Sheehan shirking taxes why again?

I still haven't seen how she is being smeared? How the govt is leading the charge.

Chrissee:

You will have to scour the forum to see why I'm not in Iraq, it has been stated several times. Better yet ask BBear he knows. If you must know I will be leaving for my mobilization site on or around the 6th of Oct and from there I should be in Afghanistan by January. Does that clear thing up for you?

Baldimo wrote:

I still haven't seen how she is being smeared? How the govt is leading the charge.

Chrissee:

You will have to scour the forum to see why I'm not in Iraq, it has been stated several times. Better yet ask BBear he knows. If you must know I will be leaving for my mobilization site on or around the 6th of Oct and from there I should be in Afghanistan by January. Does that clear thing up for you?

As aveteran of the initial invasion of afghanistan,I have some suggestions for you..

1. KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN!!!
2.Get some warm socks,because it does get chilly there at nights
3.KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN
4.get yourself a good book to read.Its a looooooong flight over there
5.KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN
6.The locals are fairly friendly,but dont turn your back on them.
They will steal you blind.
They do it not to be mean,but to see if they can.
7.KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN

That concludes my speech to you about Afghanistan

She is a political activist using her son to further her goals. Where she simply a grieving mother she would not have her face plastered on the news.

But after being confronted with what happened to Jack Ryan, you amended your initial claim that it is unacceptable to examine the divorce records of a person (whose marriage is their "private life"), and say it is acceptable under certain circumstances.

woiyo wrote:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-08-16-sheehan-unnerved_x.htm

Oh Boy...This gets juicy....


"Sheehan is being championed and financially underwritten by liberal groups. A conference call with reporters Tuesday was sponsored by MoveOn Political Action, TrueMajority and Democracy for America. She's being helped here by a PR assistant who works for Fenton Communications, which is being paid to help Sheehan by TrueMajority, a group founded by Ben Cohen of Ben & Jerry's ice cream.

Other groups that share Sheehan's view are promoting her cause. Some are seeking donations on their Web sites based on her protest. On Tuesday, Elizabeth Edwards, wife of 2004 Democratic vice presidential nominee John Edwards, e-mailed supporters and asked them to sign an online petition backing Sheehan."

She is being BANKROLLED by liberal groups???

How much does it cost to sit down all day? $20-$50 a day??

Something smells about this/.

Dude, you're outta the loop.
That's old news. Moveon and Soros stepped in a while ago.
But like I said elsewhere, this is no more "newsworthy" than how the religious right pumped money and influence into the Schaivo case.
Are you surprised that dem friendly groups would pounce on this...especially after the neocons politicized the Schaivo case 'till they were blue in the face. (pardon the pun)

So if your statement is correct that "dem friendly groups" moved in "a while ago" then that statement furthers my suspicion that this is not about a "mothers grief".

CINDY UNLEASHED: "THE BIGGEST TERRORIST IN THE WORLD IS GEORGE W. BUSH"
Wed Aug 17 2005 21:51:56 ET

"We are not waging a war on terror in this country. We're waging a war of terror. The biggest terrorist in the world is George W. Bush!"

So declared Cindy Sheehan earlier this year during a rally at San Francisco State University.

Sheehan, who is demanding a second meeting with Bush, stated: "We are waging a nuclear war in Iraq right now. That country is contaminated. It will be contaminated for practically eternity now."

Sheehan unleashed a foul-mouth tirade on April 27, 2005:

"They're a bunch of ******* hypocrites! And we need to, we just need to rise up..." Sheehan said of the Bush administration.

"If George Bush believes his rhetoric and his bullshit, that this is a war for freedom and democracy, that he is spreading freedom and democracy, does he think every person he kills makes Iraq more free?"

"The whole world is damaged. Our humanity is damaged. If he thinks that it's so important for Iraq to have a U.S.-imposed sense of freedom and democracy, then he needs to sign up his two little party-animal girls. They need to go to this war."

"We want our country back and, if we have to impeach everybody from George Bush down to the person who picks up dog **** in Washington, we will impeach all those people."

END

Cindy Sheehan (Military Families Speak Out; Goldstar Families for Peace; her son Casey was killed in the Iraq War)



First, I want to give my little story about Lynne. Of course, you all have read To Kill a Mockingbird. Lynne is my human Atticus Finch. He did what he knew was right, but wasn't popular. And that's what Lynne is doing. {applause}

We are not waging a war on terror in this country. We're waging a war of terror. The biggest terrorist in the world is George W. Bush. {applause}

How many more people are we going to let him kill before we stop him? I'm going to talk about free speech and recruitment. Do you know that it costs $66,000 to recruit one recruit? That's continuing all of their - you know, the recruiter's salary, the recruiter's bonus, the place that they rent to recruit and things like that. All the perks they get and everything. That's not even training the recruit. It costs our government about $6,000 a year on each child in California. $46,000 a year to house a prisoner in our state. Our priorities are seriously screwed up, as I mentioned.

