SHOULD SEN. LARRY CRAIG RESIGN?

While I have already said that I think Craig should resign, after listening to the audio tape and reading the police report,I admit that I have questions.

The audio tape did raise some questions about the whole incident.
There are no video's of the event,and Craig did seem to be pleading innocence.

However,if you listen to the tape,Craig NEVER pled innocence,he just said the he "didnt do that".

So even if Craig is innocent,in my mind since he pled guilty he should resign.

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Once the late-night comics get a hold of the audio, Craig will be done. He may hold out through the Labor Day weekend to hope this dies down. But he will resign within the next week.

I think it is up to the people in Idaho to demand or oppose his resignation. Right now, it looks hopeless and the party will benefit from his resignation as the Governor appoints another Republican who will have an easier time to hold that seat as an incumbent.

Craig has zero chance to be re-elected.

And the fact remains that if Craig didn't believe he was guilty, his guilty plea constitutes perjury.

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Politically, for the good of his party, he should resign (although I hope he doesn't).

There is the claim that he passed the arresting officer his business card to prove since he was a Senator, he should be let off. If this is true it would be a misuse of power and a reason he should be forced to resign.

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I wouldn't think that someone residing in Egypt would be allowed to serve as Senator.

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DrewDad wrote:

I wouldn't think that someone residing in Egypt would be allowed to serve as Senator.

???

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happycat wrote:

Advocate, I'm from MD too.
Have you never people-watched on the boardwalk in OC? I just know some of those people are going back to the hotel for clown sex.

CR - Harford Co

I am originally from Balamere, and believe that you have a point there.

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This one is easy---he should resign.

It will be impossible for him to effectively represent Idaho, and for this reason alone he should resign.

If he has any loyalty to his Party, and personally I don't care whether he does or does not, he should resign.

He pled guilty to a crime. I suppose it is debatable whether or not the crime he pled to was merely a negotiated charge, but it sure seems likely that the circumstances of his arrest were a lot more specific then general public disturbance.

Whether or not he is gay is, to me immaterial, but perhaps not to the people who voted for him, and at the very least, if he is gay he is a liar and a hypocrite.

Gay or straight though, attempting to pick someone up in a public bathroom doesn't seem terribly Senatorial.

If he does love his wife and family, he will put his pride and power hunger aside and end their public humiliation.

In short, he should resign.

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mysteryman wrote:

DrewDad wrote:
I wouldn't think that someone residing in Egypt would be allowed to serve as Senator.

???

Craig is in de Nile. :wink:

ebrown - I thought I read that he passed his card to someone else, years ago, in a similar type situation. Not this time.
The card passing in this instance was the cop passing a card under the stall identifying himself as a police officer.

I listened to the tape, and it sounds as if he knew he was caught and was just fumbling for words.

On a side note: what a stinky stake out for that cop....having to sit in a men's room stall all day.

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Finn:

"If he does love his wife and family, he will put his pride and power hunger aside and end their public humiliation."

How would resignation end their public humiliation?

BTW, since Vitter effectively admitted he broke the law when he confessed to leasing women, should he also resign?

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au1929 wrote:

I am beginning to believe that the whole damn bunch of corrupt clowns that now people congress should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. In addition the moron who now occupies the oval office should be at the head of the line. We do not need a change we need an upheaval.

Understandable sentiment.(At least the first part).

Let's assume, however, that we did have an upheaval, and the whole lot of them were tossed. Who would replace them? Shining Guardians of the Public Interest? Not likely.

A certain number of reformers would fill the void but how long before they were corrupted by power (and I don't mean corruption that extended to illegality, but merely to a compromise of their ideals)?

Politics is Power. If we are lucky, our politicians will use the power for which they compete in ways that generally benefit us at least as much as they benefit them.

There are, of course, exceptions to this grim profile of a politician, but few, if any, of them are able to amass the power necessary to advance their ideals. Our best hope lies with a few Old Farts who have lived the Good and Powerful life and now at their End of Days want to "make a difference." McCain for instance.

The problem is that these reformed pimps can't get elected, and so we are left hoping that the ones who do get elected will transform once the rough stuff is over. Not very encouraging

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Advocate wrote:

Finn:

"If he does love his wife and family, he will put his pride and power hunger aside and end their public humiliation."

How would resignation end their public humiliation?

BTW, since Vitter effectively admitted he broke the law when he confessed to leasing women, should he also resign?

leasing women? LEASING women? Shocked

Is that an open-end lease?

