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SHOULD SEN. LARRY CRAIG RESIGN?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 11:41 am
Thank u, Dag.
This was all helpful and informative.
How did u get it ?
David


dagmaraka wrote:
Craig's voting record is freely available online

Larry Craig's votesby issues:

Larry Craig on Abortion
Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)


Larry Craig on Budget & Economy
Voted YES on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005)
Voted YES on prioritizing national debt reduction below tax cuts. (Apr 2000)
Voted YES on 1998 GOP budget. (May 1997)
Voted YES on Balanced-budget constitutional amendment. (Mar 1997)


Larry Craig on Civil Rights
Voted YES on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities & women. (Mar 1998)
Voted YES on ending special funding for minority & women-owned business. (Oct 1997)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)
Voted YES on Amendment to prohibit flag burning. (Dec 1995)
Voted YES on banning affirmative action hiring with federal funds. (Jul 1995)
Supports anti-flag desecration amendment. (Mar 2001)
Rated 25% by the ACLU, indicating an anti-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)


Larry Craig on Corporations
Click here for 4 full quotes on Corporations OR background on Corporations.
Voted NO on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on reforming bankruptcy to include means-testing & restrictions. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (Jul 2001)
Rated 91% by the US COC, indicating a pro-business voting record. (Dec 2003)

Larry Craig on Crime
Click here for 9 full quotes on Crime OR background on Crime.
Voted NO on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on $1.15 billion per year to continue the COPS program. (May 1999)
Voted YES on limiting death penalty appeals. (Apr 1996)
Voted YES on limiting product liability punitive damage awards. (Mar 1996)
Voted YES on restricting class-action lawsuits. (Dec 1995)
Voted YES on repealing federal speed limits. (Jun 1995)
Voted YES on mandatory prison terms for crimes involving firearms. (May 1994)
Voted YES on rejecting racial statistics in death penalty appeals. (May 1994)
Rated 13% by CURE, indicating anti-rehabilitation crime votes. (Dec 2000)


Larry Craig on Drugs
Voted NO on increasing penalties for drug offenses. (Nov 1999)
Voted YES on spending international development funds on drug control. (Jul 1996)


Larry Craig on Education
Voted NO on $52M for "21st century community learning centers". (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on $5B for grants to local educational agencies. (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
Voted NO on funding student testing instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
Voted NO on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction. (Apr 2001)
Voted YES on Educational Savings Accounts. (Mar 2000)
Voted YES on allowing more flexibility in federal school rules. (Mar 1999)
Voted YES on education savings accounts. (Jun 1998)
Voted YES on school vouchers in DC. (Sep 1997)
Voted YES on $75M for abstinence education. (Jul 1996)
Voted YES on requiring schools to allow voluntary prayer. (Jul 1994)
Voted NO on national education standards. (Feb 1994)
Rated 20% by the NEA, indicating anti-public education votes. (Dec 2003)


Larry Craig on Energy & Oil
Voted YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on making oil-producing and exporting cartels illegal. (Jun 2007)
Voted NO on factoring global warming into federal project planning. (May 2007)
Voted NO on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR. (Nov 2005)
Voted NO on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)
Voted NO on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003)
Voted NO on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)
Voted NO on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill. (Mar 2003)
Voted YES on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (Apr 2002)
Voted YES on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months. (Mar 2002)
Voted YES on preserving budget for ANWR oil drilling. (Apr 2000)
Voted NO on ending discussion of CAFE fuel efficiency standards. (Sep 1999)
Voted YES on defunding renewable and solar energy. (Jun 1999)
Voted YES on approving a nuclear waste repository. (Apr 1997)
Voted YES on do not require ethanol in gasoline. (Aug 1994)


Larry Craig on Environment
Voted NO on including oil & gas smokestacks in mercury regulations. (Sep 2005)
Voted YES on confirming Gale Norton as Secretary of Interior. (Jan 2001)
Voted YES on more funding for forest roads and fish habitat. (Sep 1999)
Voted YES on transportation demo projects. (Mar 1998)
Voted NO on reducing funds for road-building in National Forests. (Sep 1997)
Voted NO on continuing desert protection in California. (Oct 1994)
Voted YES on requiring EPA risk assessments. (May 1994)
Rated 0% by the LCV, indicating anti-environment votes. (Dec 2003)


