State of the union speech.So what.

RexRed wrote:

During the presidential address Hillary looked like she had a sour lemon in her mouth...

Maybe she was regretting some of her partisan political slurs that seem to have left her in the radical left minority of the room...

The left thought they had a roaring applause going on for obstructing medicare reform till they heard the thunderous boos erupt!

We need to vote these obstructionists posing as democrats out of our government and truly get the work of the people done.

They can take the road of Tom Delay... their delay tactics should expose them for the no good for nothing power mongers that they are.

And I suppose that HMO Crook Bill Frist is the epitomy of family values, virtues and all that is well with the Republican party? You clowns are such phonies.... such hypocrites that it's laughable.

I have never seen so many people who could tell so many bald faced lies with such a straight face.

I don't particulary care for much of anything in the Democratic party these days but they don't hold a candle to the corrupt, power crazy, crooks from the other side of the isle.

Anon-Voter wrote:

What kind of moron cheers the defeat of all the checks and balances of government???

Anon

You call obstruction on nearly every issue government? I call it special interest payoffs and kickbacks.

Roxxxanne wrote:

How sad is it for a grwon man to make fun of the way a grieving mother of a fallen war hero looks?

Cindy is not grieving when she is all shiny happy faces while being arrested and now hugging up to Hugo Chavez. She is using the death of her son for solely political gain. Cindy is unethical and immoral to take her son's volunteer sacrifice and drag it through the gutter... She has not one ounce of credibility left.

Finn d'Abuzz wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:

I think it's perfectly plausible that he is not the enemy AND we are all a poor example of the opposition to the enemy. So what are you?

I am a supporter of Bush, but I will listen to his speech to determine if my support can be sustained. I will not assume, based on ideological bias, that what he has to say is reasonable or unreasonable.

i find your determination that those opposing bush on a2k are a poor example to be less than satisfying finn. just doesn't work since you've been among those who also criticize the people who oppose him in the street.

Something is screwed up with my internet connection. This is the third time I have written a response to DTM's post. Believe me, the first two were brilliant, but now it's getting late and I don't know if I can replicate my prior performances.

I don't believe that I have ever criticized the people who oppose Bush "in the street," unless they have violated laws or engaged in irrational hyperbole. I must tell you though that I find the notion that there is a street opposition to Bush as laughable. This is precisely the element of current political discourse that I find so troublesome. It is the residue of the 60's when "Street Fighting Man" was an anthem. One has every right to think that the policies of the Bush Administration are wrongminded and ultimately harmful to the United States. One also has a right to be a flaming idiot in the expression of one's opposition, but that right doesn't extend to requiring anyone to take the expression seriously.

The Baby Boomer generation have, I'm sad to say, been something of a blight on American Society. Were we (for I am a Boomer) there when it counted on civil rights, Vietnam, and governmental corruption? Yes we were and we should feel a certain pride in this regard. The prior generation, if left to their own devices, probably would not have confronted these problems; not because they were venal, but because they tended to not question the status quo. But that time has passed and we Boomers have to stop trying to relive our youth.



now question 1 is; does this measure also work for a2k bush supporters ? in other words, does blasting liberals, dems, cindy sheehan, abortionists on a2k make you guys excellent bush supporters ? have you attended pro-war rallies? joined up with "moving america forward" on the road trips ? gone to washington to challenge abortion rights ?

this is all directed at the rhetorical "you", btw.


Your question has either been improperly phrased or is irrelevant.

A Bush Supporter need only have an understanding of Bush policies.

An opponent of Liberal philosophy and policy must have a clear understanding of the positions with which they disagree.

It is not necessary for you or I to infiltrate the activities of the party with which we express disagreement in order to validate that disagreement. I don't need to march with Pro-Choice activists and you do not need to march with Pro-Life activists.

I do need to be able to articulate, with a certain accuracy, what Liberals believe and you need to articulate, with a certain accuracy, what Conservative believe. There is really no room for the sort of hyperbolic nonsense that we so often see on A2K.

In my opposition to them, I need to understand the rational and ridiculous arguments of the Left. The former i get from Liberal pundits and media; the latter I get from A2K (sorry - I couldn't resist)---

i do agree with you on this point; if you really oppose the actions of george bush and his administration, it is imperative to listen to his speeches, q&a's and especially the sotu.

I'm glad -- seriously. Whether one listens to the speech or reads the transcript is really immaterial. I must point out though that until I entered the thread with a critical response, there was no mention of reading transcripts.

you mention that you personally will be listening to decide if he deserves your continued support.

after the last election, i stated that i believed that, absent any hard proof of election tampering, i wasn't interested in pursuing "stolen election; the sequel"; that he was the president and i would give him a chance to change my mind. our own bush supporter, the lovely just wonders, even thought that in doing so, i might even begin to "like dubya, just a little".

sadly, our president has not cowboyed up on that one for me.

now, as to listening to the sotu, i've been doing that for decades, so no news there. but since i still don't care much for george bush's presidency or his policies, i use the appropriate state of mind for his speeches...

"keep you enemies close and your friends closer"...

Fair enough. George Bush is not a religious figure. He can't lay claim to infallibility. There are plenty of actions he has taken with which I have a problem, but as my closing quote suggests there are times when I cannot give in on a issue because the opposition is so insipid.

Declarations that Bush is a Nazi, or trying to establish a dictatorship are insipid. I cannot take them, at all, seriously.

