman, Lacy declined to comment any further.

John Ramsey found his daughter's strangled and bludgeoned body in the basement of the family's home in Boulder on Dec. 26, 1996. Patsy Ramsey said she found a ransom note demanding $118,000 for her daughter.

Lacy had previously expressed doubts that the parents were involved. In 2003, a federal judge handling a defamation lawsuit in Atlanta involving the Ramseys said evidence in the case was more consistent with the theory that an intruder killed JonBenet, and Lacy said she agreed.

Less than two months after Patsy Ramsey died, the case appeared to blow wide open with the arrest in Thailand of John Mark Karr, a sometime teacher obsessed with the little girl's slaying. Karr made bizarre, detailed confessions to the killing, but authorities said DNA evidence showed he did not commit the crime.