I really want to thank you guys for doing this, especially the young people. It gives me so much hope to know that there's young people who care more about who's our next American Idol - less about that. You guys care more about people being killed. There's too many that care more about the next American Idol. Too many people in our country that don't even really know we have a war going on. You know, they never have to think of the war, and I'll never, ever forget this war. I can never forget it, even when I'm sleeping {tears} I know that we're in a war and I know that George Bush and his band of neo-cons and their neo-con agenda killed my son. And I'll never, ever, ever forget.

I take responsibility partly for my son's death, too. I was raised in a country by a public school system that taught us that America was good, that America was just. America has been killing people, like my sister over here says, since we first stepped on this continent, we have been responsible for death and destruction. I passed on that bullshit to my son and my son enlisted. I'm going all over the country telling moms: "This country is not worth dying for. If we're attacked, we would all go out. We'd all take whatever we had. I'd take my rolling pin and I'd beat the attackers over the head with it. But we were not attacked by Iraq. {applause} We might not even have been attacked by Osama bin Laden if {applause}. 9/11 was their Pearl Harbor to get their neo-con agenda through and, if I would have known that before my son was killed, I would have taken him to Canada. I would never have let him go and try and defend this morally repugnant system we have. The people are good, the system is morally repugnant. {applause}

Please - teach your babies, teach your babies better than I taught my babies. When Congress gave George Bush the right to go to war, they abrogated their constitutional responsibilities and they basically made our constitution null and void. We have no checks and balances in this country. We have no recourse. If they're going to what they did to Lynne, they don't have backs they call names, what we need to be is, we the people, we're their checks and balances. We're the only checks and balances. We have to stand up and say, Not only is this our school, this is our country. We want our country back and, if we have to impeach everybody from George Bush down to the person who picks up dog **** in Washington, we will impeach all those people. Our country needs to {unintelligible} we need to start over again.

I just want to say that you students, Students Against War, you have all my support and all my organization's support. I told Kristen if you have any actions and you need a ringleader, that I only live about an hour away. I'll be here. If I can sleep on somebody's floor, we can have this, we can camp out, do whatever we need.

And I just want to way to George Bush and I want to say to the people who are here, that are still sheep {unintelligible} and following him blindly: if George Bush believes his rhetoric and his bullshit, that this is a war for freedom and democracy, that he is spreading freedom and democracy, does he think every person he kills makes Iraq more free? It doesn't make us more free. It damages our humanity. The whole world is damaged. Our humanity is damaged. If he thinks that it's so important for Iraq to have a U.S.-imposed sense of freedom and democracy, then he needs to sign up his two little party-animal girls. They need to go this war. They need to fight because a just war, the definition of a just war, and maybe you people here who still think this is a just war, the definition of a just war is one that you would send your own children to die in. That you would go die in yourself. And you aren't willing to send your own children, or if you're not willing to go die yourself, then you bring there rest of our kids home now. It is despicable what they're doing. {applause}

What they're saying, too, is like, it's okay for Israel to have nuclear weapons. But Iran or Syria better not get nuclear weapons. It's okay for the United States to have nuclear weapons. It's okay for the countries that we say it's okay for. We are waging a nuclear war in Iraq right now. That country is contaminated. It will be contaminated for practically eternity now. It's okay for them to have them, but Iran or Syria can't have them. It's okay for Israel to occupy Palestine, but it's - yeah - and it's okay for Iraq to occupy - I mean, for the United States to occupy Iraq, but it's not okay for Syria to be in Lebanon. They're a bunch of ******* hypocrites! And we need to, we just need to rise up. We need a revolution and make it be peaceful and make it be loving and let's just show them all the love we have for humanity because we want to stop the inhumane slaughter.

{wild applause}

I love it when she says she would not have allowed her son to enlist, that she would have taken him to Canada.

Why take him to Canada? Just to keep him from enlisting? Wow, couldn't she have just said "Casey, I will not allow you to enlist?" She talks as though she thinks he was drafted. Oh wait, there is that small problem that he was an adult and she could not have stopped him anyway. But she forgets that. Evidently he wanted to enlist.

I think her grief has overwhelmed her and she apparently needs some serious counseling. Oh, and for all those who are ga-ga over her, please don't misunderstand me. I'm not objecting to her protest or trying to smear her. Simply pointing out some errors in thinking now that she has taken it upon herself to be the poster child for the anti-war effort.

