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U.S. Anthem in Spanish

 
 
ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 28 Apr, 2006 05:22 pm
It doesn't just stop at the National Anthem, this has been going on for years.

The city of The Angels...
The states named Snowy (Mountains), of "Colored" and Flowery are have all been bastardized into Spanish names.

I even heard they translated the Bible into Spanish.

What is the world coming to?
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kickycan
 
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Reply Fri 28 Apr, 2006 05:28 pm
Quote:
Bush told reporters at a White House Rose Garden news conference the anthem would not have the same value sung in Spanish.

"The national anthem ought to be sung in English. And I think people who want to be citizens of this country ought to learn it in English. They ought to learn to sing the national anthem in English."


What a f*cking retard this guy is. It's like we picked up some chew-spitting dipshit on the side of the road and said, "Hey! You! Wanna be president?"
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 28 Apr, 2006 05:31 pm
It's the Forest Gump syndrome, and half the public bought into it.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Fri 28 Apr, 2006 05:35 pm
If Italian Americans sang the Star Bangled Banner in Italian would there be as big an uproar?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 28 Apr, 2006 05:36 pm
Bada bing.
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 28 Apr, 2006 05:37 pm
I dunno. babel Fish says it would be something like this:

¿El Oh, opinión puede usted ver, por la luz temprana del amanecer, qué nosotros granizó tan orgulloso en destellar pasado del crepúsculo? ¿De quién amplias rayas y estrellas brillantes, con la lucha peligrosa, O'er los terraplenes que miramos, tan galantemente fluíamos? Y el fulgor rojo de los cohetes, las bombas que estallaban en aire, dio la prueba con la noche que nuestra bandera todavía estaba allí. ¿Opinión de O, esa bandera estrella-star-spangled todavía agita O'er la tierra del libre y el hogar del valiente? ¿En la orilla, considerada dévil a través de las nieblas del profundo, dónde el anfitrión arrogante del enemigo en silencio del pavor descansa, qué es el que la brisa, o'er el escarpado elevado, mientras que fitfully sopla, ahora encubre, ahora divulga? Ahora coge el destello de la primera viga de la mañana, en gloria completa ahora reflejados brillos en la corriente: ¡' Tis la bandera estrella-star-spangled! O largo puede él agitar O'er la tierra del libre y el hogar del valiente. ¿Y dónde es esa venda que tan vauntingly juró que el estrago de la guerra y el hogar de la confusión A de la batalla y un país debe dejarnos no más? Su sangre ha limpiado fuera de la contaminación de su paso asqueroso. Ningún refugio podía ahorrar el hireling y el esclavo del terror del vuelo, o el abatimiento del sepulcro: Y la bandera estrella-star-spangled en la onda O'er del doth del triunfo la tierra del libre y el hogar del valiente. ¡Oh! ¡así sea siempre, cuando los freemen estarán parados entre su amó hogares y el desolation de la guerra! Blest con la victoria y la paz, puede la alabanza cielo-rescatada de la tierra la energía que el hath nos hizo y preservó una nación. Entonces conquístenos debe, cuando nuestra causa él es justa, y éste sea nuestro lema: "en dios está nuestra confianza." ¡Y la bandera estrella-star-spangled en triunfo agitará O'er la tierra del libre y el hogar del valiente!
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 28 Apr, 2006 05:38 pm
squinney wrote:
I dunno. babel Fish says it would be something like this:

