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If you Like Your Freedoms, Thank a Protestor

 
 
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2006 08:03 pm
Re: If you Like Your Freedoms, Thank a Protestor
Fedral wrote:
pachelbel wrote:

"If you like your freedoms, don't thank a soldier," Terrell said. "Thank a protester."


True, so true, because everyone remembers:

How the protesters fought the British at Breeds Hill, Lexington and Concord


in these particular cases, it's kinda true, isn't it. and the boston tea party ? afterall, it is called the revolutionary war.

but yeah, the rest of the artical is somewhat bunkish.

although it is interesting when soldiers become the protestors.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2006 08:14 pm
LionTamerX wrote:
Gotta go with The Station Agent... You'll love it.


yeah!!! exellent flick!
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2006 09:01 pm
Will you tell me about it? Pachelbell isn't looking.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2006 03:14 am
Lash wrote:
Will you tell me about it? Pachelbell isn't looking.


quirky, but not stupid. it's a very quiet film. basic is; outsider is set adrift from his routine existence. lands in a very unlikely shelter. enjoys and becomes part of the local color. hobnobs with fellow unlikelies(sic?), a few minutes of personal weirdness before all is right with the world.

i hate to spoil it for you, but the butler did it. or was it mrs. danvers ? canna 'member...

great film. you'll like it. :wink:
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pachelbel
 
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Reply Mon 20 Feb, 2006 01:23 am
yeah,
had it not been for the Vietnam war protestors they'd probably still be over there fighting a stupid war they could never win, losing thousands of lives-
kinda like the one now, in Iraq, ya know?
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Amigo
 
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Reply Mon 20 Feb, 2006 01:33 am
Hey check this out. It's kind of hokey

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11924.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 20 Feb, 2006 01:45 am
pachelbel wrote:
yeah,
had it not been for the Vietnam war protestors they'd probably still be over there fighting a stupid war they could never win, losing thousands of lives-
kinda like the one now, in Iraq, ya know?


If it wasn't for the Vietnam protesters & television (the realities of the war, blow by blow, & not reported by "imbedded" journalists!) most of us would not have known the truth of the situation. Freedom of the media & home-grown activism, what a powerful alliance!
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Vietnamnurse
 
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Reply Mon 20 Feb, 2006 10:50 am
Thank you for that post, Msolga!
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pachelbel
 
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Reply Mon 20 Feb, 2006 01:49 pm
msolga wrote:
pachelbel wrote:
yeah,
had it not been for the Vietnam war protestors they'd probably still be over there fighting a stupid war they could never win, losing thousands of lives-
kinda like the one now, in Iraq, ya know?


If it wasn't for the Vietnam protesters & television (the realities of the war, blow by blow, & not reported by "imbedded" journalists!) most of us would not have known the truth of the situation. Freedom of the media & home-grown activism, what a powerful alliance!


"Embedded" the new catch word for the 21st century, made popular by Michael Moore in his F. 9/11 docu. Too bad there are embedded journalists/media coverage of the travesty going on in Iraq.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Mon 20 Feb, 2006 02:01 pm
msolga wrote:
pachelbel wrote:
yeah,
had it not been for the Vietnam war protestors they'd probably still be over there fighting a stupid war they could never win, losing thousands of lives-
kinda like the one now, in Iraq, ya know?


If it wasn't for the Vietnam protesters & television (the realities of the war, blow by blow, & not reported by "imbedded" journalists!) most of us would not have known the truth of the situation. Freedom of the media & home-grown activism, what a powerful alliance!


didn't mean to imply that protesting a thing is meaningless. it's not. just that protestors alone are not what brings things to an end. i agree, the media is also quite instrumental. much more so with iraq than the vietnam war.

protestors were not originally viewed positively during the '60s. that came later.

but between the two forces, eventually the number of actual supporters dropped dramatically to a point where even the hawkish started asking just what the hell was going on. nobody likes to be made a fool of.

that's happening again now with iraq. thankfully it's taken a hell of a lot less time.
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 01:32 am
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
didn't mean to imply that protesting a thing is meaningless. it's not. just that protestors alone are not what brings things to an end. i agree, the media is also quite instrumental. much more so with iraq than the vietnam war.


Protesting is often the only avenue ordinary people have to declare their views on situations like Iraq. Do you think the US & "the coalition of the willing" would even have considered not invading Iraq, once they'd made their deals? But ordinary people, in their millions, word-wide, clearly said that this was not what we wanted. It was abundantly clear that Iraq was invaded against the wishes of millions of us. Many have lost faith in the governments they elected, which went ahead & invaded despite their wishes.

And it certainly helps to have media with integrity! For starters, people can understand the real issues, rather than having to deal with cynical & manipulative spin! I believe that many people have given up on "news" from the establishment media. The war mongers & manipulators rely on apathy & gullibility to have their way. But hey, they never figured on the internet as a source of alternative information for those who are trying to find the truth of the situation! Maybe Rupert Murdoch will end up putting himself out of business? Twisted Evil
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 02:14 am
Vietnamnurse wrote:
Thank you for that post, Msolga!


Surprised

How lovely to see you here again, Vietnamnurse!

Greetings!

(& do post more often, hey?) Very Happy
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 11:06 am
I don't ever seeing myself thanking a protester. It's too easy to be against something. If they were truly dedicated, they would involve themselves in a more useful pursuit.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 11:08 am
Yeah, it's not like protesting ever accomplishes anything...

http://www.jfklibrary.org/images/mlk3.jpg
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hamburger
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 11:13 am
soz : thanks for your post !
there is no doubt in my mind : protests are every citizens right and tool to achieve peaceful change.
one of the most importatnt pursuits of a responsible citizen . hbg
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 12:12 pm
I love that picture, soz.

It gave me chillbumps.

Two old white guys, hanging on to protect him, and the diverse crowd behind them...

I think, though, that trying to minimize the efforts of the soldier is just as bad, if not worse, than minimizing the efforts of SOME protesters. <--This not directed to soz, as she already expressed her views on this issue.

Not all protesters are of value.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 12:18 pm
Should I now counter with hundreds of pictures of burning, over-turned cars, blazing effigies, fire hoses, barricades and other assorted images of the havoc protesters have caused?

Are those all ok because MLK marched the streets?
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 12:21 pm
Exactly.

There has been great damage done by some protests, and certainly some protests are bankrolled by special interests for profiteering.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 12:23 pm
Robert Welch with the John Birch society was bankrolled by the Mormon Church.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 12:28 pm
Ya see?

Planned Parenthood must spend zillions, too.
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