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I think that MA is really making a great sffort to understand both herself, and how her earlier life had shaped some of her ideas, which she now realizes are homophobic.

I applaud her for that. It takes a big person to admit that she might have been prejudicial, and is really attempting to develop a more mature understanding of the situation.

Setanta- Even though no one know the level of sincerity that MA has exhibited, I for one, am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt!

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Phoenix,

Thank you for the benefit of a doubt. I am trying. I won't say it's been easy or is easy. There will be some that will never like me or accept anything I say. I can accept that too.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Lash,

Would you kindly stop putting words in my mouth? Or at least use all the words. I said ANYONE who commits suicide is responsible for the ultimate act itself. I said yes, outside forces affect someone but if you pick up a gun and shoot yourself or take a handful of pills, it is you that does it.

If you tell the police that someone is threatening suicide, they go take the person threatening suicide to get help. They don't round up every single person that has contributed to the problem.

Your obvious dislike of me is skewing your vision IMO. Try reading what I actually do POST and not what you THINK I post.

Waaaaa!

Stop whining!

I did post what you said. You just don't like it coming back at you. Why don't you tell the truth?

A man, who rapes or beats his child over a period of years, and eventually crushes her spirit, so that she can't tolerate another day--and she takes her life--you say her father is blameless?

No decent person would say that.

Is that what you call a fair judgment? Is that your brand of Christianity?

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For your information, Lash. I WAS RAPED BY MY FATHER. I became pregnant by my father. Suicide never entered into my mind no matter what anyone said or did to me concerning this.

Now, please answer my question I asked in the other thread? Who is THEY Lash? You tell me (not exact quote) that if I believe it is us against them then I am going to the wrong church. Now, why are you using the term THEY?

And I NEVER SAID THE OUTSIDE FORCES WERE BLAMELESS. I said they had an affect on the person yes, but the final decision is made by the person committing suicide.

No decent person? You might want to consider what has happened in another's life before you start making accussations about no decent person would say that, Lash. You haven't a clue as to what anyone actually feels but yourself I'm afraid.

WHO ARE THEY LASH?

Discrimination and abuse come in all different flavors, Lash. This one seems to be your favorite.

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No need to shout, Momma Angel, you are coming in loud and clear. I could see why you would be repelled by any sexual contact. I dare not go further than this as consideration for your obviously fragile feelings.

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Lightwizard,

Actually, I'm not shouting. Embarrassed

I keep forgetting all caps means yelling and I mean it for emphasis. Oh, I am not repelled by sexual contact, Lightwizard. Had years of therapy and it took a long time but I can't blame everyone else for what one person did.

Yes, it's a bit of a sore subject with me and the reason I am a bit off the button with Lash is because I understand what she is saying but I can't get her to understand there is more to it than that.

It's frustrating.

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Momma Angel wrote:

For your information, Lash. I WAS RAPED BY MY FATHER. I became pregnant by my father. Suicide never entered into my mind no matter what anyone said or did to me concerning this.

Now, please answer my question I asked in the other thread? Who is THEY Lash? You tell me (not exact quote) that if I believe it is us against them then I am going to the wrong church. Now, why are you using the term THEY?

And I NEVER SAID THE OUTSIDE FORCES WERE BLAMELESS. I said they had an affect on the person yes, but the final decision is made by the person committing suicide.

No decent person? You might want to consider what has happened in another's life before you start making accussations about no decent person would say that, Lash. You haven't a clue as to what anyone actually feels but yourself I'm afraid.

WHO ARE THEY LASH?

Discrimination and abuse come in all different flavors, Lash. This one seems to be your favorite.

Quite weird to throw out such a remark, in caps yet, on a message board for points. But, I have noticed and commented on the fact that you seem to have a dramatic personal revelation for every arguement. Makes it very hard to believe them.

True or not, your declaration has no bearing on anything you've previously said, or what I have said regarding this issue.

You think because an event happened to you, and it didn't have a certain effect, that everyone else responds the same way?

Take another look at your own words:

You haven't a clue as to what anyone actually feels but yourself I'm afraid.

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Words aren't always able to communicate feelings. After all, Jack and Ennis never tell one another they love them, at least not the part of their lives we see.

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Been meaning to post this for the past few days on the film forum -- it's been posted on the Rotten Tomatoes site and I was astonished the footage was even available:

BROKEBACK 4 NIGHTS IN 20 YEARS

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Lash,

I told this story a long time ago on A2K. Catch up for Pete's sake.

