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Is Bush Slipping Into Insanity?

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 10:02 pm
The title of this thread bugs me more and more as i think about. Inferentially, it suggests that the Shrub was sane at some point in his wasted life.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 10:14 pm
With all his privilege he has still failed at everything his entire life and now he's the president. I stopped blaming bush. We can blame ourselves. democracy is not a spectator sport. This is what happens when to many of us become spectators and for to long.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 11:25 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Rex wrote:
"Democrats = Oil
Republicans = Depose a murderous dictator hell-bent on attacking American interests (no fly zone) also clear intent to acquire and use WMD "

Rex couldn't be more wrong; Bush and company are the one's interested in the "oil." All those non-bid contracts given to Halliburton should be obvious. As for what republican's stand for, many Arabs see the Americans as the "murderous dictator" for imposing our will on a country that didn't pose any threat to America or Americans. After all, we've already killed 100,000 Iraqis and counting. The world knows Saddam didn't have WMDs, only the republicans continue to parrot that lame justification. That the coalition forces haven't found any since March 2003 proves that the UN Inspectors destroyed most or all of it before our attack. The incompetence of this administration protected the oil fields, but failed to protect and destroy the conventional weapons that are now being used to kill our military and the Iraqis. After 2.5 years at war, our military still are not properly equipped to fight this war, and are unnecessarily getting killed. That's beyond incompetence; it's criminal. To top it off, this administration continues to cut and reduce veteran's benefits. This administration and the people that support it are a sham. Nothing this administration promised has worked out; it wasn't flowers that greeted our soldiers, it was bombs, and things are getting worse, not better.


Thanks for proving my point...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 11:27 pm
You're welcome.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 11:27 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
farmerman wrote:
I think that his brains are being slowly sucked out of his head . Do you notice that hes getting this progressively vapid look on his face.


Quite honestly, Farmerman....George Bush is one of the dumbest looking people I've ever seen in high office.

The guy looks like Alfred E. Newmann...only not quite so bright.


Takes one to know one...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 11:36 pm
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
RexRed wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
RexRed wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
"...suspected chemical sights..." doesn't sound anything like "we know the location of chemical sights..." that took us to war.


Where did the chemicals go then?

We know Saddam had them because some of the chemicals were used on the Kurds...


shuhhh, yeah. in 1988, during the reagan presidency.

that would be prior to desert storm, as you well know. so if you want to know where the chemicals went, ask bush senior.


Any weapons that were to go to Saddam during the Reagan admin. were first voted and approved by congress...

maybe, i'd have to look into whether or not it ever got to congress or if it just happened via a slush fund or whatever. don't really care how, just that it did happen.

however, in this particular case, i wasn't bagging on reagan. only pointing out that the gassing occured in 1988 and prior to gulf I. it was a talking point after gulf I that the u.s. had destroyed over 90% of all of saddam's weapons and were still looking for more. subsequent inspections turned up not much of nothing.


Maybe you should feed yourself on fox news instead of that Michael Moore diet... look what it has done to him?

that remark pretty much sums up what has caused your malfunction.
is that really how you view the world ? there's only two sources of information (and i guess in your case, what to think) in the universe, michael moore and fox news ?
that's pretty narrow minded, rex.
ya know who really confirmed the things that i suspected about george w. bush during the 2000 election ?

george w. bush.

i don't need a weatherman to know the wind blows, rex.


And Zel Miller was great during the rebubs convention...

a great embarassment, that is...

Zel Miller: 'Kerry looked like an auctioneer....auctioning off the security of our country.'

and
"What does he [Kerry] want to arm our country with? Spitballs?"

hah! do you really wanna talk about who looked like what ?

http://images1.moviemarket.co.uk/library/photos/171/171344.jpg
"i'll get you, john kerry.. and your little john edwards too !!"


Big mistake to mention Zell Smile

um, boy, ya betcha. he that we do not name. even bigger mistake to take him seriously. spitballs, indeed. pretty funny when hurled at a guy that volunteered for the military, and then for combat. who then went on to be wounded, decorated and acknowledged by a man who's life he saved.

see, what li'l sean hannity and his pals at focks news never bothered to tell you about kerry's voting record is that nearly every weapon he voted to cut, was in line with the cuts wanted by george bush sr., as outlined in his 1992 sotu. and, that kerry actually voted to not cut some of the weapons that secretary of defense, dick cheney wanted to cut. kerry felt that cheney's cuts were a little overboard.


Decaf only for me Smile

now , that, is a tragedy. no flavor at all.


DTOM wrote:

maybe, i'd have to look into whether or not it ever got to congress or if it just happened via a slush fund or whatever.

Comment:
You would already know this if you watched Fox news... Congress voted on it by a large margin to give live small pox as a weapon to Saddam... You won't get the news "fair and balanced" in your liberal rags...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 12:05 am
1985 is also a key year because the US Congress approved the export to Iraq of biological cultures that are precursors to bioweapons: anthrax, botulism, etc.; these cultures were "not attenuated or weakened, and were capable of reproduction."

There were over 70 shipments of such cultures between 1985-1988.

