SHOULD SEN. LARRY CRAIG RESIGN?

That would be face-to-face in the case of Senator Craig unless he keeps a disguise in his briefcase. Maybe a Marilyn Monroe wig and some quick lipstick? Otherwise it's a case of one person prone, upright ( :wink: ), under the stall divider. If you have a long stance as well as a wide stance, you could end up with your feet sticking out in the second stall over.

DAAAAAAMN!
That's what I thought but I just didn't want to.
Yucky yuk yuk

You've got to remember, someone in the mating is passive while the other active. There's usually no reciprocity as there's often not enough time. If someone enters the restroom, the operations are usually temporarily or permanently shut down (or goes limp?). As someone mentioned earlier, there is the so-called "thrill" of doing it in a public place.

What if bathrooms were manned by an attendant, like in the old days?

Wouldn't that be enough to stop this kind of thing from going on? It would be cheaper for the taxpayers if they didn't have to pay for police to sit on their butts waiting o get hit on!

Attendants in a public bathroom? The cops are vice squad and sex isn't the only thing they look for -- drugs is likely as high on the list although I would imagine in a gay popular restroom, there are several arrests made every day. The taxpapers pay to be able to go into a public restroom without being harassed, or have their kids witness something they haven't perhaps discussed with them. Like I pointed out before, the beach restroom where George Michael got pinched is adjacent to the gay beach, Will Rogers State Beach. You know what he said, don't you? "I never met a man I didn't like." Well.

bm...


and I agree, this isn't about the sex or the gayness, it's about the hypocrisy. He shouldn't lose his job; it was just a misdeameanor plea.

If he leaves the Senate,
American citizens will have to pay for any indescretions of his,
in that his replacement is less likely to support liberty
as well as he has done.

David

Bill Maher said last night that the tapping each other's feet in the stall joke is getting old. Is this really going on, guys?

I first heard of it a few days ago;
not even a week.

Maher also showed a picture of a stall which blows the wide stance baloney out the window. What does one do when sitting on a public throne? They let their pants drop around their calves! Impossible to move your legs apart even remotely close to running, tapping, or whatever on the guy's shoe in the next stall. This is also the most notorious airport restroom in the country, I would assume because of the the connecting flights. Of course, it puts a whole knew connotation to making connections in airplane travel.

Exactly what has Senator Craig done to support liberty? Name three.

This is just a political witch hunt against Sen. Craig
because of his support of traditional personal freedom in America,
instead of socialistic docility and suppression by the collective.

If he were a leftist,
u 'd all be talking out of the OTHER side of your mouths.

[quote]
Exactly what has Senator Craig done to support liberty? Name three.[/quote]

I probably CAN do it.

U task me with labor, in studying his votes.
What comes most easily to mind is his consistent support
of the freedom ( protected by the Bill of Rights )
of every citizen to self defense from violent criminals or animals.

For the requested other 2,
I 'd try to find his oppostion to socialistic legislative bills
that usurp the liberty of each citizen to run his own life,
independent of the desires of damned politicians who 'd
confine him to doing their leftist authoritarian ideas of what is right, if thay can.

Speaking generally ( for the moment ),
he has been a good, reliable, pro-freedom kind of guy.
America needs more who vote his way.

I have no information qua legislation concerning homosexual marriages.
This has not been among my interests, and I have no strong opinions about it.
David

Sound and fury signifying nothing, even if it's in larger than normal fonts.

You find the facts to back up your wan assertions.

It really does not matter,
in that :

Be my fonts large or small,

1 ) He will probably resign.

2 ) If he does not resign, anti-freedom Democrats
will prevail when normally reliable conservative voters
will not be able to support someone who has been accused of being a queer.


I predict that American citizens will lose significant freedom,
in consequence of his absence.

You have a little man-love for Craig don't you David?

I think so

Just who are these freedom-hating Democrats? Or Republicans, for that matter?

