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Cops Suspect Parents In Missing British Girl Case

 
 
Miller
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 05:53 am
McTag wrote:

Didn't the Portuguese "discover" America?


Emperor Zhu Di reached America 70 years before Columbus.
Laughing
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 05:53 am
Its not me who's being naive happycat.

I dont think you've got a clue as to whats really going on in this case.
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happycat
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 05:56 am
I'm going by what's been reported.
I think the police there don't know dick, and that the parents are caught in something - that they either initiated, or got themselves into by shear negligence.

either or
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 06:02 am
Or could it be that their daughter was abducted, that the police didnt treat it as abduction until the McCann's organised publicity and that vested interests want to pin the blame on the parents rather than acknowledge the truth?
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happycat
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 06:02 am
steve- I don't know if you're a parent, but I am.
There is no way in hell, I would have done what these parents did.
I'm not naive....in the least.
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happycat
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 06:04 am
Steve 41oo wrote:
Or could it be that their daughter was abducted, that the police didnt treat it as abduction until the McCann's organised publicity and that vested interests want to pin the blame on the parents rather than acknowledge the truth?



Like I said - either or.
If they didn't have a part in her disappearance, then they still enabled it.
They left her alone and helpless in a strange place, while they went off to have dinner.

Oh, and as far as the checking on them every few minutes....bullshit.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 06:29 am
They didn't enable the abduction, they might have been negligent, but they didnt pin a notice on the appartment door saying cute kids for grabs here.

If someone steals your car, is it your fault for leaving it in a car park?

Personally, I am convinced the McCanns are telling the truth. Why should they lie? Even if some terrible accident befell the child, do you really think they would hide the body then have dinner with friends? (With at least one other party member i.e not Gerry or Kate going back to check on the kids?).

The hire car from which the hair and body fluid were apparantly taken was rented 5 weeks after Madeleine's disappearance. So when the hunt for Madeleine was at its height, the McCanns used the vehicle to transport their child's body. Is that likely?

Carl Sagan said "Keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out"
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happycat
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 07:02 am
Walking around the grounds of the resort with a gaggle of cute little kids is advertisement enough to some predator. You don't need a sign on the door saying they're in there, but if someone were watching them and saw the parents leave alone then that was basically an open invitation.

These parents were obscenely negligent. If they had enough money to vacation there, and to go out to a nice dinner, then they could have afforded a babysitter to watch over their sleeping children for a couple hours.

steve - Don't make excuses for them. They were in the wrong from the git go.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 07:06 am
Miller wrote:
I'm surprised they know how to spell the word,
SCIENCE" in Portugal, much less perform and understanD an intensive DNA analysis.


The DNA tests were conducted by the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham, UK.
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Mame
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 09:10 am
Miller wrote:
Mame wrote:
Miller wrote:


Secondly, many parents leave their kids at home alone, while they go to work, to the store, to the gym, to visit friends, to do the wash at the laundry on the corner...

Plenty of people leave their kids at home alone for 2-6 hours, and nothing happens and no "officials" come knocking on the door to snatch the kids.

And, having grown up on the SouthSide of Chicago, I can say that the Chicago police have far to much to do, without having to track down
"home-alone" kids...This is I know as a FACT...


Well, I don't know what Twilight Zone you're living in, but leaving 2 and year olds home alone for any length of time whatsoever (never mind 2 - 6 hours!!!!!!!!) is immediate grounds for a check from the Children's Aid Society, at the very least, and apprehension and court in the normal scheme of things.

And I can't believe you are so blase about people leaving little ones alone while they "go to work, to the store, to the gym, to visit friends, to do the wash at the laundry on the corner." There is absolutely no excuse for leaving such young kids home alone. It's reprehensible.

This situation may be different in that the apartment was close to their table (wasn't it? - I can't remember what the distances were). I don't approve of their leaving them in any case, but perhaps if they were close and they made frequent checks, it could not be considered the same as "going to work or to the gym...) - that is totally negligent and unforgivable behaviour.

They should have foregone their dinner, in my opinion. Aren't their kids worth more than that? They could have had room service or ordered take out. There were other options, and look at the mess their lives are in now.



If you haven't lived in major cities of the USA such as LA, Chicago and NY, then it's you who's living in the twilight zone.

Do you know what it's like to be an unwed mother, with 10 starving kids in a 3 bed room apartment, with no money, no support systems and trying to live on a minimum wage?

If you don't you need to leave your white, diversity sparse suburban "twlight zone" and see what it feels like to be poor and trying to make ends meet.


1. If there are 10 kids, then one of them is at least 10 yrs old. Not 2 and 4.

2. Your other comment about babysitters being expensive ($15/hr), they are DOCTORS... you think they're on minimum wage? Give your head a shake!

3. No, I don't know what's it's like "o be an unwed mother, with 10 starving kids in a 3 bed room apartment, with no money, no support systems and trying to live on a minimum wage" but that doesn't mean I live in a "white, diversity sparse suburban "twlight zone". You need to stop making assumptions.

4. Just because I haven't lived in large US cities doesn't mean I live in a Twilight Zone. And child abandonment and neglect can happen anywhere.

