Is abortion really wrong?

Ethmer wrote:

 
"Ethmer, do you think it is the woman's choice to drown a two year old? How are the two situations different to you?"

Yes, it is her choice but she then has to suffer the consequences that society establishes for murder. The difference in the two situations is that one is a separate individual self-sustaining intelligent life whereas the other is not.
 

Interesting criteria that you are seeking to establish before granting the right of life to a human being:

"Separate individual" -- please define what makes one a separate individual. The unborn has a unique DNA pattern that does not match his/her mother's. His/her body is not part of the mother's, although they are connected. Is he/she a separate individual? If not, why not? How about Siamese twins? They are connected physically -- are they separate individuals?

"Self-sustaining" -- please define what makes one self sustaining. Is a newborn self sustaining? He will die without constant care. In what sense is he self sustaining?

"Intelligent" -- please define what makes one intelligent enough to qualify. Do persons in a coma count as intelligent? What about newborns? How about developmentally disabled? Are these intelligent enough to earn the right to life in your view?

Ethmer, just because that is the case in some places now doesn't make it objectively "right".

real life wrote:

Ethmer wrote:

 
"Ethmer, do you think it is the woman's choice to drown a two year old? How are the two situations different to you?"

Yes, it is her choice but she then has to suffer the consequences that society establishes for murder. The difference in the two situations is that one is a separate individual self-sustaining intelligent life whereas the other is not.
 

Interesting criteria that you are seeking to establish before granting the right of life to a human being:

"Separate individual" -- please define what makes one a separate individual. The unborn has a unique DNA pattern that does not match his/her mother's. His/her body is not part of the mother's, although they are connected. Is he/she a separate individual? If not, why not? How about Siamese twins? They are connected physically -- are they separate individuals?

"Self-sustaining" -- please define what makes one self sustaining. Is a newborn self sustaining? He will die without constant care. In what sense is he self sustaining?

"Intelligent" -- please define what makes one intelligent enough to qualify. Do persons in a coma count as intelligent? What about newborns? How about developmentally disabled? Are these intelligent enough to earn the right to life in your view?

A human being becomes so and earns the right to life at the time it is born. A fetus only has those rights granted by the mother and society.
 

Okay, i think abortion is fine, i understand why ppl think its murder.....

But it isnt for the goverment to decide! i say free choice. If you hate abortion you dont have to get one! But if we outlaw it there will still be black market surgens who could do it, and that is a scary thing to think of.
So i say free choice show stay.

Is abortion really wrong?

Yes

Why
Your killing a life!

Simple.

No ifs and or but's, no one has the right to commit MURDER.
and ABORTION IS MURDER.

I'll have to agree with you there, Scott. Let's see how well the logic of your argument flies with Frank.

Is eating fish really wrong?

Yes

Why
Your(sic) killing a life!
Simple.
No ifs and or but's, no one has the right to commit MURDER.
and Eating Fish IS MURDER.

You'll need a much better argument than simply stating your opposition scott, no matter how forcefully you put it...you're still wrong.

As many so-called "pro-life" people do, you've ignored the question of "Is a foetus a complete human being with full rights" and assumed the answer is obvious (which it clearly is NOT or abortion would be illegal everywhere and most civil rights activists would be against it instead of FOR it) You've jumped directly to the next stage having ignored the real issue because it's too hard. Screaming murder is easy. Cruel, self-rightious and arrogant...but easy.

Let me give an example of what you're doing in case you are a bit slow. It's like you are saying, about a man accused of rape, that it's obvious he should be punished. All people who disagree are SUPPORTING RAPE!!! Well yeah....let's have the trial first shall we, and see if he is in fact guilty before you accuse us of supporting rape.

I dont know how inkeeping with the topic this is but Ive been thinking.

I hate the fact that only women can be considered murderers as they are the only ones that can get pregnant.
I wholeheartedly believe there would be a hell of alot more abortions if men could get pregnant.

Also,is there a higher rate of couples getting pregnant, then the man leaves when he finds out leaving the women to bring the child up on her own?
ie,Is the rate of women sticking by their pregnancies greater than those that terminate?

Hoorah for Frank.Its nice to have a guy on our side.

I dont like the idea of abortion and I hate reading(as I read in a paper today) that some women see it as a form of contraception, but Im glad to hear that you agree that we should have the choice.

I think Ive said before that I am VERY PRO CONTRACEPTION.
Why cant people use condoms and the pill at least!!?