Craig's voting record is freely available online

Larry Craig's votesby issues:

Larry Craig on Abortion
Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)


Larry Craig on Budget & Economy
Voted YES on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005)
Voted YES on prioritizing national debt reduction below tax cuts. (Apr 2000)
Voted YES on 1998 GOP budget. (May 1997)
Voted YES on Balanced-budget constitutional amendment. (Mar 1997)


Larry Craig on Civil Rights
Voted YES on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities & women. (Mar 1998)
Voted YES on ending special funding for minority & women-owned business. (Oct 1997)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)
Voted YES on Amendment to prohibit flag burning. (Dec 1995)
Voted YES on banning affirmative action hiring with federal funds. (Jul 1995)
Supports anti-flag desecration amendment. (Mar 2001)
Rated 25% by the ACLU, indicating an anti-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)


Larry Craig on Corporations
Click here for 4 full quotes on Corporations OR background on Corporations.
Voted NO on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on reforming bankruptcy to include means-testing & restrictions. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (Jul 2001)
Rated 91% by the US COC, indicating a pro-business voting record. (Dec 2003)

Larry Craig on Crime
Click here for 9 full quotes on Crime OR background on Crime.
Voted NO on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on $1.15 billion per year to continue the COPS program. (May 1999)
Voted YES on limiting death penalty appeals. (Apr 1996)
Voted YES on limiting product liability punitive damage awards. (Mar 1996)
Voted YES on restricting class-action lawsuits. (Dec 1995)
Voted YES on repealing federal speed limits. (Jun 1995)
Voted YES on mandatory prison terms for crimes involving firearms. (May 1994)
Voted YES on rejecting racial statistics in death penalty appeals. (May 1994)
Rated 13% by CURE, indicating anti-rehabilitation crime votes. (Dec 2000)


Larry Craig on Drugs
Voted NO on increasing penalties for drug offenses. (Nov 1999)
Voted YES on spending international development funds on drug control. (Jul 1996)


Larry Craig on Education
Voted NO on $52M for "21st century community learning centers". (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on $5B for grants to local educational agencies. (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
Voted NO on funding student testing instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
Voted NO on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction. (Apr 2001)
Voted YES on Educational Savings Accounts. (Mar 2000)
Voted YES on allowing more flexibility in federal school rules. (Mar 1999)
Voted YES on education savings accounts. (Jun 1998)
Voted YES on school vouchers in DC. (Sep 1997)
Voted YES on $75M for abstinence education. (Jul 1996)
Voted YES on requiring schools to allow voluntary prayer. (Jul 1994)
Voted NO on national education standards. (Feb 1994)
Rated 20% by the NEA, indicating anti-public education votes. (Dec 2003)


Larry Craig on Energy & Oil
Voted YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on making oil-producing and exporting cartels illegal. (Jun 2007)
Voted NO on factoring global warming into federal project planning. (May 2007)
Voted NO on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR. (Nov 2005)
Voted NO on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)
Voted NO on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003)
Voted NO on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)
Voted NO on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill. (Mar 2003)
Voted YES on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (Apr 2002)
Voted YES on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months. (Mar 2002)
Voted YES on preserving budget for ANWR oil drilling. (Apr 2000)
Voted NO on ending discussion of CAFE fuel efficiency standards. (Sep 1999)
Voted YES on defunding renewable and solar energy. (Jun 1999)
Voted YES on approving a nuclear waste repository. (Apr 1997)
Voted YES on do not require ethanol in gasoline. (Aug 1994)


Larry Craig on Environment
Voted NO on including oil & gas smokestacks in mercury regulations. (Sep 2005)
Voted YES on confirming Gale Norton as Secretary of Interior. (Jan 2001)
Voted YES on more funding for forest roads and fish habitat. (Sep 1999)
Voted YES on transportation demo projects. (Mar 1998)
Voted NO on reducing funds for road-building in National Forests. (Sep 1997)
Voted NO on continuing desert protection in California. (Oct 1994)
Voted YES on requiring EPA risk assessments. (May 1994)
Rated 0% by the LCV, indicating anti-environment votes. (Dec 2003)


Larry Craig on Families & Children
Voted YES on killing restrictions on violent videos to minors. (May 1999)
Rated 100% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record. (Dec 2003)


