Dixie Chicks withdraw apology to Bush

Tico:

I think your right wing bias is showing. Natalie Maines is not pudgy or fat. She sings like an angel and she is beautiful. If you let your right wing nuttsiness get in the way, that is your problem. I have good eyesight.

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JTT wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

Nobody has said she didnt have the right to exercise her freedom of speech.
That does not mean that there arent consequences for her because of what she said.

Another bot sent out with marching orders.

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Not Ready to Make Nice - Dixie Chicks

"It's a sad sad story when a mother will teach her daughter that she ought to hate a perfect stranger
And how in the world can the words that I said
Send somebody so over the edge that they'd write me a letter sayin' that I better shut up and sing or my life will be over"

I don't recall seeing any of these "robot convenience defenders of free speech" decrying this type of behavior. Even here, MM shows his true colors. He no more believes in freedom of speech than he believes in the tooth fairy.

This is the first I have heard of anyone sending her death threats.
I cant comment on something I never heard of.
The Dixie Chicks have every right to their beliefs and opinions,just as you and I do.
The difference is they are public figures,so everything they say and do is in the public eye.
As for the death threats you speak of,I do not now,nor have I ever,supported those types of threats or "hatespeech".
Anyone that would make a threat like that needs to see a shrink.

But,that does not mean that the Dixie Chicks should be immune to reactions from fans.
If those reactions include boycotting their shows,refusing to air their albums,or holding a public spectacle to destroy their albums in protest to what they said,that is also perfectly acceptable.

Threatening violence however,is totally unacceptable.

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Vietnamnurse wrote:

Tico:

I think your right wing bias is showing. Natalie Maines is not pudgy or fat. She sings like an angel and she is beautiful. If you let your right wing nuttsiness get in the way, that is your problem. I have good eyesight.

I didn't say she was currently fat ... I said she used to be thin-challenged. Look, I don't give a rat's ass whether any of you want to admit that she's a former fatty ..... it just isn't important to me.

As far as whether she sings like an angel, I guess I'll have to take your word for it.

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Vietnamnurse wrote:

Tico:

I think your right wing bias is showing. Natalie Maines is not pudgy or fat. She sings like an angel and she is beautiful. If you let your right wing nuttsiness get in the way, that is your problem...

Not to mention his hatred of women.

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Ticomaya wrote:

As far as whether she sings like an angel, I guess I'll have to take your word for it.

Tico, like most rightwingers, studiously avoids people who speak the unvarnished truth. People who live with simplistic notions cannot handle the cognitive dissonance.

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Roxxxanne wrote:

Vietnamnurse wrote:
Tico:

I think your right wing bias is showing. Natalie Maines is not pudgy or fat. She sings like an angel and she is beautiful. If you let your right wing nuttsiness get in the way, that is your problem...

Not to mention his hatred of women.

Back when you were Chrissee you accused me of being a misogynist, with no other basis for the wacky claim other than to say it was because of my avatar. You are still a trip.

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I saw the Dixie Chicks on TV a few years ago. At the time, Natalie was bit heavier than she is now. She was never a "fatty". People's weight can go up and down, and still be in the normal range. Hers was in the normal range.

Even with professional athletes, who have to be fit, their weight can change with which position they play. If a power forward is moved to center permanently, they are advised to put on 20 pounds or so to better play the position.

It's hard to believe that whatever weight Natalie had required stomach surgery. Of the celebrities I have seen who have gotten it, such as Wilson of Wilson Phillips, all have been much, much heavier than Natalie Manes ever was.

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Tico-wasn't your Greenspan quote actually made by Nixon?

I remember it getting a lot of attention during the Watergate era.

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Forget this whole line of argument. Tico, having no facts of his own, made up a slur about being fat. Schoolyard bully calls names. There. There's the headline. Is it news?
[Moderator note: Inline image link converted to regular image link]
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39133000/jpg/_39133269_dixiesap2.jpg

Does that look like, oh never mind... .

Pathetic.

And mysteryman makes the claim that he had never heard of any death threats proving once again that if you have your head up your ass, not just up to your ears, but all the way up past your chin, you can miss as much of the important stuff as you want, while concentrating on the stuff that doesn't really matter, but sounds good. See George W. Bush for multiple examples.

So it goes it this new world of carefully listening to what the authorities say and staying on the line way after what they say makes no sense at all.