Larry Craig on Families & Children
Voted YES on killing restrictions on violent videos to minors. (May 1999)
Rated 100% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record. (Dec 2003)


Larry Craig on Foreign Policy
Click here for 8 full quotes on Foreign Policy OR background on Foreign Policy.
Voted NO on enlarging NATO to include Eastern Europe. (May 2002)
Voted YES on killing a bill for trade sanctions if China sells weapons. (Sep 2000)
Voted YES on cap foreign aid at only $12.7 billion. (Oct 1999)
Voted NO on limiting the President's power to impose economic sanctions. (Jul 1998)
Voted YES on limiting NATO expansion to only Poland, Hungary & Czech. (Apr 1998)
Voted YES on $17.9 billion to IMF. (Mar 1998)
Voted YES on Strengthening of the trade embargo against Cuba. (Mar 1996)
Voted NO on ending Vietnam embargo. (Jan 1994)


Larry Craig on Free Trade
Voted YES on free trade agreement with Oman. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on establishing free trade between US & Singapore. (Jul 2003)
Voted NO on establishing free trade between the US and Chile. (Jul 2003)
Voted YES on extending free trade to Andean nations. (May 2002)
Voted YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. (Oct 2001)
Voted YES on removing common goods from national security export rules. (Sep 2001)
Voted YES on permanent normal trade relations with China. (Sep 2000)
Voted YES on expanding trade to the third world. (May 2000)
Voted YES on renewing 'fast track' presidential trade authority. (Nov 1997)
Voted YES on imposing trade sanctions on Japan for closed market. (May 1995)
Rated 75% by CATO, indicating a pro-free trade voting record. (Dec 2002)


Larry Craig on Government Reform
Voted YES on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress. (Mar 2006)
Voted NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity. (Mar 2006)
Voted NO on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads. (Mar 2002)
Voted YES on require photo ID (not just signature) for voter registration. (Feb 2002)
Voted NO on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations. (Apr 2001)
Voted YES on funding for National Endowment for the Arts. (Aug 1999)
Voted NO on favoring 1997 McCain-Feingold overhaul of campaign finance. (Oct 1997)
Voted YES on Approving the presidential line-item veto. (Mar 1996)
Voted NO on banning more types of Congressional gifts. (Jul 1995)


Larry Craig on Gun Control
Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)
Rated A+ by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record. (Dec 2003)


Larry Craig on Health Care
Voted NO on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000. (May 2006)
Voted NO on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics. (Nov 2005)
Voted NO on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Jun 2003)
Voted YES on allowing reimportation of Rx drugs from Canada. (Jul 2002)
Voted NO on allowing patients to sue HMOs & collect punitive damages. (Jun 2001)
Voted YES on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Apr 2001)
Voted NO on including prescription drugs under Medicare. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on limiting self-employment health deduction. (Jul 1999)
Voted NO on increasing tobacco restrictions. (Jun 1998)
Voted YES on Medicare means-testing. (Jun 1997)
Voted NO on medical savings acounts. (Apr 1996)
Rated 0% by APHA, indicating a anti-public health voting record. (Dec 2003)
Collect data on birth defects and present to the public. (Apr 1998)


Larry Craig on Homeland Security
Voted NO on implementing the 9/11 Commission report. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on preserving habeus corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
Voted NO on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)
Voted NO on restoring $565M for states' and ports' first responders. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on adopting the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. (Oct 1999)
Voted NO on allowing another round of military base closures. (May 1999)
Voted YES on cutting nuclear weapons below START levels. (May 1999)
Voted YES on deploying National Missile Defense ASAP. (Mar 1999)
Voted YES on military pay raise of 4.8%. (Feb 1999)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex basic training. (Jun 1998)
Voted YES on favoring 36 vetoed military projects. (Oct 1997)
Voted NO on banning chemical weapons. (Apr 1997)
Voted YES on considering deploying NMD, and amending ABM Treaty. (Jun 1996)
Voted YES on 1996 Defense Appropriations. (Sep 1995)
Rated 0% by SANE, indicating a pro-military voting record. (Dec 2003)