Larry Craig on Foreign Policy
Click here for 8 full quotes on Foreign Policy OR background on Foreign Policy.
Voted NO on enlarging NATO to include Eastern Europe. (May 2002)
Voted YES on killing a bill for trade sanctions if China sells weapons. (Sep 2000)
Voted YES on cap foreign aid at only $12.7 billion. (Oct 1999)
Voted NO on limiting the President's power to impose economic sanctions. (Jul 1998)
Voted YES on limiting NATO expansion to only Poland, Hungary & Czech. (Apr 1998)
Voted YES on $17.9 billion to IMF. (Mar 1998)
Voted YES on Strengthening of the trade embargo against Cuba. (Mar 1996)
Voted NO on ending Vietnam embargo. (Jan 1994)


Larry Craig on Free Trade
Voted YES on free trade agreement with Oman. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on establishing free trade between US & Singapore. (Jul 2003)
Voted NO on establishing free trade between the US and Chile. (Jul 2003)
Voted YES on extending free trade to Andean nations. (May 2002)
Voted YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. (Oct 2001)
Voted YES on removing common goods from national security export rules. (Sep 2001)
Voted YES on permanent normal trade relations with China. (Sep 2000)
Voted YES on expanding trade to the third world. (May 2000)
Voted YES on renewing 'fast track' presidential trade authority. (Nov 1997)
Voted YES on imposing trade sanctions on Japan for closed market. (May 1995)
Rated 75% by CATO, indicating a pro-free trade voting record. (Dec 2002)


Larry Craig on Government Reform
Voted YES on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress. (Mar 2006)
Voted NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity. (Mar 2006)
Voted NO on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads. (Mar 2002)
Voted YES on require photo ID (not just signature) for voter registration. (Feb 2002)
Voted NO on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations. (Apr 2001)
Voted YES on funding for National Endowment for the Arts. (Aug 1999)
Voted NO on favoring 1997 McCain-Feingold overhaul of campaign finance. (Oct 1997)
Voted YES on Approving the presidential line-item veto. (Mar 1996)
Voted NO on banning more types of Congressional gifts. (Jul 1995)


Larry Craig on Gun Control
Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)
Rated A+ by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record. (Dec 2003)


Larry Craig on Health Care
Voted NO on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000. (May 2006)
Voted NO on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics. (Nov 2005)
Voted NO on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Jun 2003)
Voted YES on allowing reimportation of Rx drugs from Canada. (Jul 2002)
Voted NO on allowing patients to sue HMOs & collect punitive damages. (Jun 2001)
Voted YES on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Apr 2001)
Voted NO on including prescription drugs under Medicare. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on limiting self-employment health deduction. (Jul 1999)
Voted NO on increasing tobacco restrictions. (Jun 1998)
Voted YES on Medicare means-testing. (Jun 1997)
Voted NO on medical savings acounts. (Apr 1996)
Rated 0% by APHA, indicating a anti-public health voting record. (Dec 2003)
Collect data on birth defects and present to the public. (Apr 1998)


Larry Craig on Homeland Security
Voted NO on implementing the 9/11 Commission report. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on preserving habeus corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
Voted NO on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)
Voted NO on restoring $565M for states' and ports' first responders. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on adopting the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. (Oct 1999)
Voted NO on allowing another round of military base closures. (May 1999)
Voted YES on cutting nuclear weapons below START levels. (May 1999)
Voted YES on deploying National Missile Defense ASAP. (Mar 1999)
Voted YES on military pay raise of 4.8%. (Feb 1999)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex basic training. (Jun 1998)
Voted YES on favoring 36 vetoed military projects. (Oct 1997)
Voted NO on banning chemical weapons. (Apr 1997)
Voted YES on considering deploying NMD, and amending ABM Treaty. (Jun 1996)
Voted YES on 1996 Defense Appropriations. (Sep 1995)
Rated 0% by SANE, indicating a pro-military voting record. (Dec 2003)


Larry Craig on Immigration
Voted YES on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)
Voted NO on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program. (May 2007)
Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006)
Voted NO on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)
Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006)
Voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 1998)
Voted YES on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998)
Voted YES on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)