We should not only be ashamed that George Bush is from Texas, which you recall is all the woman said, but we should all be ashamed of ourselves for allowing his like and ilk to be in the White House at all. Did you read and hear about his antics at the G-8 summit? Has there ever been a clearer example of arrested development?

joe(not the hip-hop band or the tv show)Nation

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Joe Nation wrote:

Forget this whole line of argument. Tico, having no facts of his own, made up a slur about being fat. Schoolyard bully calls names. There. There's the headline. Is it news?

Joe(I never saw a conversation I didn't want to butt into with an attempt at clever writing based on my own ideological leftist perceptions)Nation says I "made up" a slur about Maines being fat. Yet he ignores that Maines is frequently referred to as "the fat one" by persons who are not fans of the group. I believe it helps them identify which one she is. He also ignores that it was McG who first said "I heard the fat one had her stomach stapled." Joe's immediate reply was to post a picture of the Chicks, and disclaim any knowledge of which one of the three was "the fat one." I, then, in an effort to help out Joe and others who may be ignorant of which one of the group McG was referring to, identified which of the three was "the ex-'fat one'," Natalie Maines ... "the one in the middle." So, it's clear that my effort was to help identify the unknown singer, and to identify that she was formerly fat, not currently fat. Joe ignores those facts (a transgression that I'm sure will cause JTT to castigate him momentarily), and instead claims that I've "made up a slur" about Maines ... a claim that is completely without basis or factual support.

That's what's pathetic.

BTW, KW says she was never "fat," just heavier than she is now. Some people prefer the euphamism, "big boned." Whatever floats your boat.

Quote:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39133000/jpg/_39133269_dixiesap2.jpg

Does that look like, oh never mind... .

As I said, "ex-'fat'". "Ex" .... as in "formerly" or "used to be, but no longer." Oh, never mind.

And BTW, here's that photo before it was airbrushed:

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/4440/fatchicksty3.jpg

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Now that's funny and fun.

Go take a nap, your work is done here.

Joe(and he calls me clever, so you know he's screwed up.)Nation

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(No, I didn't accuse you of being clever ... I said you "attempt" to be clever. :wink: )

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Good enough in my book.

Joe(it's a proud, proud day.)Nation

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Cleverer than me, in any case.

S(he made me love 'im, I didn't wanna do it)nood

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kelticwizard wrote:

Even with professional athletes, who have to be fit, their weight can change with which position they play. If a power forward is moved to center permanently, they are advised to put on 20 pounds or so to better play the position.

I forgot to mention that I think Maines could play power forward for the Knicks, or maybe linebacker for the Jets ... you know ... if this singing gig doesn't work out for her.

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If you think Natalie Maines is as unattractive and beefy as all that, I'm not just wondering about what gender you are, but what species.

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kelticwizard wrote:

Tico-wasn't your Greenspan quote actually made by Nixon?

I remember it getting a lot of attention during the Watergate era.

Hmm. It's been attributed to Robert McCloskey, Richard Nixon, and Alan Greenspan. It's probably McCloskey, State Department spokesman during Vietnam.

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snood wrote:

If you think Natalie Maines is as unattractive and beefy as all that, I'm not just wondering about what gender you are, but what species.

Not porcine, obviously.

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Ticomaya wrote:

I forgot to mention that I think Maines could play power forward for the Knicks,

You might be right. But then, so could I. So could you. So could anybody.

Ticomaya wrote:

....or maybe linebacker for the Jets ... you know ... if this singing gig doesn't work out for her.

Well, they ARE going to the 3-4 defense this year, so there is an opening....

Seriously, my point is that you aren't fat unless you are outside a range of weights. Some people think there is an optimum weight and if you are three pounds heavier than that, you are fat. Not so.

When I saw her on TV a few years ago, Manes was a bit heavier than she now is, but she was never outside that range of being normal. She could never be called fat, at least not when I ever saw her. Nor was she "big-boned" or some other euphemism.

I think the people who call Natalie Manes "fat" are probably the same ones who were trying to call Mariah Carey "fat" last year. Carey was always gorgeous, she was never in the fat range, at least not in any public appearances.

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kelticwizard wrote:

Seriously, my point is that you aren't fat unless you are outside a range of weights. Some people think there is an optimum weight and if you are three pounds heavier than that, you are fat. Not so.

In all seriousness, I don't think she's fat.

But I do think she's big boned -- and that's not a euphamism for "fat" ... I'm talking about her frame, not her body fat.

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