Larry Craig on Immigration
Voted YES on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)
Voted NO on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program. (May 2007)
Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006)
Voted NO on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)
Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006)
Voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 1998)
Voted YES on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998)
Voted YES on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)

Larry Craig on Jobs
Voted NO on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Feb 2007)
Voted NO on raising the minimum wage to $7.25 rather than $6.25. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on repealing Clinton's ergonomic rules on repetitive stress. (Mar 2001)
Voted YES on killing an increase in the minimum wage. (Nov 1999)
Voted YES on allowing workers to choose between overtime & comp-time. (May 1997)
Voted YES on replacing farm price supports. (Feb 1996)
Rated 15% by the AFL-CIO, indicating an anti-union voting record. (Dec 2003)


Larry Craig on Principles & Values
Voted YES on confirming Samuel Alito as Supreme Court Justice. (Jan 2006)
Voted YES on confirming John Roberts for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. (Sep 2005)
Religious affiliation: Methodist. (Nov 2000)
Fund the 50 States Commemorative Coin Program. (Dec 1997)


Larry Craig on Social Security
Voted YES on establishing reserve funds & pre-funding for Social Security. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on Social Security Lockbox & limiting national debt. (Apr 1999)
Voted YES on allowing Roth IRAs for retirees. (May 1998)
Voted YES on allowing personal retirement accounts. (Apr 1998)
Voted YES on deducting Social Security payments on income taxes. (May 1996)
Rated 0% by the ARA, indicating an anti-senior voting record. (Dec 2003)


Larry Craig on Tax Reform

Voted YES on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006)
Voted YES on permanently repealing the `death tax`. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut. (Feb 2006)
Voted YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years. (May 2003)
Voted NO on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates. (May 2001)
Voted NO on increasing tax deductions for college tuition. (May 2001)
Voted YES on eliminating the 'marriage penalty'. (Jul 2000)
Voted YES on across-the-board spending cut. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on requiring super-majority for raising taxes. (Apr 1998)
Rated 73% by NTU, indicating "Satisfactory" on tax votes. (Dec 2003)

Larry Craig on Technology
Voted NO on restoring $550M in funding for Amtrak for 2007. (Mar 2006)
Voted NO on disallowing FCC approval of larger media conglomerates. (Sep 2003)
Voted YES on Internet sales tax moratorium. (Oct 1998)
Voted YES on telecomm deregulation. (Feb 1996)
Promote internet via Congressional Internet Caucus. (Jan 2001)


Larry Craig on War & Peace
Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on investigating contract awards in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding. (Apr 2005)
Voted YES on $86 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Oct 2003)
Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. (Oct 2002)
Voted YES on allowing all necessary force in Kosovo. (May 1999)
Voted NO on authorizing air strikes in Kosovo. (Mar 1999)
Voted YES on ending the Bosnian arms embargo. (Jul 1995)
Move the US Embassy to Jerusalem. (Nov 1995)


Larry Craig on Welfare & Poverty
Voted YES on welfare block grants. (Aug 1996)
Voted NO on eliminating block grants for food stamps. (Jul 1996)
Voted YES on allowing state welfare waivers. (Jul 1996)
Voted YES on welfare overhaul. (Sep 1995)
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 11:45 am
ummm, i googled "larry craig's voting record"

that's all one usually has to do.
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happycat
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 11:50 am
So David, you're saying that a candidate has to watch his P's & Q's during his campaign, saying the right things, shaking the right hands, kissing the right babies....and making sure nothing he says or does impugns his integrity just so he can be elected to office.
THEN, once he's elected he can do whatever he wants as long as he votes according to his constituents wishes?

He can fake his way thru the campaign, hiding possible important character flaws, but as long as he votes right, he's an ok guy to represent a group of people??

I'm sorry, but I'd like to think that isn't the norm.
I don't think that's what most voters want. We are all accustomed to small white lies and omissions from candidates during the campaign, but we like to think that the person we're voting for is basically a good person and won't embarrass us once we place our vote and elect them.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 11:59 am
dagmaraka wrote:
ummm, i googled "larry craig's voting record"

that's all one usually has to do.