¿El Oh, opinión puede usted ver, por la luz temprana del amanecer, qué nosotros granizó tan orgulloso en destellar pasado del crepúsculo? ¿De quién amplias rayas y estrellas brillantes, con la lucha peligrosa, O'er los terraplenes que miramos, tan galantemente fluíamos? Y el fulgor rojo de los cohetes, las bombas que estallaban en aire, dio la prueba con la noche que nuestra bandera todavía estaba allí. ¿Opinión de O, esa bandera estrella-star-spangled todavía agita O'er la tierra del libre y el hogar del valiente? ¿En la orilla, considerada dévil a través de las nieblas del profundo, dónde el anfitrión arrogante del enemigo en silencio del pavor descansa, qué es el que la brisa, o'er el escarpado elevado, mientras que fitfully sopla, ahora encubre, ahora divulga? Ahora coge el destello de la primera viga de la mañana, en gloria completa ahora reflejados brillos en la corriente: ¡' Tis la bandera estrella-star-spangled! O largo puede él agitar O'er la tierra del libre y el hogar del valiente. ¿Y dónde es esa venda que tan vauntingly juró que el estrago de la guerra y el hogar de la confusión A de la batalla y un país debe dejarnos no más? Su sangre ha limpiado fuera de la contaminación de su paso asqueroso. Ningún refugio podía ahorrar el hireling y el esclavo del terror del vuelo, o el abatimiento del sepulcro: Y la bandera estrella-star-spangled en la onda O'er del doth del triunfo la tierra del libre y el hogar del valiente. ¡Oh! ¡así sea siempre, cuando los freemen estarán parados entre su amó hogares y el desolation de la guerra! Blest con la victoria y la paz, puede la alabanza cielo-rescatada de la tierra la energía que el hath nos hizo y preservó una nación. Entonces conquístenos debe, cuando nuestra causa él es justa, y éste sea nuestro lema: "en dios está nuestra confianza." ¡Y la bandera estrella-star-spangled en triunfo agitará O'er la tierra del libre y el hogar del valiente!



Uh, no . . .
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 28 Apr, 2006 05:39 pm
But Italian is the language of music. Then we should all be able to sing it better.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 28 Apr, 2006 05:42 pm
That's horrible. But just for fun, I typed Squinny's translation back into Babelfish to translate back into English....
BableFish wrote:


You all get the idea.

I just heard we have to wait until Sunday for the real translation to be released.
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 28 Apr, 2006 05:47 pm
Laughing

Well lets hope Sundays version is better than either of the two translations above.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 28 Apr, 2006 05:48 pm
I like the part about pumps exploding in air (Bomba means both bomb and pump you know).
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princesspupule
 
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Reply Fri 28 Apr, 2006 07:46 pm
ebrown_p wrote:

Can anyone find the lyrics in Spanish?


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5369145

It's not the same song. It's not the national anthem. Can you imagine the broadway musical, "Lion King" playing someplace and billing the song "No Worries," as "Hakuna Matada?" Only w/a different tune, beat, words, and everything? It might work for popular culture (think American Idol,) but not for the national anthem!
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 28 Apr, 2006 08:55 pm
princesspupule wrote:
ebrown_p wrote:

Can anyone find the lyrics in Spanish?


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5369145

It's not the same song. It's not the national anthem. Can you imagine the broadway musical, "Lion King" playing someplace and billing the song "No Worries," as "Hakuna Matada?" Only w/a different tune, beat, words, and everything? It might work for popular culture (think American Idol,) but not for the national anthem!


Agreed. But what do you expect.

Translating songs is very difficult. Making it fit with the words, the feeling and the music is near impossible. I think usually you try to fit the feeling first, and then do what you have to to make the words fit the music. Actually I think the words you linked to are very close to a popular translation of the National anthem from around 1920 (I will have to check on that).

Of course, the message of pride in both being American and Latino is what is important.

That being said, when I heard it, I was a bit disappointed. The music was "oversung" and the "We are the world" style of a different singer for each line never worked for me.

But I fully support the meaning behind the song.

Somos Americanos y somos Latinos.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 28 Apr, 2006 08:56 pm
princesspupule wrote:
ebrown_p wrote:

Can anyone find the lyrics in Spanish?


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5369145

It's not the same song. It's not the national anthem. Can you imagine the broadway musical, "Lion King" playing someplace and billing the song "No Worries," as "Hakuna Matada?" Only w/a different tune, beat, words, and everything? It might work for popular culture (think American Idol,) but not for the national anthem!


Agreed. But what do you expect.