The Congress also authorized an additional 8 shipments of biological cultures that the Center for Disease Control classified as "having biological warfare significance."

This information comes from the Senate Banking Committee's report from 1994. The report stated that "these microorganisms exported by the US were identical to those the United Nations inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program."
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 12:24 am
Kerry:

I voted for the body armor before I voted against it...
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 05:22 am
RexRed wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
farmerman wrote:
I think that his brains are being slowly sucked out of his head . Do you notice that hes getting this progressively vapid look on his face.


Quite honestly, Farmerman....George Bush is one of the dumbest looking people I've ever seen in high office.

The guy looks like Alfred E. Newmann...only not quite so bright.


Takes one to know one...


Oh yeah!
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 09:34 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
farmerman wrote:
I think that his brains are being slowly sucked out of his head . Do you notice that hes getting this progressively vapid look on his face.


Quite honestly, Farmerman....George Bush is one of the dumbest looking people I've ever seen in high office.

The guy looks like Alfred E. Newmann...only not quite so bright.


Takes one to know one...


Oh yeah!


Maybe we should have super model for president then you can look at her all day Frank... how about a porno star?

Again you always seem to be on the losing side. You seem to forget the mandate of the American people who voted him into office...

Next time maybe they will vote in someone who is at least pretty... after all that is all that really matters isn't it?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 09:54 am
We'll give you Ahnold; you can keep Bush. LOL
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 10:55 am
A porno star in place of Bush? I'll take it. She'd be smarter and better looking. She'd probably take the job more serious. I wouldn't let Bush watch my dog. He'd ask for a break in the first five minutes
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 01:44 pm
RexRed wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
farmerman wrote:
I think that his brains are being slowly sucked out of his head . Do you notice that hes getting this progressively vapid look on his face.


Quite honestly, Farmerman....George Bush is one of the dumbest looking people I've ever seen in high office.

The guy looks like Alfred E. Newmann...only not quite so bright.


Takes one to know one...


Oh yeah!


Maybe we should have super model for president then you can look at her all day Frank... how about a porno star?

Again you always seem to be on the losing side. You seem to forget the mandate of the American people who voted him into office...

Next time maybe they will vote in someone who is at least pretty... after all that is all that really matters isn't it?


I don't want him to look pretty, Rex. I am not attracted to same sex partners.

It would be nice, though, if he didn't look like a moron.

(Hummm...porn star??? Lemme think about that? Considering what most of the people are doing to us...having porn stars elected seems quite fitting actually.)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 02:09 pm
The Bush presidency is perilously close to one of the greatest, and
surely the strangest, foreign and military policy failures in American
history. We lost in Vietnam, to be sure, but Vietnam would have gone to the Communists whether or not we intervened. The dissolution of Iraq, however, should it proceed further, is the direct consequence of Bush's decision to intervene unilaterally and of the particular kind of occupation that he mandated. And that dissolution, we should recall, goes well beyond the political.

Unemployment in Iraq exceeds 50 percent. Electrical power is on, in
midsummer Baghdad, for four hours a day.

At great expense in resources and human life, we have substituted one
living hell for another in Iraq. Things may yet turn out better than I
fear they will. But right now there's a sickeningly good prospect that we
will have set in motion a predictable chain of events culminating in the
creation of both a sphere of terrorist activity and a sub-state allied
with the mullahs of Iran.

Last week U.S. forces in Iraq discovered what looked to be a cache of
chemical weapons, but determined that the arsenal had been assembled by the insurgent thugs who emerged after Hussein's fall. We have created the very dangers we intervened to prevent. Some policy. Some president.

-- Harold Meyerson, writing in The Washington Post, 17 August 2005
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/16/AR2005081601182.html
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 02:59 pm
RexRed wrote:
DTOM wrote:

maybe, i'd have to look into whether or not it ever got to congress or if it just happened via a slush fund or whatever.

Comment:
You would already know this if you watched Fox news... Congress voted on it by a large margin to give live small pox as a weapon to Saddam... You won't get the news "fair and balanced" in your liberal rags...


good grief. wtf does the fox channel have to do with any research that i want to do, using the documentation of voting records available to us.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 03:03 pm
RexRed wrote:
Kerry:

I voted for the body armor before I voted against it...


that's not what he said. and you would know that, and why he voted against the amended bill if you watched anything but fox news. because you will never get the truth from your right wing pontificators.

do you even realize that there were two versions of the bill ?

do you even care ?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 03:08 pm
Nah, they just identify the negatives without understanding the whole picture. They still haven't caught on that Bush's justifications for the Iraq invasion has long ago been discredited. They live in a fairtale land that the Iraqis are living much better today than under Saddam. I'd like to see these people so pleased with our progress to live in Baghdad for a fortnight or two to experience "our progress in Iraq."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 03:12 pm
Bush is the one that keeps yapping to the world about the "progress being made in Iraq." He should put his money where his mouth is, and move to Iraq for a period of several week- preferably in Baghdad or Fallujah. We'll even allow him the "green zone."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 03:18 pm
The compelete Meyerson article:

"Iraq on the Brink

By Harold Meyerson

Wednesday, August 17, 2005; Page A13

It looks increasingly as if President Bush may have been off by 74 years in his assessment of Iraq. By deposing the dictatorship of Saddam Hussein, Bush assumed he would bring Iraq to its 1787 moment -- the crafting of a democratic constitution, the birth of a unified republic. Instead, he seems to have brought Iraq to the brink of its own 1861 -- the moment of national dissolution.

