U.S. Anthem in Spanish

Screw you, parker. You don't give a **** if the transalation is accurate or not, you just came here to bash.

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ebrown_p wrote:

I believe that we should value human decency and compassion.

Are you saying that those who oppose ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION dont value human decency and compassion?

How compassionate is it when people die of thirt or exposure in the desert,trying to get here?
How compassionate is it when illegal women get raped while trying to get here ILLEGALLY?

How many homeless people do you have living with you?
How much decency and compassion do you show to those people?

Opposing ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION has nothing to do with decency or compassion,it is about doing whats right.

If someone wants to come to this country,let them show compassion for our laws by obeying them,and let them have the human decency to enter this country LEGALLY.

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edgarblythe wrote:

Screw you, parker. You don't give a **** if the transalation is accurate or not, you just came here to bash.

No doubt abou that Edgarblythe....

The Righteous Right

With so much fight

Telling us just how to live

But when you open their book

And take a look

Their morals leak out through a sieve

Should we pop pills like Rush?

Or gamble like Bennett?

Perhaps just slaughter cats

Like med-student Frist of the Senate

But most disappointing of all is O'Reilly

Why'd he settle with that sex har-ass-ment pest?

After all, he never touched "her-ass"

He only fondled her breast

[Reprinted from One State Two State Red State Blue State]

It's Impeachment Time

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/806547876

HOW WILL I INDICT THEE?

by Elizabeth Barrett, Special Prosecutor

How will I indict thee, George
Let me count the counts,
I'll indict thee to the heights and breadths of Texas itself
And whilst my ardor to imprison thee doth grow
My heart might near burst, yea
'Til I should see you, Dick, Rummy, ah, and Turd Blossom
Safely, lovingly embraced in the bosom of the slammer fore'er.

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Either the idea of nationhood, sovereignty, and laws governing nations are dead, or Parker is correct.

If I invite myself to your house, then once there, I declare I live there and the house is partly mine, then I demand a say in how you run your house, then I change your name and spell it differently, does that make sense? If it were legal citizens of hispanic origin singing the same song in spanish, fine, but it isn't. Its been changed to something else to suit the agenda, namely for illegal immigrants.

I still think nationhood, sovereignty, and laws should mean something.

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okie wrote:

If I invite myself to your house, then once there, I declare I live there and the house is partly mine, then I demand a say in how you run your house, then I change your name and spell it differently, does that make sense? If it were legal citizens of hispanic origin singing the same song in spanish, fine, but it isn't. Its been changed to something else to suit the agenda, namely for illegal immigrants.

If I let you in my house and let you have a room in the cellar. Then I make you do my dishes and wash my clothes and clean my toilets (which you do quite well) for which I give you a pittance, all the time refusing to accept you as a human. But you work extra hours a get a few pieces of furniture and some clothes... but I even resent that. Then I resent the fact that you speak and dress differently then me. And, when it suits my needs I declare that you have no rights and unceremoniously kick you out into the streets....

<<ebrown dreams of Okie in a french maid's uniform...>>

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ebrown_p wrote:

okie wrote:
If I invite myself to your house, then once there, I declare I live there and the house is partly mine, then I demand a say in how you run your house, then I change your name and spell it differently, does that make sense? If it were legal citizens of hispanic origin singing the same song in spanish, fine, but it isn't. Its been changed to something else to suit the agenda, namely for illegal immigrants.

If I let you in my house and let you have a room in the cellar. Then I make you do my dishes and wash my clothes and clean my toilets (which you do quite well) for which I give you a pittance, all the time refusing to accept you as a human. But you work extra hours a get a few pieces of furniture and some clothes... but I even resent that. Then I resent the fact that you speak and dress differently then me. And, when it suits my needs I declare that you have no rights and unceremoniously kick you out into the streets....

<<ebrown dreams of Okie in a french maid's uniform...>>

You see you have it all wrong. We never let them in they came in without asking. You see the difference? We have never said they aren't human we just call them illegal and that is what they are. They can come over all they want to just come in through the front door and ask first don't sneak in through the back door or the basement. This is what they have done.

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Baldimo wrote:

ebrown_p wrote:
okie wrote:
If I invite myself to your house, then once there, I declare I live there and the house is partly mine, then I demand a say in how you run your house, then I change your name and spell it differently, does that make sense? If it were legal citizens of hispanic origin singing the same song in spanish, fine, but it isn't. Its been changed to something else to suit the agenda, namely for illegal immigrants.

If I let you in my house and let you have a room in the cellar. Then I make you do my dishes and wash my clothes and clean my toilets (which you do quite well) for which I give you a pittance, all the time refusing to accept you as a human. But you work extra hours a get a few pieces of furniture and some clothes... but I even resent that. Then I resent the fact that you speak and dress differently then me. And, when it suits my needs I declare that you have no rights and unceremoniously kick you out into the streets....