Fine. Don't answer me on who THEY are. I already believe I know who THEY are in your mind; therefore, my dear Lash, I believe you are exhibiting some discriminatory and bigoted behavior. But, that's my opinion. And in doing that and accusing another of it, I would consider that a hypocritical act, wouldn't you? And the very fact that I point that out to you makes me a hypocrite in return.

All I have been trying to get you to see is that none of us are perfect, Lash. We all make mistakes. If we point out those mistakes in anyone else we are therefore being a hypocrite. It's true of every human being on this earth. It's human.

You refuse to see where I understand the other side of this issue so you just go on thinking I don't understand what it's like for someone to be raped by their father and the pain that causes for them and their family. Of course, I wouldn't have a clue. Rolling Eyes

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BTW, do not follow that link if your sex therapist is not available.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Lash,

I told this story a long time ago on A2K. Catch up for Pete's sake.

Fine. Don't answer me on who THEY are. I already believe I know who THEY are in your mind; therefore, my dear Lash, I believe you are exhibiting some discriminatory and bigoted behavior. But, that's my opinion. And in doing that and accusing another of it, I would consider that a hypocritical act, wouldn't you? And the very fact that I point that out to you makes me a hypocrite in return.

All I have been trying to get you to see is that none of us are perfect, Lash. We all make mistakes. If we point out those mistakes in anyone else we are therefore being a hypocrite. It's true of every human being on this earth. It's human.

You refuse to see where I understand the other side of this issue so you just go on thinking I don't understand what it's like for someone to be raped by their father and the pain that causes for them and their family. Of course, I wouldn't have a clue.

Notice how she completely avoids the point, and brings in extraneous material in order to seek pity, and to camouflage the fact that she's doing so.

This part of her post, for instance:

Quote:

"Fine. Don't answer me on who THEY are. I already believe I know who THEY are in your mind; therefore, my dear Lash..."

I've asked her several times what she's talking about. She knows this, but she's trying to manipulate readers into thinking I won't answer. I think they teach this in church. Very Happy

She goes on about this fictional bs for a while... Then, we're on "mistakes"... on and on Rolling Eyes

, appearing as though I must have accused her of some mistake. I never did. More manipulation for sympathy. <shakes head> This big, stupid, completely unrelated rhetorical caca sounds really good. It's the kind of stuff we all say and believe...when it is remotely related to the issue. In this case, it's not.

However, this is the kicker.

Quote:

...I understand the other side of this issue so you just go on thinking I don't understand what it's like for someone to be raped by their father and the pain that causes for them and their family.

Surreal. Of course, this is a quite sick attempt to gain sympathy for something that has nothing to do with the subject at all. As if I have said anything remotely related to this. She expects everyone to forget the issue and focus on her again, and alleged misfortunes, again.

Anyway, anatomy of a fake.

I thought I'd posted this response previously, so I add a request to Moderators: if you choose to delete this post, please consider doing the same to the one filled with the accusations that I'm answering. Thank you.

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Lash,

I feel sorry for you. You cannot see how someone has tried and tried to make amends with you. I have tried to explain my view on homosexuality, suicide, etc., to you and you refuse to accept it. Fine.

If you cannot grasp the simplicity of what I am trying to say to you, then you can't.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Lash,

I feel sorry for you. You cannot see how someone has tried and tried to make amends with you. I have tried to explain my view on homosexuality, suicide, etc., to you and you refuse to accept it. Fine.

If you cannot grasp the simplicity of what I am trying to say to you, then you can't.

What you don't see is I will never make amends with you. I have seen you, and I know how you operate. I don't believe anything you say. I don't believe you are sincere about any of this.

You have zero credibility with me.

If you cannot grasp the simplicity of what I am trying to say to you, then you can't.

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Lash,

That's okay. I don't need your forgiveness to forgive you. As far as I'm concerned, the past is the past. If you don't want to make amends, then you don't. No problem.

I will keep you in my prayers.

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You better pray for yourself.

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Lash,

Don't worry. I am. I need all the help I can get just to keep from forgetting that you are also a human being with feelings.

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You need a damn site more help than that.

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Why Lash, haven't you heard? I have people on another site this very minute praying. Laughing

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Is that praying or preying?

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