NORTH KOREA CONDUCTS NUCLEAR TEST

It is truly the big lie to say that Clinton's approach to NK didn't work. All evidence shows otherwise.

Like I said another American screw up. Decades of threats diplomacy sticks carrots sanctions blockades talks and no talks resulting in precisely the opposite of what everyone wanted.

Why did dprk want the bomb anyway?

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This the first official US confirmation that a nuclear detonation took place.

and why are the Americans so slow on the uptake? The Russians said within hours if not minutes that this was a bone fide nuclear explosion. Are American nuclear experts just a bit dim or something?

If Bush had not put DPRK in the cross hairs for regime change they would never have been given that final incentive to push for nuclear weapons.

America takes the lead in all these big global issues ....

... and inevitably screw up, or so it seems.

What the hell was wrong with letting the regime there go its own sweet little paranoid way, give them a little help, show them you respect their right to be different, and let it collapse naturally.

Instead the Americans have backed them into a corner where they feel the only form of defense is the threat of overwhelming attack. The regime will still collapse but the chances of it exploding rather than imploding are made worse.

Labelling the triad of Iran, Iraq and DPRK as the "Axis of Evil" did not put them in the crosshairs. It labelled them justly as world events have shown.

McGentrix wrote:

Labelling the triad of Iran, Iraq and DPRK as the "Axis of Evil" did not put them in the crosshairs. It labelled them justly as world events have shown.

You are probably right. However, once again, America is being sucked into a conflict we need not be involved with.

This is a regional issue for China, Japan and S. Korea mainly to deal with.

We have 30K soldiers who are nothing more than a spped bump if NK ever makes their move.

Ask yourself, is NK worth the life of ONE American Soldier?

Ask youself, what exactly do we need to negotiate with NK for? What vital asset do they have that we need?

I am not sure GW is handeling this properly.

woiyo wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

Labelling the triad of Iran, Iraq and DPRK as the "Axis of Evil" did not put them in the crosshairs. It labelled them justly as world events have shown.

You are probably right. However, once again, America is being sucked into a conflict we need not be involved with.

This is a regional issue for China, Japan and S. Korea mainly to deal with.

We have 30K soldiers who are nothing more than a spped bump if NK ever makes their move.

Ask yourself, is NK worth the life of ONE American Soldier?

Ask youself, what exactly do we need to negotiate with NK for? What vital asset do they have that we need?

I am not sure GW is handeling this properly.

NK isnt worth the life of one soldier,I agree.
BUT,South Korea is.
We have a treaty to help defend SK if they are attacked,are you suggesting we revoke that treaty?

And that 30,000 man "speed bump" while not able to defend SK alone,are enough to slow NK down enough to allow other American AND UN forces to pour into SK.
And you forget the US Navy,which has the power to destroy any NK vanguard that invades the south.


As for negotiating with NK,Bush isnt negotiating.
That is what many on the left are complaining about.

If Bush had not put DPRK in the cross hairs for regime change they would never have been given that final incentive to push for nuclear weapons. America takes the lead in all these big global issues and inevitably screw up, or so it seems. What the hell was wrong with letting the regime there go its own sweet little paranoid way, give them a little help, show them you respect their right to be different, and let it collapse naturally. Instead the Americans have backed them into a corner where they feel the only form of defense is the threat of overwhelming attack. The regime will still collapse but the chances of it exploding rather than imploding are made worse.

SEOUL, Oct. 20 (UPI) -- North Korea's leader told China's envoy that his nation would join nuclear talks if U.S.-led financial sanctions were lifted, a Seoul media report said Friday.

Kim Thursday met State Councilor Tang Jiaxuan, who was visiting Pyongyang as President Hu Jintao's special envoy. During the meeting Tang passed on a verbal message from Hu, reported the Chosun Ilbo, South Korea's largest newspaper, citing diplomatic sources in Beijing. "If the United States makes a concession to some degree, we will also make a concession to some degree, for whether bilateral talks or six-party (nuclear) talks," Kim was quoted as telling Tang.

Kim also expressed regret at the North's nuclear test on Oct. 9, which forced China to join hands with other U.N. countries to impose sanctions on the North.

The report comes after U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said in Seoul that the United States would "leave open the path of negotiations" to resolve the North's nuclear crisis, calling for Pyongyang to return to the six-party talks aimed at resolving the nuclear standoff in a diplomatic manner.

North Korea's leader Kim Jong-il told a visiting Chinese envoy the North had no plans to conduct more nuclear tests, South Korea's Yonhap news agency says.
Mr Kim made the comment during a meeting with Tang Jiaxuan in Pyongyang on Thursday, Yonhap said.

Mr Tang was sent by China's President Hu Jintao to urge the Stalinist state not to repeat its 9 October test.

The first test resulted in international outrage and UN sanctions being brought against North Korea.

China is North Korea's closest ally and has publicly warned the North not to test another weapon, reportedly threatening to cut off vital oil supplies if it goes ahead.

The BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes in Beijing says the threat to the oil supply demonstrates just how angry and frustrated China now is with its erstwhile friend and ally.

Speaking after his meeting with the reclusive North Korean leader, Mr Tang, who delivered a personal message from Mr Hu, said that his visit had "not been in vain".

He did not elaborate, publicly, on the goals of his visit.

But China's foreign minister, Li Zhaoxing, later said Mr Tang had spoken to the North Korean leader about how to kick-start six-nation talks on resolving North Korea's nuclear ambitions which have been stalled since late 2005.

The US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is in Beijing as part of an Asian tour to rally support against North Korea.

Speaking of Mr Tang's visit, Ms Rice said that he had sent a "strong message" to North Korea over the "seriousness" of its nuclear test.

I guess no one noticed Finn's afterthought a few pages back. According to the admittedly sparse information coming out of North Korea; Kim is responsible for at least a couple million, if not as many as many as ten million dead North Koreans.

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It seems the propoganda machine is working overtime to make Kim into more of a monster than he is. Next we will hear he is killing babies with pitchforks.