I love it when she says she would not have allowed her son to enlist, that she would have taken him to Canada.

Why take him to Canada? Just to keep him from enlisting? Wow, couldn't she have just said "Casey, I will not allow you to enlist?" She talks as though she thinks he was drafted. Oh wait, there is that small problem that he was an adult and she could not have stopped him anyway. But she forgets that. Evidently he wanted to enlist.

I think her grief has overwhelmed her and she apparently needs some serious counseling. Oh, and for all those who are ga-ga over her, please don't misunderstand me. I'm not objecting to her protest or trying to smear her. Simply pointing out some errors in thinking now that she has taken it upon herself to be the poster child for the anti-war effort.

So if your statement is correct that "dem friendly groups" moved in "a while ago" then that statement furthers my suspicion that this is not about a "mothers grief".

.....but now her cause has been taken over and has given 'legitimacy' to the Move On's and that whole voice to where she's now a 'Tragedy Ho' and they're her pimp. Sad.

she automatically becomes a "Tragedy Ho" and she becomes invalid because of that.

I have seen this but can not determine if this event occurred before or after her first meeting with GW.

Do you have any info on the date of this event?

BrandX wrote:

.....but now her cause has been taken over and has given 'legitimacy' to the Move On's and that whole voice to where she's now a 'Tragedy Ho' and they're her pimp. Sad.

I'm glad to see that you pro-Bush folks have slowly worked your way over to the position that after losing a son in Iraq, Cindy has the right to protest. It took some doing, but you actually appear to have achieved that much.

But now, the anti-Cindy line is that it's okay for her to protest, but not successfully. If she is too successful in the protest and causes others to support her, she automatically becomes a "Tragedy Ho" and she becomes invalid because of that.

Cindy is really causing problems for Bush supporters, isn't she? You guys are really scrambling around trying to find reasons that she's not supposed to be okay.

BrandX wrote:

.....but now her cause has been taken over and has given 'legitimacy' to the Move On's and that whole voice to where she's now a 'Tragedy Ho' and they're her pimp. Sad.

I'm glad to see that you pro-Bush folks have slowly worked your way over to the position that after losing a son in Iraq, Cindy has the right to protest. It took some doing, but you actually appear to have achieved that much.

But now, the anti-Cindy line is that it's okay for her to protest, but not successfully. If she is too successful in the protest and causes others to support her, she automatically becomes a "Tragedy Ho" and she becomes invalid because of that.

Cindy is really causing problems for Bush supporters, isn't she? You guys are really scrambling around trying to find reasons that she's not supposed to be okay.

I just don't understand why the MSM rushes to her side when there are plenty of parents who lost sons and daughters who don't take her side.

Aren't their opinions just as valid and deserving of equal press time?

Marine's mother: Support the fight
Dyer among the Marines killed in the August 3 bombing in Iraq


Thursday, August 18, 2005; Posted: 9:10 a.m. EDT (13:10 GMT)

WEST CHESTER, Ohio (AP) -- The mother of a Marine killed in Iraq urged mourners Wednesday not to let their anger and sadness turn them against the U.S. fight in Iraq.

"Honor me in this way," Kathy Dyer said during a memorial service for Lance Cpl. Christopher J. Dyer, 19, of the Cincinnati suburb of Evendale.

At the funeral at Tri-County Baptist Church, Kathy Dyer delivered what she believed would have been her son's own message: "It has been with the greatest pride I have served ... fighting to preserve freedom."

She said he would want mourners to continue supporting the troops in the war against terrorism.

Dyer and eight other Marines from Columbus-based Lima Company were among 14 killed August 3 in the deadliest roadside bombing of U.S. troops in Iraq. The company is part of the Cleveland-based 3rd Battalion, 25th Marines, which has been hit hard by attacks that have killed 16 members in recent weeks.

Later Wednesday, vigils were planned across the country in support of Cindy Sheehan, a slain soldier's mother who has been camping outside President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas. She has promised to stay for his monthlong ranch visit unless he meets with her and other grieving families.

At Dyer's funeral about 1,000 mourners were told about the kindness and drive of the college-bound honor student who had a lifelong interest in the military. Relatives said he chose the Marines as a way to serve his country and challenge himself.

"He saw this as just another way to measure himself, another test," said his father, John Dyer. "Chris didn't want to be less than the best at anything."

Janet Hertlein, whose son Michael grew up with Dyer, said Dyer loved the Marines.

"Chris and all those over there are fighting for all of us," Hertlein said.