I spit my coffee at "a cold chop."
It's a nice way to think, Mc,
"I'm fat, but that guy's fatter so maybe I'm not so fat, except that I am."
When I first saw mc's avatar, I thought, oh a Buddist.
You see how appearances can be misleading.
Joe
McGentrix wrote:Wow! How many of those were for the following reasons?
Quote:death penalty can be imposed for murder, rape, apostasy, armed robbery, drug trafficking and repeated drug use.
Why, I'll bet everyone of those executed in Texas were convicted murderers who had a fair trial and were executed under the US Law. I will even go out on a limb and say that NOT ONE was executed for taking drugs!
Many of those people in the US were executed for doing nothing at all. Many were found inocent after they were dead! Fair trial my ass!
Montana wrote:McGentrix wrote:Wow! How many of those were for the following reasons?
Quote:death penalty can be imposed for murder, rape, apostasy, armed robbery, drug trafficking and repeated drug use.
Why, I'll bet everyone of those executed in Texas were convicted murderers who had a fair trial and were executed under the US Law. I will even go out on a limb and say that NOT ONE was executed for taking drugs!
Many of those people in the US were executed for doing nothing at all. Many were found inocent after they were dead! Fair trial my ass!
Exactly Montana. Have you seen the DNA fiasco in Harris County (Houston) alone? Texas justice... but Judge, I'm SURE that boy needed killin'!
I take it most if not all are adverse to capital punishment. Is it never justified? More often or not I seen reports of crimes where nothing less than the death penalty is warranted and it is not administered. NY state has a death penalty law however, it is never imposed.
GreenEyes wrote:Montana wrote:McGentrix wrote:Wow! How many of those were for the following reasons?
Quote:death penalty can be imposed for murder, rape, apostasy, armed robbery, drug trafficking and repeated drug use.
Why, I'll bet everyone of those executed in Texas were convicted murderers who had a fair trial and were executed under the US Law. I will even go out on a limb and say that NOT ONE was executed for taking drugs!
Many of those people in the US were executed for doing nothing at all. Many were found inocent after they were dead! Fair trial my ass!
Exactly Montana. Have you seen the DNA fiasco in Harris County (Houston) alone? Texas justice... but Judge, I'm SURE that boy needed killin'!
Exactly! What scares me the most is that some people think that their government, courts, and law enforcers can do no wrong. People who are politically brainwashed are the scariest people of all. These are the people who are too blind by their own love of their country to see the injustices and can't even see when they are losing more and more of their freedom every day.
I, for one, am always opposed to the death penality.
McGentrix
By the way, I hunted a ton of information to give you proof behind my words that you asked me for. I'm still waiting on any comments you have on that information.
Montana wrote:McGentrix
By the way, I hunted a ton of information to give you proof behind my words that you asked me for. I'm still waiting on any comments you have on that information.
Still digesting it...I'll get back to ya.
au
What constitutes 'warrant' for capital punishment? Someone somewhere is really offended, so will feel better?
Capital punishment simply gratifies the human desire for revenge. I wouldn't even necessarily object to the practice on that basis--but i would very forcefully point out that when DNA evidence is properly handled, it has again and again provided proof of the innocence of people convicted of murder and rape--and far too much evidence now exists that state crime labs don't live up to undergraduate school standards of proof and review, and that many are the cat's paws of prosecutors or state officials. Given that we assume an accused's innocence until guilt is proven, it is a sad thought that we then rush to execution when the means to verify evidence is available and goes unconsulted, or the means are warped and stunted by the agendae of self-interested lawyers and politicians. The unreliability of crime lab procedures was a topic of NPR's Talk of the Nation yesterday afternoon, and i suggest going to NPR's site for a read on that very interesting and disturbing topic.
blatham
I will give you one example. When thugs went into a Wendy's tied up the employees and executed them. That warrants the death penalty. There are many times when guilt or innocence is not in question regarding the perpetrator of a heinous crime.
Is it revenge or punishment? No doubt a little of both. Is the death penalty justified?
In my opinion it is.
Does any one have a breakdown of how many executions there were in the US, state by state in the last year or two?
I guess my original intent of this thread was to ask the question "Are you better off living in America or Elsewhere?" I had hoped for more support of America over the atrocoties commited in Saudi Arabia. Both countries have there faults, obviously, but if I posed the question "would you rather live in the US or Saudi Arabia", what would your answer be?
au - I agree, I would want to see those people dead. But this is not a right I wish to concede to the state -- the right to kill, especially given the state of the criminal justice system. In this one instance would I favor execution? Yes. But I would rather deny the state that ability so that it cannot become a problem in much more marginal cases.
mcgent - Well, if that's all you want to know, then I would rather live in the U.S. than Saudi Arabia. I'd also rather have pneumonia than tuberculosis -- but that doesn't mean if I have the former I'll be content with it just because someone else has the latter.
"I'd rather be a sparrow than a snail,
yes i would, if i could"
I would ask is there a country where you would rather be a citizen of. What country is "better" than the US. IMO there is none better. I will tell you what my mother once told me. The only place one finds perfection is in the grave yard.
To be honest, I'd rather live in Saudi Arabia.
But I am limitted by my finances and my ability to find work there.
Could anyone among the patriotic please help me out,
so I could let the door hit me on the ass?
Think of it as cleansing America!
All I ask is a few dollars from each of the flag-wavers,
and I'll be out of your way for at least a year or two.
It would be so nice -- to learn just a little bit about that culture.
Thanks, in advance!
I hope to someday be a resident of Canada, and i'd much rather live there. I have a great pride in my native citizenship, and will never give it up--but it is precisely because i feel an acute, deep love of my native land that i will speak out against the wrongs done to its people by the arrogant and venal in public office. As well, the bald statement that one prefers one's native land to another in no way constitutes a statement that there is something wrong with all other countries.
Why do i want to live in Canadia? Well, most food is cheaper there, even in a metropolis such as Tarana--this sort of thing is a big consideration to me. There is a great diversity in the population, but the politics of envy and hatred are noticeably absent. People are friendly and courteous (sure there's jerks, but there is a social ethos to treat one another well). Big reason: my Lovey lives there. And, finally, i like cold weather--if you don't believe that, ask Lovey.
This thread has been a largely futile exercise, because of the penchant McG has for trying to pick an argument by oblique means. McG doesn't start with the question of which nation we would prefer, but rather with a posting intended to libel the Saudis, and imply that anyone criticizing this nation should go live somewhere else and see how they like it. How childish. What the Liberal members here object to is the policy of the current rogue administration. To love one's homeland is not automatically to love and be uncritical of that nation's government.
I've written elsewhere here that everyone, even if unknowingly, loves the smell of their native soil. And i will post again those tired old lines they crammed down our throats in Eisenhower America, but which took on a very special meaning for me after being stationed overseas, and returning home:
Breathes there a man with soul so dead
Who never to himself has said
"This is my own, my native land"?
Yes, McG, with the Shrub and his criminal gang in charge, America REALLY is that bad.
dlowan
Quote:Begs the question a bit as to why you opened a discussion that appears to centre around capital punishment and its contribution to negative world views of the US?
Capital punishment is I would think the subject of this post. References to it are seen throughout.
