Is abortion really wrong?

RL--
I can get with that, assuming that by "abortionists" you only mean those who perform abortions and not the pregnant women, themselves. I see no need to punish them, although they obviously need some kind of help.

Real life doesn't answer questions.

Real Life - "If all abortion was illegal. Would we as a culture be able to take care of all of the children?"

then I am still trying to figure out how that relates to whether or not the unborn should be killed.

real life wrote:

then I am still trying to figure out how that relates to whether or not the unborn should be killed.

And whether it is your call to decide for everyone else.

real life, I do like this new soft approach but just to be clear....

You want a foetus to have full human rights from day one, and you want the death penalty for murder?

Perhaps we should give some thought to which actions (by any woman who has sex) may be considered negligent homicide for miscarriage? Remember that almost 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage.

East St. Louis, Ill.

Psychological exam ordered for woman

A judge on Monday ordered a psychological examination for a woman accused of killing a pregnant acquaintance and cutting her fetus from her womb.

Tiffany Hall, 24, is being held on a $5 million bond. Prosecutors say she killed Jimella Tunstall, 23, who was about seven months pregnant, and her fetus.

St. Clair County Associate Judge Heinz Rudolf entered not-guilty pleas on Hall's behalf on charges of first-degree murder and intentional homicide of an unborn child.

Pulaski County jurors convicted Luther D. Martin, 25, on Tuesday of two counts of first-degree murder in the death of Jerae James, 17, and her unborn child.

On Wednesday, jurors began hearing testimony in the sentencing phase of the death-penalty trial, hearing from James' mother about the effect of the killing on her family, from relatives of Martin and from jailers who said he was a model inmate.

A jury of David Green's peers found him guilty of the murder of his wife and unborn son. He killed her, for whatever reasons.

real life wrote:

then I am still trying to figure out how that relates to whether or not the unborn should be killed.

And whether it is your call to decide for everyone else.

Consequences of illegal abortion in Portugal
At least 20.000 illegal abortions are performed in Portugal each year. As a result of complications of these illegal abortions around 5000 women are attended in hospitals every year and approximately 100 women have died unnecessary in the last 20 years. (figures of Portuguese health ministry, information AFP). This means a woman in Portugal has an up to 150 times higher risk to die from an abortion than a woman living in the Netherlands.

The restrictive abortion laws in Portugal also result in abortion tourism to Spain. But many women can not afford a journey to Spain or a safe illegal and expensive abortion in Portugal. Especially women without the means for a medically safe abortion (poor women, minors, less-informed women and those living in rural areas) will turn to unsafe abortion practices with little emotional support.

Ahhh, the old "no longer my problem" defense echi. Quite logically defendable, but from where I sit, cruel and inhuman.

Consider the case of a 14 year old girl pregnant with her father's child who fears being killed by her father if anyone finds out. Back alley is fine with you is it?

"Governments have to assess the health impact of unsafe abortion, reduce the need for abortion through expanded and improved family planning services, and frame abortion laws and policies on the basis of a commitment to women's health and well-being rather than on criminal codes and punitive measures. [...] Women who wish to terminate their pregnancies should have ready access to reliable information, compassionate counselling and in parallel, services for the prevention of unwanted pregnancy and management of complications." (From: Unsafe abortion: Global and regional estimates of incidence of a mortality due to unsafe abortion with a listing of available country data - Third edition, 1997 - Ref. WHO/RHT/MSM/97.16).

Consider the case of a 14 year old girl pregnant with her father's child who fears being killed by her father if anyone finds out.

Diest TKO wrote:

Real life doesn't answer questions.

If you are referring to this:

Diest TKO wrote:

Real Life - "If all abortion was illegal. Would we as a culture be able to take care of all of the children?"

then I am still trying to figure out how that relates to whether or not the unborn should be killed.

Are you saying that poor folks should abort, but the rich need not do so?

That was certainly the attitude of the early abortion advocates such as Margaret Sanger. They advocated abortion as being helpful in eliminating the poor, the uneducated and minorities.

Today Planned Parenthood continues that focus, having the majority of their US abortion clinics in areas with a high percentage of minority population, and expending considerable effort in third world countries among poorer and less educated populations.

Diest TKO wrote:

Real life doesn't answer questions.

If you are referring to this:

Diest TKO wrote:

Real Life - "If all abortion was illegal. Would we as a culture be able to take care of all of the children?"

then I am still trying to figure out how that relates to whether or not the unborn should be killed.

Are you saying that poor folks should abort, but the rich need not do so?

That was certainly the attitude of the early abortion advocates such as Margaret Sanger. They advocated abortion as being helpful in eliminating the poor, the uneducated and minorities.

Today Planned Parenthood continues that focus, having the majority of their US abortion clinics in areas with a high percentage of minority population, and expending considerable effort in third world countries among poorer and less educated populations.

real life wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Real life doesn't answer questions.

If you are referring to this:

Diest TKO wrote:

Real Life - "If all abortion was illegal. Would we as a culture be able to take care of all of the children?"

then I am still trying to figure out how that relates to whether or not the unborn should be killed.

Are you saying that poor folks should abort, but the rich need not do so?

That was certainly the attitude of the early abortion advocates such as Margaret Sanger. They advocated abortion as being helpful in eliminating the poor, the uneducated and minorities.

Today Planned Parenthood continues that focus, having the majority of their US abortion clinics in areas with a high percentage of minority population, and expending considerable effort in third world countries among poorer and less educated populations.

You've still FAILED to answer the question. You can cite others very well, but answer the question.

real life wrote:

Eorl wrote:

Consider the case of a 14 year old girl pregnant with her father's child who fears being killed by her father if anyone finds out.

A 14 year old who is pregnant with anybody's child is a victim of statutory rape in many jurisdictions.

Why should the rapist be protected?

Abortion clinics who do procedures on underage girls do not report that a crime has been committed, although the law often requires that suspected sexual assault, molestation or abuse of a minor must be reported.

Abortion clinics are given a pass on this routinely and the rapists are protected.

Should abortion clinics protect rapists, Eorl?

Yep.

First I would protect the victim. If the perpetrator is protected as a consequence then so-be-it.

Did you think abortion clinics have those policies so that the rapists could drum up more business ?