<<ebrown dreams of Okie in a french maid's uniform...>>

You see you have it all wrong. We never let them in they came in without asking. You see the difference? We have never said they aren't human we just call them illegal and that is what they are. They can come over all they want to just come in through the front door and ask first don't sneak in through the back door or the basement. This is what they have done.

They are coming to work. You don't come to work unless American citizens let you come.

America is my house as much as it is yours.... and I consider them workers, not criminals.

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Sorry, it doesn't matter how you consider them; they are criminals.

The Americans providing them with jobs are also criminals. They are screwing over every single person involved with this but themselves - the illegals, for sure, and you and I. All in the name of increased profits.

Just because one criminal gainfully employs another criminal doesn't make either of them legal or morally correct.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Sorry, it doesn't matter how you consider them; they are criminals.

The Americans providing them with jobs are also criminals. They are screwing over every single person involved with this but themselves - the illegals, for sure, and you and I. All in the name of increased profits.

Just because one criminal gainfully employs another criminal doesn't make either of them legal or morally correct.

Cycloptichorn

What about the Americans who are using the democratic process (i.e. demonstrating and talking and voting) to change the law and provide them a path to legalization.

Are we criminals too?

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No, as I said in the other thread, I favor legalization for every illegal in the country who has not been convicted of a felony.

I don't want to demonize anyone (except for those who hire illegals - they are the worst sort of scum) for helping illegals in our current climate.

The way I look at it, we have a problem, and we need to find the most efficient way to solve the problem. There are three steps to this:

1, get those illegals who are here, legal, so that they can pay taxes and get a fair wage for their work.

2, close the border. It is ridiculous that our borders are so open during this time of terrorism, and I'm not some fear-mongering Republican, either. It's only common sense. Do you disagree that the border needs to be closed?

3, make those who hire illegals pay for their actions; I believe that they are the true cause of the problem. They screw over everyone involved but themselves.

Cycloptichorn

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ebrown_p wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Sorry, it doesn't matter how you consider them; they are criminals.

The Americans providing them with jobs are also criminals. They are screwing over every single person involved with this but themselves - the illegals, for sure, and you and I. All in the name of increased profits.

Just because one criminal gainfully employs another criminal doesn't make either of them legal or morally correct.

Cycloptichorn

What about the Americans who are using the democratic process (i.e. demonstrating and talking and voting) to change the law and provide them a path to legalization.

Are we criminals too?

They already have a path, they just don't like it. People such as yourself don't think they have to follow the law. The rest of us do. If this were put to a vote the majority of people would want to seal the border and punish those who we catch breaking the law.

You know you never did answer my question a few pages back. What do you do when your children don't follow the rules of your house? Do you punish them or reward them?

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

No, as I said in the other thread, I favor legalization for every illegal in the country who has not been convicted of a felony.

I don't want to demonize anyone (except for those who hire illegals - they are the worst sort of scum) for helping illegals in our current climate.

The way I look at it, we have a problem, and we need to find the most efficient way to solve the problem. There are three steps to this:

1, get those illegals who are here, legal, so that they can pay taxes and get a fair wage for their work.

2, close the border. It is ridiculous that our borders are so open during this time of terrorism, and I'm not some fear-mongering Republican, either. It's only common sense. Do you disagree that the border needs to be closed?

3, make those who hire illegals pay for their actions; I believe that they are the true cause of the problem. They screw over everyone involved but themselves.

Cycloptichorn

Now this is something I agree with. Close the damn borders, give heavy fines to those who employ illegals, and get teh illegals who wont leave the right to pay some fuckin taxes.

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I believe that we should value human decency and compassion over harsh punishments and strict enforcement of the law. Decency and understanding are American values I cherish more than draconian laws enforced by punitive measures.

Maybe I've grown into a cynic or an evil dude but I don't believe for one second thats theres no human decency or compassion for the illegals. We try to deport them (usually back to the shithole country they came from [perhaps that wording is a bit strong?]), not line them up and slit their throats. If you believe OUR laws are draconian then have a look at what other countries are doing and you find that we fall in the middle; and yes these things are relative. There will always be more peaceful places and more compassionate ones, especially ideally. But in my opinion, by very nature of our world and mankind, there MUST be people who live shitty lives in shitty places with shitty resources and a shitty hope for the future. We (us in 1st world countries) will NEVER be able to solve their hunger, sorrow, and pathetic condition.

I personally don't care if we ship the illegals back to Mexico or to Antarctica and I'M MEXICAN. But the illegal immigration must be stopped; if one wants to enter our country, come in legally so that we know you are there. Otherwise you can't leave your shitty home and come here; and if you are UNABLE to get here legally (which I doubt but then again I don't know much of immigration laws) then tough. There's nothing draconian about that; I may not be giving everyone a fair chance, but I'm not forbidding anyone from entering. We can't have an open border where poor unofrunate souls can cross hither and thither else we should just join up with mexico and become one.