Thanks for the Google tip, Dag.
I am better off for your advice,
than I was b4.

David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 12:39 pm
happycat wrote:


[quote]So David, you're saying that a candidate has to watch his P's & Q's during his campaign,
saying the right things, shaking the right hands, kissing the right babies....
and making sure nothing he says or does impugns his integrity just so he can be elected to office.

Yes.
Failure to do that,
will condemn his to defeat, and he will be of no effect.




Quote:

THEN, once he's elected he can do whatever he wants
as long as he votes according to his constituents wishes?

Yes, however,
he takes an oath to support and defend the US Constitution,
so he shud do THAT.




Quote:
He can fake his way thru the campaign,
hiding possible important character flaws,
but as long as he votes right, he's an ok guy to represent a group of people??

YES.




Quote:
I'm sorry, but I'd like to think that isn't the norm.

U can think whatever u want,
but, regardless of what u choose to believe,
it has been the norm since time immemorial.








Quote:
I don't think that's what most voters want.

What thay ( or I ) WANT, that has no effect upon
the basic structure of the political environment.




Quote:
We are all accustomed to small white lies and omissions from candidates during the campaign,
but we like to think that the person we're voting for
is basically a good person

U will not get a consensus
as to what defines basically a good person.

I have my opinion of that.
U have yours.
Mao had his.
The Emperor of Japan had his.
Stalin had his.
Hitler had his.
Roosevelt had his.
Pol Pot had his.
Jeffrey Dahmer had his ( possibly based upon flavor ).
Mother Teresa had hers.







Quote:
and won't embarrass us once we place our vote and elect them.

Thay will not embarass us.
Thay r responsible for their own personal conduct.
We r not.

David
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 12:57 pm
Well, I don't care what anybody does in any bathroom *as long as* they don't bother other people. Craig was bothering other people. It's like the
old libertarian saying: "Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins"

as a politician, i only care about his voting record, too. To me, it looks appalling. And I am neither Democrat, nor republican (nor do I care about this bipolar vision of the world). I will not miss him one bit if he goes.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 01:37 pm
dagmaraka wrote:


Quote:
Well, I don't care what anybody does in any bathroom *as long as* they don't bother other people.
Craig was bothering other people.

Wud u say the same,
if he had offered the the secret police officer
a sale of merchandise, e.g., the sale of his watch ?

Do u see that as bothering other people ?

( I must admit, that if I were in a men 's room
and were sexually approached by a deviant, as a heterosexual, I wud be bothered by that. )




Quote:

It's like the
old libertarian saying:
"Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins"

Just for the hell of it,
let me take a devil 's advocate position:
Wud u say the same thing of a man who approached
a delightful young lady for a date,
in a place of public accomodation ?



Quote:
as a politician, i only care about his voting record, too.
To me, it looks appalling.
And I am neither Democrat, nor republican
(nor do I care about this bipolar vision of the world).
I will not miss him one bit if he goes.

I suspect that only lovers of individual freedom in America
will join me in my sadness ( and fear ) regarding his departure.

David
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 01:48 pm
if someone approaches me in a bar asking for a date, no, that's not trespassing of my privacy. i have a choice to a) not speak to that person, b) speak and refuse the offer, c) speak and accept.... etc.
if someone-man or a woman, is bothering me while i'm sitting on a toilet (hello!) - yes, that is trespassing. actually even if someone is approaching someone else (not me) to solicit sex in the bathroom is trespassing my privacy. i do not wish to be witness to other people's sexual foreplays and intercourses. that belongs in private, not public spaces. post a friggin personal ad and book a hotel room.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 01:50 pm
Maybe David has a real problem with "privacy."
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 02:00 pm
i thought he said that if someone approached him in the bathroom, it would have bothered him, too.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 03:46 pm
dagmaraka wrote:
if someone approaches me in a bar asking for a date, no, that's not trespassing of my privacy. i have a choice to a) not speak to that person, b) speak and refuse the offer, c) speak and accept.... etc.
if someone-man or a woman, is bothering me while i'm sitting on a toilet (hello!) - yes, that is trespassing. actually even if someone is approaching someone else (not me) to solicit sex in the bathroom is trespassing my privacy. i do not wish to be witness to other people's sexual foreplays and intercourses. that belongs in private, not public spaces. post a friggin personal ad and book a hotel room.