No, I don't mean that Iraq is on the verge of all-out civil war, though that's a possibility that can't be dismissed. But the nation does appear on the verge of a catastrophic failure to cohere. The more the National Assembly deliberates on the fundamentals of a new order, the larger the differences that divide the nation's three sub-groups appear to be.


It's not the small stuff that they're sweating in Baghdad. They can't agree on whether the new Iraq should be a federation, with a largely autonomous Shiite south and Kurdish north, or a more unified state, which the Sunnis prefer. They can't agree on just how Islamic the new republic should be, and whether the leading Shiite clergy should be above the dictates of mere national law. They can't agree on whether religious or state courts should hold sway in Shiite-dominated regions, or even the nation as a whole; they can't agree on the rights of women. They can't agree on the division of oil revenue among the three groups. They can't agree on whether there should be a Kurdish right to secede enshrined in the constitution.

In short, they can't agree on the fundamentals of what their new nation should be. And the more they deliberate, the less they agree on.

These are not unanticipated disagreements. Before the war began, many critics of Bush's rush to war, including some in the State Department and the CIA, argued that while overthrowing Hussein would be relatively easy, building a post-Hussein Iraq would be devilishly difficult. Bush's defenders argued that Iraq was a largely secular land in which many Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds lived together amicably and frequently intermarried. They weren't entirely wrong, but one could have made the same argument about Tito's Yugoslavia before it dissolved into genocidal violence. They missed the deep resentments and the growing fundamentalism that Hussein's thugocracy smothered, and that exploded once he was removed.

What neither Bush's critics nor defenders could foresee was his administration's mind-boggling indifference to establishing security in post-Hussein Iraq. In the absence of a credible central authority, the fragmentation of Iraq is already an established fact. Once-secular Basra, the largest city in the Shiite south, is now controlled by clergy sympathetic to Iran, with posters of the Ayatollah Khomeini adorning the town. Recently the mayor of Baghdad was forcibly removed from office, not by official forces but by a Shiite militia. Iraqi governmental officials protect themselves from terrorists with guards from their own tribes. And if the efforts to build a national republic founder, it's a safe bet that the Iraqi army, in which America has invested so heavily, will devolve into very well-armed factional militias. Should that happen, as Henry Kissinger recently observed on this page, "the process of building security forces may become the prelude to a civil war."

And what exactly is the role of U.S. forces, whether or not there's a civil war, in an Iraq that has split into a Shiite Islamic south, a Kurdish north and a violent and chaotic largely Sunni center? What is our mission? Which side are we on?

Indeed, the Bush presidency is perilously close to one of the greatest, and surely the strangest, foreign and military policy failures in American history. We lost in Vietnam, to be sure, but Vietnam would have gone to the Communists whether or not we intervened. The dissolution of Iraq, however, should it proceed further, is the direct consequence of Bush's decision to intervene unilaterally and of the particular kind of occupation that he mandated. And that dissolution, we should recall, goes well beyond the political. Unemployment in Iraq exceeds 50 percent. Electrical power is on, in midsummer Baghdad, for four hours a day.

At great expense in resources and human life, we have substituted one living hell for another in Iraq. Things may yet turn out better than I fear they will. But right now there's a sickeningly good prospect that we will have set in motion a predictable chain of events culminating in the creation of both a sphere of terrorist activity and a sub-state allied with the mullahs of Iran.

Last week U.S. forces in Iraq discovered what looked to be a cache of chemical weapons, but determined that the arsenal had been assembled by the insurgent thugs who emerged after Hussein's fall. We have created the very dangers we intervened to prevent. Some policy. Some president."

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parados
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 03:23 pm
RexRed wrote:

DTOM wrote:

maybe, i'd have to look into whether or not it ever got to congress or if it just happened via a slush fund or whatever.

Comment:
You would already know this if you watched Fox news... Congress voted on it by a large margin to give live small pox as a weapon to Saddam... You won't get the news "fair and balanced" in your liberal rags...


Congress voted to give Iraq small pox as a weapon? Care to tell us which bill did that? Perhaps if you didn't watch Fox news you might be able to do research and check their facts or at least your interpretation of them. The Congressional record is an unbiased source. Give us a bill number because a search of known bills at the time reveals no such item.

The President has the power to decide what countries get sent restricted items. You need to check facts as to who was President in 1985 and then check the facts about it being authorized as a "weapon." The transfers of Anthrax and other agents to Iraq was authorized by the Department of Commerce according to the Banking Committee report. The Dept. of Commerce is part of the executive Branch. (You might recall that from the Clinton years when Commerce authorized sale of certain computer items to China.)
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