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Glad you feel that way, msolga. Very Happy

He was a radical.

I'm sorry. The constant mischaracterizations got the best of me momentarily. I don't pretend to even approach the example -- but it kills me to see Him dragged around behind contemporary dogma.

Thanks for being so kind about it, olga. I wish people could read about what He did--separate from the crap foisted on Him by religious institutions. They were what He fought.

Of course, he broke religious laws constantly. But, I'm no suitable spokesperson. Sometimes, I can't be quiet about it. What you said, though, gave me heart. Thanks.

Absolutely, soz. Sometimes, there is a higher law than the one written for us.

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Momma your nuts. Rome was the law. Christianity was illegal. Jesus was the ultimate Law breaker a fearless revolutionary against the government for the sake of men against all odds.

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Very true, soz, and I think the author also realized that.

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Lash wrote:

He was a brave, innovative thinker, who broke the law almost every day--on principle.

A figure of myth not fact. No historians of the time mention Jesus.

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Shall we wager, mini Setanta?

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No historians of the time mention Jesus. Suetonius (65-135) does not. Pliny the Younger only mentions Christians (Paulists) with no comment of Jesus himself. Tacitus mentions a Jesus, but it is likely that after a century of Christian preaching Tacitus was just reacting to these rumours, or probably talking about one of the many other Messiah's of the time. Josephus, a methodical, accurate and dedicated historian of the time mentions John the Baptist, Herod, Pilate and many aspects of Jewish life but does not mention Jesus. (The Testimonium Flavianum has been shown to be a third century Christian fraud). He once mentions a Jesus, but gives no information other than that he is a brother of a James. Jesus was not an unusual name, either. Justus, another Jewish historian who lived in Tiberias (near Kapernaum, a place Jesus frequented) did not mention Jesus nor any of his miracles. It is only in the evidence of later writers, writing about earlier times, that we find a Jesus.

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Forthwith, I shall sally forth to the minimart for beers, and return with me trusty dagger and sixpence....and Google.

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Amigo,

I'm nuts? Hmmm. What kind? Cashew or peanut? Laughing

Lash,

Christ was a radical in the sense He was so against the hypocrisy of the Pharisees and the Scribes. However, He was not about rallying protesting groups together to overthrow the government. His laws were above mans' laws and those are the laws He wanted instilled.

He did not come to set up a physical literal kingdom on this earth. His kingdom is a kingdom of the spirit. So, I think it's important to define the type of radical one calls Christ. :wink:

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How did we get from breaking laws to overthrowing the government...?

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Lash wrote:

Shall we wager, mini Setanta?

Sure, I think it apropos to wager nuts.

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Lash wrote:

Glad you feel that way, msolga.

He was a radical.

I'm sorry. The constant mischaracterizations got the best of me momentarily. I don't pretend to even approach the example -- but it kills me to see Him dragged around behind contemporary dogma.

Thanks for being so kind about it, olga. I wish people could read about what He did--separate from the crap foisted on Him by religious institutions. They were what He fought.

Of course, he broke religious laws constantly. But, I'm no suitable spokesperson. Sometimes, I can't be quiet about it. What you said, though, gave me heart. Thanks.

Absolutely, soz. Sometimes, there is a higher law than the one written for us.

Yes, I agree with you, Lash. Once religions get dragged into supporting particular conservative political positions &/or the vested interests of "the powerful establishment", their power & influence diminishes. Me, I'm perfectly happy to march along with Christians, Buddhists, The United Firefighters Union, Mum's for Peace, school children, etc., for good causes. The more of us the better! Particularly in these extremely difficult political times. It is so hard to make my own federal government listen to us, no matter how strong our numbers & how passionate our will!

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He broke the law. Many times. Your rhetoric is not thick enough to camouflage your attempt to dodge the issue.

He

broke

the

law.

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Sozobe,

Many thought Christ was there to overthrow the Roman government and establish His kingdom. But, they were wrong.

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Lash,

If, as you say, He broke the law. Why not point out where?

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They asked Pontius Pilate to kill him.

They do not believe or worship the New Testament.

They think he's a great teacher but not the son of God. He's in there with Buddha and Mohammad.

What other proof do you want, other than they have been kicked out of every Christian nation in the past.

Still past youranus?

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sozobe wrote:

How did we get from breaking laws to overthrowing the government...?

Soz has picked up on the treachery, as well.

I did not say He planned to overthrow any government.

That is your attempt to avoid admitting you are wrong.

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Chumly wrote:

Lash wrote:
Shall we wager, mini Setanta?
Sure, I think it apropos to wager nuts.

Cashews....on to the minimart. BBL!!!

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Lash wrote:

Forthwith, I shall sally forth to the minimart for beers, and return with me trusty dagger and sixpence....and Google.

A woman after my own heart... Could you pick me up some pork rinds, and a lottery ticket ?

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Lash wrote:

He broke the law. Many times. Your rhetoric is not thick enough to camouflage your attempt to dodge the issue.

He

broke

the

law.

You're exactly right. What part of John 2:15, I believe it was, concerning him turning over the money tables, didn't you get, Momma? Jesus WAS an activist. No question about it.

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No Lash, it was just an explanation of what I thought a radical is. I then explained to Sozobe that many thought He was there to overthrow the government but He wasn't.

I don't have a problem admitting I'm wrong when I am. Not one bit.

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