Arguments that Bush is trying to expand Executive power too far or is increasing the deficit by arguing for permanent tax cuts are one with which I will disagree, but respect.

It's easy to reach conclusion based on emotional urges. The flow takes you to the end. It's a whole lot tougher to think about the issues and accept that while you or I may vehemently disagree with the proposals of George Bush or John Kerry, we resist the tendency to assume that the person with whom we disagree is evil rather than being of a different mind.

(BTW--This is a reasonable facsimile to my two prior brilliant posts)

Magginkat wrote:

RexRed wrote:

During the presidential address Hillary looked like she had a sour lemon in her mouth...

Maybe she was regretting some of her partisan political slurs that seem to have left her in the radical left minority of the room...

The left thought they had a roaring applause going on for obstructing medicare reform till they heard the thunderous boos erupt!

We need to vote these obstructionists posing as democrats out of our government and truly get the work of the people done.

They can take the road of Tom Delay... their delay tactics should expose them for the no good for nothing power mongers that they are.

And I suppose that HMO Crook Bill Frist is the epitomy of family values, virtues and all that is well with the Republican party? You clowns are such phonies.... such hypocrites that it's laughable.

I have never seen so many people who could tell so many bald faced lies with such a straight face.

I don't particulary care for much of anything in the Democratic party these days but they don't hold a candle to the corrupt, power crazy, crooks from the other side of the isle.

And what is wrong with wealth? What a weak argument. Harry Reid smirking while he said in an interview yesterday he did send a letter to endorse indian cassinos... does that smell like a rose to you?

Finn,

You have to be careful if you are spell-checking or previewing before your post. I have dumped several after spending a lot of time on them. I have started doing a copy before I start messing with them. If I spend a lot of time, I even take intermediate copies. It saves a ton of frustration!

Anon

I'm glad -- seriously. Whether one listens to the speech or reads the transcript is really immaterial. I must point out though that until I entered the thread with a critical response, there was no mention of reading transcripts.

Finn d'Abuzz wrote:

I'm glad -- seriously. Whether one listens to the speech or reads the transcript is really immaterial. I must point out though that until I entered the thread with a critical response, there was no mention of reading transcripts.

Err, not to nit pick, Finn, but have a look on page 1. But glad you dropped in anyway.

Otherwise, that post was pretty good. I don't know about brilliant, but pretty good. How's that new year's resolution coming along?

Anon-Voter wrote:

Finn,

You have to be careful if you are spell-checking or previewing before your post. I have dumped several after spending a lot of time on them. I have started doing a copy before I start messing with them. If I spend a lot of time, I even take intermediate copies. It saves a ton of frustration!

Anon

Good advice - thanks!

(See? We can be friends )

RexRed wrote:

Anon-Voter wrote:

What kind of moron cheers the defeat of all the checks and balances of government???

Anon

You call obstruction on nearly every issue government? I call it special interest payoffs and kickbacks.

A good example of Republican Values!!!

Anon

RexRed wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:

How sad is it for a grwon man to make fun of the way a grieving mother of a fallen war hero looks?

Cindy is not grieving when she is all shiny happy faces while being arrested and now hugging up to Hugo Chavez. She is using the death of her son for solely political gain. Cindy is unethical and immoral to take her son's volunteer sacrifice and drag it through the gutter... She has not one ounce of credibility left.

You don't know squat about Cindy and your opinion of her activity shows just how what a shallow mind you have. What she does and how she chooses to do it is none of your business.

You Bush lovers have one screwed up sense of patriotism. I have news for you.. Worship of a morn is not patriotic.

I happen to know a little bit about Cindy and her family. Contrary to what her Bush loving ex-in-laws try to spread around, her children support her. Her daughter Carly wrote a beautiful poem about Cindy shortly after Casey's death.

We military families have several groups, Military Families Speak Out, Gold Star Mothers, Veterans for Peace, Iraq Veterans & several others with thousands of members. We most certainly did not come together to support a murdering, obscene illegal war.

We came together to support our children, spouses, parents, etc., who were being shipped to George Bush's hell hole. AND we came together to speak out against this illegal & illicit war.

Cindy was speaking out against this obscene war before Casey was shipped to the hell hole to be murdered by George Bush lies.

If you think that Cindy is using Casey's death for political gain, just what the hell do you call what George Bush and that bunch of money grubbing, power hungry, crooks are doing? Please don't insult what little intelligence you may have by spewing those gawd-awful sound bytes about fighting terrorism.

That crap is getting to the stage where it is making most of the country want to puke.

If you find that last post a bit harsh well good! It was meant to be! Cindy showed up at the presidential state of the union address tonight with a banner intending to disrupt the proceedings... They quietly escorted her out of the building.. Had someone shown up and held a banner up while she was hugging Hugo saying something like "Hugo is a liar!" They would have been shot on site! And that would I'm sure have been acceptable to her... She may have even gotten a charge out of it. How dare they defy a dictator over an elected president!

Also if she is so anti war why didn't she MAKE her son not go? After all she loves dictators so much! What right does her son have to do with his own life as he pleases? It certainly would have been much easer than what she is doing now... Going against the vast majority of democratic Americans to spread her hate for our country...

This is all about Cindy and nothing more.

Cindy Who??? Her 15 minutes was up months ago.

Dull speech, nothing new.

I found it somewhat curious that during this past year, we lost a whole city in the South and it gets about 6 sentances at the end of the speech. Yet not one Dummycrat picked up on this.