No Vitter shouldn't resign.
Leasing a woman for sex in a private location is far different than cruising for sex in an airport bathroom.

Please don't make me resort to the hypothetical child in the bathroom again. Rolling Eyes

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Advocate wrote:

Finn:

"If he does love his wife and family, he will put his pride and power hunger aside and end their public humiliation."

How would resignation end their public humiliation?

BTW, since Vitter effectively admitted he broke the law when he confessed to leasing women, should he also resign?

Another easy one.

If he resigns he will vacate the public spotlight and his family's humiliation will too.

As for Vitter, the question is whether or not he can effectively represent the interests of his constituents. If not, he should resign.

The fact that any crime was commited or admited does not, in and of itself, require resignation. I would suggest that an honorable public servant (of any stripe) would resign in such a case, but I can accept the argument that if a scoundrel can effectively represent the interests of his constituents, and those constituents don't want him to resign, the he need not resign.

After all, look at the case of Teddy Kennedy.He is, in so many ways, responsible for the death of Mary Jo Kopechne, and yet he didn't resign, his constituents didn't demand that he resign, and since then he has ably represented their interests.

As a human being he is shite, but as an elected representative, he's top flight.

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Vitter apparently was into being diapered. Assuming there was nothing else, he could claim he was paying for an ordinary and innocuous service, and was not breaking the law.

Finn, you comments on Kennedy are dead on.

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The only thing that really matters is that the Republican party continue to be degraded, fragmented and stripped as a consequence for their own actions and nature.

Plame, Iraq, support for Bush, Cowardice, lying etc, etc.

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YEs but did he ever introduce legislation outlawing blow-jobs. I think hes being true to himself.

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[quote="Finn dAbuzz"]
After all, look at the case of Teddy Kennedy.He is, in so many ways, responsible for the death of Mary Jo Kopechne, and yet he didn't resign, his constituents didn't demand that he resign, and since then he has ably represented their interests.

As a human being he is shite, but as an elected representative, he's top flight.[/quote]

Six short years after JFK's assassination and only one year after RFK's....there's no way Teddy would have been forced out.
It may have been drunken stupidity and akin to manslaughter, but he was still considered a golden boy. He was the last Kennedy brother and the nation excused pretty much anything the Kennedy's were rumored to have done.

With Craig, it's the disregard for his own reputation, his family's well-being and reputation, his constituents back home, and not to mention the blatant hypocrisy!

We as a nation are sick of this kind of Do as I Say and Not as I Do from our legislators!

There's no time for their camps to clean up the messes before the media gets ahold of incriminating evidence. A tape such as the one we heard would never have been made public before! It would have been lost or erased (remember the famous Nixon 18 minutes?) and no one would have ever known of his indiscretion. That's how the good ol' boys stayed in office.
They have to realize that now if they do something reckless and they get caught, everyone that matters will know about it before dinner.

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Given that the trail of Craig's "interests" goes back 40 years, I'm sure he thought he was good for a while longer.

Times have changed - not sure how I feel about the degree of interest in politicians' personal lives (slowly coming to Canada from the U.S.) - but politicians have got to deal with the fact that they are public figures, and things don't stay hidden as they used to.

~~~

I don't much care what Craig or Clinton or anyone does sexually - but if they lie about it when confronted with the truth - it's hard to disguise the fact that I think they stink.

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What is so tragic about this matter is that Craig was so full of shame and fear of being exposed that he plead guilty stupidly thinking that no one would find out. He couldn't even face up to trying to defend himself in front of a judge.

The ironic part is that his denials will continue to ensure that there will be more "Larry Craigs" in the future. When will America ever grow up sexually?

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MSNBC played the taped original incident from June. The officer taped the whole thing and it was quite damning for Craig. For example Craig said twice that he agreed that his foot touched the officers, and made the 'wide stance' statement....then by the end of the discussion he said it didn't touch the officers foot.

The officer grilled him on the spot when he caught Craig lying. He also lied to the officer about what he was doing with his hand when he waved it under the stall...even lied about which hand it was. Craig said he was picking up a piece of toilet paper from behind himself which was on the floor, ew.

Craig had waved his left hand under the stall because the officer noted the wedding ring. Craig's left side was on the opposite side from the officer so he had to make an effort to reach under the stall with his left hand...although that would seem the natural way to do it.

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happycat wrote:

Please don't make me resort to the hypothetical child in the bathroom again. [/color]

But, but.... what about the hypothetical child in the whorehouse?

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