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MEN F**K..... WOMEN MAKE LOVE

 
 
sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2003 09:04 pm
fishin'! Look what you did! We LIKE gettin-some Slappy!!
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2003 10:40 pm
Spanish saying - jodida y mal pagada, meaning f----ed and poorly paid for it.

Which I guess sums it up for a lot of people raised with certain ideas about the whole thing.

It's complicated, but one of the things about it is that it can be fun.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 12:29 am
Differences in sexual attitude are evolutionary. The reason that animals mate only when the females are in "heat" (except for dolphins) is because the female produces clear signals to tell nearby males that she's ready to breed. The hidden ovulation of human females ensures that they are constantly attractive to human males.

As for the issue of the thread, I see it more as men simply seem to have the choice. A man would rather make love with someone special, but if that's not available we've got no trouble having a good time with whoever is.

One more thing. If men were not ready to have sex at a moment's notice. If human males were as difficult to get in the "mood" so to speak, as human females, we'd still be living in caves. Because there'd only be 10 000 people in the world.
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Montana
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 05:09 am
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 05:09 am
Wilso- I think that sexual attitudes are BOTH evolutionary and learned. They are formed by biology, and modified by culture.

Slappy- I like you MUCH better when you are warm and fuzzy. I think that the hardboiled attitude that you project is a coverup. I don't think that you want people to know that you really are a sentimental softie! Very Happy
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 05:15 am
Rae-

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Even though I'd brought it out into the open many times, I often wonder (now) why he continued to hide it from me. That's what hurt the most.


I think that you need to stop flagellating yourself. From what you are saying, it sounds like HE had the problem. It really had NOTHING to do with you, personally. Hiding the porn for a sex junkie is exactly the same thing as an alcoholic hiding the booze!

Unless he subsequently went into therapy, I would bet that he still involves himself in obsessive porn!
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JoanneDorel
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 05:28 am
Mapleleaf I find that i could not vote since the poll seems biased and intended to separate sex and love and I am not sure of why if you are trying to separate love and sex on the basis of age and gender? Maybe you could add a none of the above for people who don't agree with any of your statements?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 07:47 am
Hmmmm - what could I possibly add? Well - I think both have their place - pure lust and loving, emotional, moving and epiphanitous making love.

With REAL luck, you find it with the same person! With any luck, you find it at different times with different people. Both are fantastic - I have had the wonderful fortune to find both with my partners - pure, dirty (in the best sense of the word) f*****g and wonderful, intense, soul-shaking communion.

As for the difference in appetite, the women and men I know tend to agree with me that, while young men have a great appetite for variety, when it comes to ongoing, steady desire, women have it way over men - I am engaged in debate about this with a number of young men as we speak, and they will not believe me. I suspect, in a few years, they will. If you are reading this, guys - let's talk again in ten years, right? Certainly, my ex-partners and close male friends are, and have always been, on my side in this.

As for the prisoner thing - and I have a lot of professional experience in this - the women who tend to do the prisoner thingare, indeed, the hurt, fragile and abused cohort, who fall for the charm of the average contained sociopath, and the safety and unreality of the imprisoned relationship.

It all tends to fall apart when reality hits, very fast - but try telling 'em that!
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New Haven
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 08:12 am
Wilso:

"Hidden ovulation" of human females?

Are there any women out there whose ovulation is visible and not hidden?
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 08:27 am
New Haven- All human females' ovulation is hidden, unlike many animals, who give off visible physical signals! (Did you ever have an unspayed female cat? If you did, you would CERTAINLY know about obvious signals of ovulation! Laughing )
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 08:27 am
d-- Lol, biggest mistake I ever made was dating a woman in uni days who's fave book was 'The Story of O'...at first that sounded hot, but then the 'issues' started coming out...crazy mom, alky dad....past abuse...had to get out. Luckily, she found her salvation in someone else, but it sure was tough being the blueprint.

As for those dolphins that everyone loves at Seaworld, did you know the males regularily corral and repeatedly rape their womenfolk? If a few get caught in a tuna net, I'm eating dolphin....
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New Haven
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 08:33 am
Phoenix:

ovulation in the human female is "hidden" since no one sees the physical expulsion of the mature ovum from it's oocyte producing tissue.
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Mapleleaf
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 10:52 am
If we are to believe the informed opinions on this thread, there appear to be some myths re sexuality in the U.S. In what ways does our culture promote these...say commercials, films, etc.
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littlek
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 10:53 am
Man, gone for a few days and return to find this at the top of the threads list! And authored by Mapleleaf no less! Wow.....
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littlek
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 11:04 am
So, ok, I voted with the majority. I call fvcking "maintenance sex". I think that it's best to be in love while in a relationship and therefor, some sex is bound to be love-making, but that some sex need not be anything more than sex.

And, NH, I think that human ovulation is very noticable if not visible. I act differently when I'm ovulating, I'm more confident, feel sexier, etc. And I'm not sure if guys are picking up on my attitude change or if they can sense the hormone change. I tend to think they smell it. Like dogs.... hahaha, I couldn't help myself. I'm ovulating. Now, ovulating I call "droppin an egg". And I blame those eggs for the trouble I get myself into during times like these.
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littlek
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 11:17 am
Mapleleaf wrote:
If we are to believe the informed opinions on this thread, there appear to be some myths re sexuality in the U.S. In what ways does our culture promote these...say commercials, films, etc.


Everything mainstream promotes the stereotypes. Stereotypes sell. Expensive weddings, engagement rings, anniversary gifts, valentines..... right on down to the porn industry.
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Rae
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 12:26 pm
Phoenix ~ okay, alright already! I'll stop beating myself up over it!!! :wink:
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 12:37 pm
Stereotypes SO sell, especially sexual stereotypes....question is, why do we still buy? Sometimes I wonder if the great philosophers and religious leaders who said humankind could rise above their base nature were alive today, would they take a look around and say 'Holy crap! We were wrong! Where's the nearest pub? After all these years in the grave, I feel like a party!' :wink:
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oldandknew
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 12:51 pm
Well ladies, as far as I a mere male is concerned, my realationships with women are measured by a major belief. -------
If the relationship doesn't work in the head, It ain't gonna work in bed
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Rae
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 12:57 pm
Has that been the determining factor all your life, oldandknew?
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