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If you Like Your Freedoms, Thank a Protestor

 
 
woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 12:28 pm
"If you like your freedoms, don't thank a soldier," Terrell said. "Thank a protester."

F.... Terrell.

Thank the soldier who gave this idiot the right to protest.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 12:29 pm
I'll second that.

**** Terrell, and I thank the soldier that earned me the right to say that.


Smile
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 12:43 pm
Why not thank them both?

Soldiers have proven invaluable in securing our freedoms from foreign sources; protestors have proven invaluable in securing our freedoms from ourselves.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 12:46 pm
The percentage of protests that result in meaningful change are laughable at best when compared to the amount of violence and destruction caused by all the others.

Want to thank a protester? Fine, but don't think they actually accomplish anything or have anything but their own personal self interest at heart. Never seen a more selfish lot.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 12:49 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Why not thank them both?

Soldiers have proven invaluable in securing our freedoms from foreign sources; protestors have proven invaluable in securing our freedoms from ourselves.

Cycloptichorn


Ok. Thanks Thomas Jefferson, thanks M. L. King.

As far as the 2 a-hole's (Goodner and Terrell) in the article - drop dead!
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 01:03 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Want to thank a protester? Fine, but don't think they actually accomplish anything or have anything but their own personal self interest at heart. Never seen a more selfish lot.


is that your opinion of all protesters, or just the ones that you consider "lefties" ?
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 01:46 pm
http://www.landkreis-coburg.de/aktuell/pressearchiv/1990wiedervereinigung.jpg

In some parts of the world, protesters finally achieved what soldiers didn't....



http://www.sportsoutlaw.com/forum/images/smilies/twocents.gif
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 01:51 pm
Quote:
Fine, but don't think they actually accomplish anything or have anything but their own personal self interest at heart.


Both my mom, my sister, and our black neighbors can vote in public elections; so, some protesters seem to have actually accomplished things in the past.

Cycloptichorn
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hamburger
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 01:53 pm
old europe : right you are !
and i don't believe for a moment that without MLK and his supporters , the civil rights movement would have been allowed to achieve any of its goals.

(as some people like to put it : 'those people should know their place in society; there is no need for them to get uppity !")
hbg
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hamburger
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 02:06 pm
protesters
anyone interested in understanding the civil rights movement, might want to read the book...VERNON CAN READ...
it's the biography of vernon jordan , who grew up as a black in the south and worked his way up the hard way . he became quite prominent in the civil rights movement and eventually became a leader in american society .
i certainly enjoyed the book - but i'm sure not everyone will like what he had to say. hbg
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 02:46 pm
old europe wrote:
http://www.landkreis-coburg.de/aktuell/pressearchiv/1990wiedervereinigung.jpg

In some parts of the world, protesters finally achieved what soldiers didn't....



http://www.sportsoutlaw.com/forum/images/smilies/twocents.gif

I'd like to give it to "the people" but they had nothing to do with it.
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 02:49 pm
Lash wrote:
I'd like to give it to "the people" but they had nothing to do with it.


Expand on your thoughts, Lash....
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 02:52 pm
Well, how about this... I'll expand on my thoughts, after you.

How did the protesters open the Berlin Wall?
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 02:58 pm
From Wiki:

Quote:
Mass demonstrations against the East German regime began in late 1989, most prominently the Monday demonstrations in Leipzig. Faced with civil unrest, East German leader Erich Honecker was forced to resign on October 18, 1989. More resignations followed when the entire East German cabinet stepped down on November 7. The travel restrictions for East Germans were subsequently removed by the new government on November 9, 1989, and many people immediately went to the Wall where the border guards opened access points and allowed them through. Emboldened, many Germans on both sides began to tear down sections of the Wall itself, leading to one of the most enduring news stories of the 20th century.

On March 18, 1990 the first and only free elections in the history of the GDR were held, producing a government whose major mandate was to negotiate an end to itself and its state.


or, more specifically, the Monday demonstrations (Montagsdemonstrationen):

Quote:
The 1989/1990 Monday demonstrations in the East German city of Leipzig were a series of peaceful political protests against the East German government.

The demonstrations began after prayers for peace in the Nikolai Church with parson Christian Führer. Safe in the knowledge that the church supported their stance, many East German citizens who wanted to leave the country joined in the court of the church, and non-violent demonstrations began in order to obtain rights like the freedom to travel to foreign countries and to elect a democratic government. By October 1989, more than 250,000 people had joined the demonstrations.

The most famous chant became Wir sind das Volk! - We are the people. Although the possibility of military intervention was threatened, the ruling SED ultimately refrained from any such action. The demonstrations eventually ended in March 1990, around the time of the elections that led to German reunification.


Any objections?
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 03:13 pm
Lash wrote:
How did the protesters open the Berlin Wall?


Like that:

http://a.relaunch.focus.de/img/gen/I/U/HBIUAbJaGSL_Pxgen_r_395xA.jpg
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hamburger
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 03:22 pm
lash wrote : "How did the protesters open the Berlin Wall?"

there were 'controlled' crossings from east to west berlin, checkpoint 'charlie' to name one.
the east-berliners essentially marched up to the check-points and pushed their way through past the police - and some of the 'volkspolizei' (police) joined in . frontend-loaders and sledgehammers actually brought down the wall.
one might say that the east-german government had lost its power to keep the people in check . neither the army nor the police were willing to shoot at their own people and the 'free democratic republic' collapsed .

there are plenty of filmclips available from those days. if you are interested, i'd think your local library should be able to obtain them for you.

i'd compare it to a kettle boiling over, at a certain point it can't be stopped; no matter how tightly one holds down the lid. hbg
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hamburger
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 03:36 pm
fredom
here is a blog from someone who must have ben a young fellow when the wall came down.
it's not written professinally but shows how a west-german saw it - plenty of photos and links .
there are plenty of newspaper articles and books available dealing with the fall of the wall . hbg
...THE BERLIN WALL...
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 04:01 pm
The "protesters" of the previous decades were murdered.

Do you think if they were still being shot and imprisoned as they had been for all those previous years, they would have been successful?

Do you really think protesters were the overwhelming reason that wall came down?
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 04:05 pm
Lash wrote:
Do you really think protesters were the overwhelming reason that wall came down?


Yes.

Do you not think so?
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 04:12 pm
I think they weren't.

I'm glad they were there, and I thrilled in the sight, but the groundwork that made it possible had already been laid by others.

They just had the fun of making it official. There was the physical wall, and the wall of demarcation. They made a symbolic attack on the symbolic wall. The other wall had already been blasted.
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