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Can anyone actually quote the law that makes them "illegal" aliens?

Residing in the US without appropriate documents can get you deported... but is it a crime?

A traffic violation is against the law, but it does not rise to the level of a crime without some other circumstance such as financial damage or physical injury.

Is crossing the border without documentation a crime? What is the statute of limitations on it?

Now then, paying someone wages without withholding various taxes is a crime. (Or filing the right forms for a contractor... whatever)

Seems to me, the criminals here are those who hire undocumented workers.

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DrewDad wrote:

Can anyone actually quote the law that makes them "illegal" aliens?

Residing in the US without appropriate documents can get you deported... but is it a crime?

A traffic violation is against the law, but it does not rise to the level of a crime without some other circumstance such as financial damage or physical injury.

Is crossing the border without documentation a crime? What is the statute of limitations on it?

Now then, paying someone wages without withholding various taxes is a crime. (Or filing the right forms for a contractor... whatever)

Seems to me, the criminals here are those who hire undocumented workers.

I don't believe there is a specific law but several groups of laws. We have several different govt agencies that deal with it. ICE, Border Patrol and can't think of the other one off the top of my head.

There is no statue of limitations that I know of. If that were the case people could hide and not worry but instead we find them and deport them to their home countries. There is a comic named Carlos Mencia I liked his idea. He said we should deport them to different countries. That would be quite funny.

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First, let me say that i completely agree that the illegality of the employers of undocumented workers gets ignored by those who scream about "illegal aliens." It's a clear-cut case of whose ox has been gored.

DrewDad wrote:

Can anyone actually quote the law that makes them "illegal" aliens?

That would be the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act, which was further modified by The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. Prior to the 1952 Act, there was not a single, omnibus Act which covered the subject. Both acts have been amended numerous times.

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anybody seen this? Laughing

Bush sang Star Spangled Banner en español during 2000 campaign
Wed May 03 2006 09:35:20 ET

"When visiting cities like Chicago, Milwaukee, or Philadelphia, in pivotal states, George W. Bush would drop in at Hispanic festivals and parties, sometimes joining in singing "The Star-Spangled Banner" in Spanish, sometimes partying with a "Viva Bush" mariachi band flown in from Texas."

So writes author Kevin Phillips in his book AMERICAN DYNASTY.

Last week, at the height of the illegal immigrant's boycott build up, Bush told reporters: "I think the national anthem ought to be sung in English."

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Setanta wrote:

First, let me say that i completely agree that the illegality of the employers of undocumented workers gets ignored by those who scream about "illegal aliens." It's a clear-cut case of whose ox has been gored.

I agree totally Set. If US companies were not hiring them, they would not come. If you are going to complain about illegal immigrants, then you dang well better be willing to complain about the companies that hire them. Before talking about spending money building some wall or fence on the border, why not use that money to beef up the enforcement agency and give them authority to go onto company worksites and verify that those working there are in the US legally. And if not, fine the living hell out of the company. This to me is the logical first step to solving the problem of illegal immigrants. Then lets talk about better security measures along the border.

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Hear, Hear, CR. The fines which could be extracted from those illegal employers could cover the costs of better security measures, relieving the taxpayer of the burden.

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ebrown_p wrote:

You see you have it all wrong. We never let them in they came in without asking. You see the difference? We have never said they aren't human we just call them illegal and that is what they are. They can come over all they want to just come in through the front door and ask first don't sneak in through the back door or the basement. This is what they have done.

They are coming to work. You don't come to work unless American citizens let you come.

America is my house as much as it is yours.... and I consider them workers, not criminals.

I knew this would be pointed out. Correct, employers are employing them, so they asked them to the house, but those employers are akin to children of the house, because they are not adhering to house rules in making the invitations, so I actually agree with Set and Coastal Rat, punish the employers first. The quickest way to dry up the supply, is eliminate the demand. If jobs were not provided to illegals, then there would be no incentive to come here, and further, if benefits such as medical care, schooling and other things were not available, they would not come here, so punish the politicians and judges that have broken the law. I realize that isn't possible to punish the politicians and judges, but anyway, lets eliminate the jobs.

I don't know if this has been brought up, but people saying they will do jobs at minimal wages with reduced benefits should be allowed, I say you are the real racists in this debate, plus you undercut the very principles you preach about people should expect to make a minimum wage and provide benefits. You are advocating a permanent underclass, a class that you want and expect to do your dirty work. I say lets put an end to it and provide a very liberal immigration policy whereas the people that come here can be treated with the same dignity as everybody else.

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Gosh, we could be close to a real breakthrough here. Whodda thunk???

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