Get a grip.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 09:37 am
happycat wrote:

These parents were obscenely negligent. If they had enough money to vacation there, and to go out to a nice dinner, then they could have afforded a babysitter to watch over their sleeping children for a couple hours.

steve - Don't make excuses for them. They were in the wrong from the git go.
They were not in some shanty town. This was a purpose built family oriented holiday complex. Kids are the norm. There was even a free baby sitting service (they could afford it anyway) which they didnt use because they felt the children were perfectly safe, and they were nearby. I'm not making excuses for them, just trying to get you to understand the circumstances in which they made the mistake. In loosing their daughter the McCann's have gone through quite enough without people with hindsight pointing the finger of blame at them. The guilty person is whoever took Madeleine. The campaign to try and implicate the McCanns in the disappearance of Madeleine is quite wicked. As I keep saying there are too many people with too much to lose if Praia da Luz is associated with child abduction.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 10:59 am
Steve 41oo wrote:
In loosing their daughter


Losing their daughter. It sounds so benign. As if they had no responsibility toward their children.

Leaving their children alone while they were out, whether it was for dinner or drinks or anything else, was negligent.

Perhaps standards are different in the U.K., but here it is illegal to leave children under the age of 10 (or 12, depending on the province) without adult supervision. It means involvement by the police, child care agencies, and frequently means loss of custody. It's not considered a minor issue.

~~~

The McCanns may have been relying on something like

Quote:
Your children are 20 times more likely to be killed by lightning than to be abducted by a stranger.
timesonline link

but children aren't shoes. You don't lose, or misplace them. You pay attention to their safety.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 11:04 am
Steve,

Are you saying that both British authorities and Portugese authorities are working to protect the Praia da Luz tourist business? The evidence collection began after British police started helping the Portugese police.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 11:41 am
ehBeth wrote:
Steve 41oo wrote:
In loosing their daughter


Losing their daughter. It sounds so benign. As if they had no responsibility toward their children.

Leaving their children alone while they were out, whether it was for dinner or drinks or anything else, was negligent.

Perhaps standards are different in the U.K., but here it is illegal to leave children under the age of 10 (or 12, depending on the province) without adult supervision. It means involvement by the police, child care agencies, and frequently means loss of custody. It's not considered a minor issue.

~~~

The McCanns may have been relying on something like

Quote:
Your children are 20 times more likely to be killed by lightning than to be abducted by a stranger.
timesonline link

but children aren't shoes. You don't lose, or misplace them. You pay attention to their safety.
did you really think I meant loss in the sense of forgot where you put it? give me abreak.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 11:49 am
wandeljw wrote:
Steve,

Are you saying that both British authorities and Portugese authorities are working to protect the Praia da Luz tourist business? The evidence collection began after British police started helping the Portugese police.
no I'm saying on top of the tragic loss of their daughter i.e. loss in the sense of she's gone missing and is probably dead- that the McCanns are being cruelly and deliberately set up. The UK has better forensic dna analysis than Portugal, what I would like to know is who gathered together the hair samples and body fluid and was it really from a car the mccanns had not hired yet or was it from the bedroom and planted in it?
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fresco
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 11:58 am
Steve,

Did you hear the description of the Portuguese police given by a guest on last week's "Any Questions" (BBC Radio 4)...?

...."Inspector Clouseau meets the Keystone Cops"....( applause from the audience).
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Mame
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 11:59 am
Actually, more evidence is coming to light:

The police have confiscated the dad's laptop...

the Portuguese and British police were quietly monitoring their emails and phone calls immediately after the child went missing...

they have discovered Madeleine was over-medicated (DNA results)...

Mom has admitted that the twins have also been medicated...

Police now have Mom's diarywhich has entries supporting her stress with Madeleine (in and of itself not a bad thing, but add it all up to paint a picture)...

I would also like to say 14 bottles of wine between 9 people over dinner is at least 1 bottle each... not exactly a sober state for anyone looking after kiddies...although, to be fair, we don't know who drank what, do we?

I am against a witchhunt based on preliminary 'evidence' which is likely not all of the evidence, but really, it's starting to look like an over-medication and cover up...

I believe there was also something on the news about they had keys to a church, was it, within one hour of their arrival... I don't know what that signifies... but apparently that is one place that cannot be accessed through a search warrant.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 12:06 pm
Well, that's all very convincing but the problem is that all of the information we have, we meaning you and I and other passive observers, is leaked speculation. None of it is official. The only official information we have is that they have been named suspects and the case was turned over to the judge.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 12:14 pm
fresco wrote:
Steve,

Did you hear the description of the Portuguese police given by a guest on last week's "Any Questions" (BBC Radio 4)...?

...."Inspector Clouseau meets the Keystone Cops"....( applause from the audience).
unwarranted generosity if you ask me Smile

Mame...when did you hear Kate McCann admitting she gave her children sedatives? I've not heard this, anyone else confirm?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 12:17 pm
Here's a good example of the speculation. The bodily fluids that supposedly show that Madeleine died of an overdose are described here.

Quote:
Intense attention has focused on what police found in the hire car rented by Madeleine's parents 25 days after she went missing. Senior sources linked to the investigation told Portuguese journalists that they discovered "bodily fluids" - not blood - with an 88% match to Madeleine's genetic profile in the boot.

Toxicological tests on the liquid show that Madeleine had consumed a "significant" quantity of sleeping tablets and may have overdosed, the French newspaper France Soir reported, citing unnamed sources in Portugal.


Isn't it possible that the fluids in question were from the mother? Isn't it likely that she required sedatives after Madeleine's disappearance? And wouldn't she have ingested those in quantities too large for a small child but just right for an adult? The car was used by 4 people (at least) who are directly related to Madeleine, so I would think the tests would have to rule out the other relatives, and 88% doesn't seem like enough of a match to do that.
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