Translating songs is very difficult. Making it fit with the words, the feeling and the music is near impossible. I think usually you try to fit the feeling first, and then do what you have to to make the words fit the music. Actually I think the words you linked to are very close to a popular translation of the National anthem from around 1920 (I will have to check on that).

Of course, the message of pride in both being American and Latino is what is important.

That being said, when I heard it, I was a bit disappointed. The music was "oversung" and the "We are the world" style of a different singer for each line never worked for me.

But I fully support the meaning behind the song.

Somos Americanos y somos Latinos.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 29 Apr, 2006 07:22 am
Does it make any difference to the equation that a Britisher actually set the whole Spanish language project in motion?
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jespah
 
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Reply Sat 29 Apr, 2006 08:42 am
I want to know why this song is soooooo sacred.

I mean, really.

It's a song. Yes, it's a patriotic song.

But yanno something? It doesn't quit being patriotic because it's --- oooh --- sung in a different language. And a citizen doesn't stop being a citizen just because --- ooh --- he or she sings the song in a different language.

I mean, really.

It's not a controversy. It's grandstanding. Time for folks to grow up and remember that it's not the song, it's not its language, it's not even the words that are important. It's the country. It's the freedom. It's all of that stuff. And if the country doesn't stop being itself because some people don't speak English, why should the anthem stop being the anthem because some people don't sing it in English?

This is your tax dollars at work, folks. This is politicians screaming about this kind of silliness instead of social justice. This is going into the press, rather than Iraq, Iran, gas prices, interest rates, alternative energy or even whether your local streets will be paved or the price of tea in Poughkeepsie. It's a paper tiger, designed to distract us from what's important. Best thing to do is ignore this nonsense and concentrate on things that are more substantial.

Like burning a piece of notebook paper that might have, at one time, touched an American flag. Laughing

{runs}
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 29 Apr, 2006 08:49 am
Good rant. I want a copy of the recording, simply because I want to listen to it - No politics involved on my part, in this particular reference.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sat 29 Apr, 2006 09:24 am
In the squares of the city - In the shadow of the steeple Near the relief office - I see my people And some are grumblin' and some are wonderin' If this land's still made for you and me. Woody Guthrie
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 29 Apr, 2006 10:32 am
First of all, its not the same song, so why call it the national anthem?

The best argument in favor of illegal immigration was a friend of mine said, "what does it matter, the Europeans came here originally without any legal immigration status?" Point well taken. I have no problems, except for one small problem. Pretending all immigrants are automatically legal is pretty much buying into the notion that nationhood has no meaning, and that a nation has no right to institute something called legal citizenship, and that a nation has no right to attempt to govern itself with a set of laws. If not, why have any laws? Ignore them all. Then whose laws do we observe? Our own? The World Court's? The United Nation's?

Now, some of my ancestors came here in the early 1900's, some before that. Legally. Who knows all of my ancestry? Some of it I think had been here when the Europeans landed. The point is I would not dream of going to another country illegally and demanding to be a citizen there.

Why do some of you here think it is bigotry to oppose illegal immigration? I have friends of Mexican heritage and love them, they love us. Most of them also oppose illegal immigration. Listen, I see people all the time that possibly came here illegally. I do not hate them as people, and admire their work ethic. If only some of us had as much as they do in that regard. The problem I have is the concept of allowing hoards of people cross the border, including drug runners, possible terrorists, etc. What in the world is wrong with enforcing a strong border control along with a very liberal immigration policy whereby the criminals, terrorist suspects, drug runners, and the like from crossing the border at will? Somebody please explain this to me. It makes no sense.

The other aspect of this is the fact that many businesses are hiring people at below minimum wage and not giving them other things normally required by law here. The Democrats have always been so in favor of a minimum wage and other government mandated benefits, yet many now favor no control on the practice of hiring illegals that merely undercuts existing wage laws and benefit mandates. It seems petty phony in my opinion, because it appears to be nothing more than political pandering for the purpose of being elected when no consistent principles are applied.
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gerd
 
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Reply Sat 29 Apr, 2006 01:47 pm
I am agree with McGentrix, media are doing this bigger than it really is.
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