Lash wrote:The part where you said they deserved their rights, but you wouldn't vote to help them secure their rights.
I also don't understand the part about people not voting.
Any homosexual can obtain a legal union contract, to insure miscellaneous rights that married people normally have. There are absolutely no rights that I know of, that they would be denied, other than not getting tax shelters from the government. Unless you can name some, then this is strictly an issue for the government. If it can see some kind of stablizing benefit that the homosexual marriage brings to the table, then they'll go for it.
Not while the fundamentalist christians deny them "marriage."
These rights are denied to gay couples. "The right to marry whoever one wishes is an elementary human right compared to which the right to attend an integrated school, the right to sit where one pleases on a bus, the right to go into any hotel or recreation area or place of amusement, regardless of one's skin or color or race are minor indeed. Even political rights, like the right to vote, and nearly all other rights enumerated in the Constitution, are secondary to the inalienable human rights to `life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' ... and to this category the right to home and marriage unquestionably belongs." Sullivan, senior editor at the New Republic, goes on to say, This being said, can we deny that the right to marriage - to whomever one might choose - is constitutionally guaranteed?
cicerone imposter wrote:Not while the fundamentalist christians deny them "marriage."
I don't get involved with that. However, I can understand how they might want to have a say, since their tax dollars will be involved. Still, this is one issue I'd rather stay out of. I'm neutral on the marriage thing.
Okay, this is the gist of your post, Lash:
1) Access to a spouse's medical, life and disability insurance
2) Hospital visitation and medical decision-making privileges
3) Workers' compensation survivor benefits
4) Spousal benefits under annuity and retirement plans
5) The right to refuse to testify against one's spouse
6) And many others.
If I'm not mistaken, all those things can be had with a legal union and a simple will. If not, then I would of course be for their right to marry.
(By the way, a black person is born black. There is no certain proof that homosexuals are born that way, and I don't accept that they are. So the black analogy doesn't wash, in my book.)
"There is no certain proof that homosexuals are born that way, and I don't accept that they are."
You should educate yourself about that. I wonder if you'd accept it, even if you had proof. I doubt it.
I'm not going to go further. Tired of this particular subject. You can click on 100 links and find the facts if you're interested in them. I just wanted to see if your view about gay rights was backed up in any demonstrable way. I didn't think it was, and I see that it's not.
Lash wrote:"There is no certain proof that homosexuals are born that way, and I don't accept that they are."
You should educate yourself about that. I wonder if you'd accept it, even if you had proof. I doubt it.
I'm not going to go further. Tired of this particular subject. You can click on 100 links and find the facts if you're interested in them. I just wanted to see if your view about gay rights was backed up in any demonstrable way. I didn't think it was, and I see that it's not.
You're right. You can't see it. I'm not going to "educate" myself with politically motivated theories, of which I've already fully acquainted myself.
Momma Angel wrote:Well, from what I have learned in this thread so far, there still is NO DEFINITIVE answer as to why anyone is a homosexual. There are theories and there are studies being done. However, due to some funding problems, the research for this issue has been hampered.
Sozobe, I did good, huh? :wink: 
:wink: I already know what causes it, but I don't feel like posting it, right now. Maybe later. They have tried to squelch it, and have done a good job of it. It's their mission to make it appear that it's genetic. This way, they can qualify under the same category as minorities.
It's a proven fact that homosexuality is an evolutionary response to population control. This proves both evolution and the need for homosexuality.
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Filmmakers went in search of homosexual wild animals as part of a National Geographic Ultimate Explorer documentary about the female's role in the mating game.
J.B.S. Haldane may not have had homosexuality in mind when he uttered his famous quote about a queer universe, but it has proven to be far more prescient than he could ever have imagined. In the approximately 1,000 to 3,000 species whose behavior has been well researched and described in the literature, approximately 450 have been shown to have clear homosexual behaviors.
Chumly,
We aren't talking about animals. We are talking about people.
Chumly wrote:It's a proven fact that homosexuality is an evolutionary response to population control. This proves both evolution and the need for homosexuality.
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If that's the case, then so is war.
Questions about Homosexuality
Momma Angel wrote:Chumly,
I love you to death, sweetie. I think you know that. But, I'm already confused enough about this whole issue and if you throw animals (other than humans) in at this point, I don't know if I can make sense of that.
You're right, MA. That needs to be on a different thread.
(No offense, Chumly.)
Actually Chumly I think a separate thread on homosexuality in the realms of nature would be fascinating. Why don't you start it.
I had a lesbian dog once. Her name was Dorothy and she had been fixed. Now I don't know what her sexual preference was before she was fixed, but man let me tell you she was gay!
She had a girlfriend (dog) named Ursula and they were constant companions. Ursula would come over every morning and scratch at the door. til I let Dorothy out to play.
Dorothy was hit by a taxi in the South End of Boston and was killed. Ursula would still come to the house every morning looking for Dorothy. Ursula was very depressed about the loss of her friend and went into a decline and went on a hunger strike until she died.