YES.
I have to agree with u, Dag.
U put it very well.

David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 03:53 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Maybe David has a real problem with "privacy."

No.
My privacy has been well respected.
I have no complaints.

Over the decades, a couple of queers
have approached me in the streets,
asking for directions.

That is not as bad as being accosted in the bathroom
( as Dag described so eloquently ).

David
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 04:06 pm
For some unknown reason, this quote stuck in my mind.

David: This is just a political witch hunt against Sen. Craig
because of his support of traditional personal freedom in America,
instead of socialistic docility and suppression by the collective.

If he were a leftist,
u 'd all be talking out of the OTHER side of your mouths.


I may have over-interpreted your defense of Craig in which case I apologize.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 04:28 pm
OK
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 04:52 pm
What, directions on a location or how to unbuckle your pants?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 05:24 pm
Lightwizard wrote:
What, directions on a location or how to unbuckle your pants?

The former wud have led to the latter,
if I 'd allowed it.


It became necessary for me to be loud n rude
in rejecting his company ( both times ) in order to persuade him
to leave my side, as he strode along next to me.

I don 't know whether this is true,
but I have read that in San Francisco,
u have to slug them, in order to get them to leave u alone.




Sex is a form of insanity.
It is not logical.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 05:29 pm
Animals are hard-wired for sex. It's beyond our "control."
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 05:47 pm
dagmaraka wrote:
if someone approaches me in a bar asking for a date,
no, that's not trespassing of my privacy.
i have a choice to a) not speak to that person,
b) speak and refuse the offer, c) speak and accept.... etc.
if someone-man or a woman, i
s bothering me while i'm sitting on a toilet (hello!) - yes, that is trespassing.

SUPPLEMENT:
On reflection, I remember several decades ago,
in my early youth, before I attended law school,
I had a white collar job in a corporation.

A senior lady on-the-job once tried to send me into the men 's room,
to inform someone that he had received a fone call.
I deemed her to be out-of-line in demanding a breach of propriety n privacy.

I refused compliance, telling her that if he were in there,
he shud not be disturbed until he got out.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 05:54 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Animals are hard-wired for sex. It's beyond our "control."

AGREED.
The animal part of his nature
appears to have overcome the judgment of this unfortunate senator,
resulting in disaster for his career and reputation.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 10:03 am
His newly hired consul made a statement today that Craig did not knowingly or intelligently enter his guilty plea. Do we really need someone in the Senate or in any station of government that doesn't knowingly and intelligently initiate, work on or vote on legislation that affects our lives and pocketbooks? Billy Martin, his attorney (isn't that the attorney from the musical "Chicago?") is trying to get the plea withdrawn and although Craig has resigned as of September 30th, may consider not resigning if can get the guilty plea reversed. The defense is going to be based on Craig walking across nearly the entire airport from his connected flights to a restroom that is one of the most notorious gay pick-up johns, moved his foot (shoe) and picked up a piece of toilet paper off of the floor. I think this is another wide stance, or rather unbelievable stance that the vice officer is going to blow (double entendre intended) out of the water. Craig may have a chance in the officer not whispering through the stall if he wanted to be passive or active but usually that's something that happens right away instead of an arrest. We might see who has the most penetrating ( :wink: ) testimony. I really want to read how one spreads their legs with their pants down around their ankles in order to touch the show of the occupant in the next stall. I, for one, would never think of picking up anything up off the floor of any public restroom stalls.

This is going to be interesting because of the notoriety. Usually on a misdemeanor such as this the attorney doesn't show up at court on the court date. He simply instructs the client to plead guilty of a lesser charge.

On any employment application it asks whether or not your were ever arrested. This can be expunged after the probation time to not show up to public view but government agencies can still see the guilty plea or conviction.
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