Larry Craig on Jobs
Voted NO on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Feb 2007)
Voted NO on raising the minimum wage to $7.25 rather than $6.25. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on repealing Clinton's ergonomic rules on repetitive stress. (Mar 2001)
Voted YES on killing an increase in the minimum wage. (Nov 1999)
Voted YES on allowing workers to choose between overtime & comp-time. (May 1997)
Voted YES on replacing farm price supports. (Feb 1996)
Rated 15% by the AFL-CIO, indicating an anti-union voting record. (Dec 2003)


Larry Craig on Principles & Values
Voted YES on confirming Samuel Alito as Supreme Court Justice. (Jan 2006)
Voted YES on confirming John Roberts for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. (Sep 2005)
Religious affiliation: Methodist. (Nov 2000)
Fund the 50 States Commemorative Coin Program. (Dec 1997)


Larry Craig on Social Security
Voted YES on establishing reserve funds & pre-funding for Social Security. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on Social Security Lockbox & limiting national debt. (Apr 1999)
Voted YES on allowing Roth IRAs for retirees. (May 1998)
Voted YES on allowing personal retirement accounts. (Apr 1998)
Voted YES on deducting Social Security payments on income taxes. (May 1996)
Rated 0% by the ARA, indicating an anti-senior voting record. (Dec 2003)


Larry Craig on Tax Reform
Voted YES on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006)
Voted YES on permanently repealing the `death tax`. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut. (Feb 2006)
Voted YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years. (May 2003)
Voted NO on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates. (May 2001)
Voted NO on increasing tax deductions for college tuition. (May 2001)
Voted YES on eliminating the 'marriage penalty'. (Jul 2000)
Voted YES on across-the-board spending cut. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on requiring super-majority for raising taxes. (Apr 1998)
Rated 73% by NTU, indicating "Satisfactory" on tax votes. (Dec 2003)

Larry Craig on Technology
Voted NO on restoring $550M in funding for Amtrak for 2007. (Mar 2006)
Voted NO on disallowing FCC approval of larger media conglomerates. (Sep 2003)
Voted YES on Internet sales tax moratorium. (Oct 1998)
Voted YES on telecomm deregulation. (Feb 1996)
Promote internet via Congressional Internet Caucus. (Jan 2001)


Larry Craig on War & Peace
Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on investigating contract awards in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding. (Apr 2005)
Voted YES on $86 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Oct 2003)
Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. (Oct 2002)
Voted YES on allowing all necessary force in Kosovo. (May 1999)
Voted NO on authorizing air strikes in Kosovo. (Mar 1999)
Voted YES on ending the Bosnian arms embargo. (Jul 1995)
Move the US Embassy to Jerusalem. (Nov 1995)


Larry Craig on Welfare & Poverty
Voted YES on welfare block grants. (Aug 1996)
Voted NO on eliminating block grants for food stamps. (Jul 1996)
Voted YES on allowing state welfare waivers. (Jul 1996)
Voted YES on welfare overhaul. (Sep 1995)

Yes, in the sense of gratitude.
By his votes, and his anti-socialist rhetoric, he earned it.
He represented the core values of Individualism and Libertarianism
upon which the Republic was built, when the Hanoverian Monarchy was thrown out.

I never met him, but I knew that he was a friend,
standing guard to defend the personal liberty of each American citizen,
against collectivist authoritarianism. His vote in the Senate was reliable.

I suspect that whoever replaces him, will be worse,
and that fact threatens me. Most of the people in
this forum do not share my love of freedom,
and hence thay do not share my gratitude to Sen. Craig.

David

Craig's voting record is not the issue IMHO; it's the reputation he has created from the recent incident in the airport toilet.

I personally want him to stay on, because he will further damage the republican party's "moral rhetoric" we've been hearing for so long.

Maybe they'll quit their "party of morals" rhetoric in the future, and begin to talk about the important, realistic issues of America.

Craig's voting record IS the issue that COUNTS.
His voting record is what matters,
insofar as American freedom is concerned.

To my mind, that 's all that counts,
but this is all post-mortem analysis.

David