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Is Bush Slipping Into Insanity?

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 09:42 am
RexRed wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Anyone who pretends to be both a Christian...and a conservative Republican...

...probably does not understand either discipline.


Yet you do? Smile


Oh, yeah! I do!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 09:45 am
Rex wrote:
"Democrats = Oil
Republicans = Depose a murderous dictator hell-bent on attacking American interests (no fly zone) also clear intent to acquire and use WMD "

Rex couldn't be more wrong; Bush and company are the one's interested in the "oil." All those non-bid contracts given to Halliburton should be obvious. As for what republican's stand for, many Arabs see the Americans as the "murderous dictator" for imposing our will on a country that didn't pose any threat to America or Americans. After all, we've already killed 100,000 Iraqis and counting. The world knows Saddam didn't have WMDs, only the republicans continue to parrot that lame justification. That the coalition forces haven't found any since March 2003 proves that the UN Inspectors destroyed most or all of it before our attack. The incompetence of this administration protected the oil fields, but failed to protect and destroy the conventional weapons that are now being used to kill our military and the Iraqis. After 2.5 years at war, our military still are not properly equipped to fight this war, and are unnecessarily getting killed. That's beyond incompetence; it's criminal. To top it off, this administration continues to cut and reduce veteran's benefits. This administration and the people that support it are a sham. Nothing this administration promised has worked out; it wasn't flowers that greeted our soldiers, it was bombs, and things are getting worse, not better.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 11:20 am
RexRed wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
RexRed wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
"...suspected chemical sights..." doesn't sound anything like "we know the location of chemical sights..." that took us to war.


Where did the chemicals go then?

We know Saddam had them because some of the chemicals were used on the Kurds...


shuhhh, yeah. in 1988, during the reagan presidency.

that would be prior to desert storm, as you well know. so if you want to know where the chemicals went, ask bush senior.


Any weapons that were to go to Saddam during the Reagan admin. were first voted and approved by congress...

maybe, i'd have to look into whether or not it ever got to congress or if it just happened via a slush fund or whatever. don't really care how, just that it did happen.

however, in this particular case, i wasn't bagging on reagan. only pointing out that the gassing occured in 1988 and prior to gulf I. it was a talking point after gulf I that the u.s. had destroyed over 90% of all of saddam's weapons and were still looking for more. subsequent inspections turned up not much of nothing.


Maybe you should feed yourself on fox news instead of that Michael Moore diet... look what it has done to him?

that remark pretty much sums up what has caused your malfunction.
is that really how you view the world ? there's only two sources of information (and i guess in your case, what to think) in the universe, michael moore and fox news ?
that's pretty narrow minded, rex.
ya know who really confirmed the things that i suspected about george w. bush during the 2000 election ?

george w. bush.

i don't need a weatherman to know the wind blows, rex.


And Zel Miller was great during the rebubs convention...

a great embarassment, that is...

Zel Miller: 'Kerry looked like an auctioneer....auctioning off the security of our country.'

and
"What does he [Kerry] want to arm our country with? Spitballs?"

hah! do you really wanna talk about who looked like what ?

http://images1.moviemarket.co.uk/library/photos/171/171344.jpg
"i'll get you, john kerry.. and your little john edwards too !!"


Big mistake to mention Zell Smile

um, boy, ya betcha. he that we do not name. even bigger mistake to take him seriously. spitballs, indeed. pretty funny when hurled at a guy that volunteered for the military, and then for combat. who then went on to be wounded, decorated and acknowledged by a man who's life he saved.

see, what li'l sean hannity and his pals at focks news never bothered to tell you about kerry's voting record is that nearly every weapon he voted to cut, was in line with the cuts wanted by george bush sr., as outlined in his 1992 sotu. and, that kerry actually voted to not cut some of the weapons that secretary of defense, dick cheney wanted to cut. kerry felt that cheney's cuts were a little overboard.


Decaf only for me Smile

now , that, is a tragedy. no flavor at all.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 12:21 pm
RexRed wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
LONDON - Nearly 100,000 more Iraqis have died during the American-led occupation than would have been expected otherwise, a study posted on The Lancet medical journal's website Thursday estimates.


Are you implying that American soldiers killed them?

CI you need help...

Do you not think that the same ba'ath party that unleashed mustard gas and serin gas on the kurds may have killed a few Iraqis with their bombs aimed at American troops?

Do you also not think that the jehad aimed at killing the American "infidel" may have something to do with the numbers of dead in Iraq?

Heya RexRed, did you see this post at all?

It included this:

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The IBC, in its 28-page dossier, said [..] U.S.-led forces killed nearly 37 percent of the total [..] Criminals, accounting for 36 percent of civilian deaths, came a close second to U.S.-led forces. Insurgents, however, accounted for a surprisingly small 9.5 percent.

''Unknown agents'' were responsible for 11 percent of deaths, according to IBC.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 12:35 pm
RexRed wrote:
Any weapons that were to go to Saddam during the Reagan admin. were first voted and approved by congress...

True ... but then, after Saddam gassed the Kurds, Congress asked for sanctions -- and it was the White House that scuttled the bipartisan proposal, and instead awarded another billion dollar of loans to Saddam's regime.

This background from previous posts (this one, this one and this one):


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When news of Saddam gassing the Kurds had emerged in 1988, Democratic Congressman Senator Claiborne D. Pell tabled a resolution for the US to impose sanctions against Iraq, the Prevention of Genocide Act. "Iraq's conduct is a crime against humanity", Pell said, and "we cannot be silent to genocide again".

The resolution got unanimous support in the Senate, and Pell's move to table it was quickly seconded by Jesse Helms. (Yes, odd bedfellows).

This is what the US Army War College Quarterly article that touches on it has on what the Prevention of Genocide Act entailed:

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Although Congress did not act to condemn Iraq for the gassing of Iranian soldiers on four verified occasions in the mid-1980s, Saddam's gassing of Kurdish civilians in 1988 from American-made helicopters did foment a significant congressional reaction, primarily from the Senate.

In early September the Senate unanimously passed the Prevention of Genocide Act of 1988. In its original form, the legislation called for the following changes in US policy toward Iraq:

- An embargo on all dual-use technology exports

- The elimination of all CCC and Export-Import Bank credits

- An embargo on all US imports of Iraqi oil

- A requirement that all loans to Iraq under consideration in international financial institutions (the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, etc.) be opposed by the United States


It was, however, blocked by the White House.

(Different links I found use different choice of words here. Le Monde Diplomatique says the Act was "vetoed by President Bush". Even the most cautious source you get Googling this one up, from The US Army Professional Writing Collection, says: "the sanctions bill was systematically watered down, and it eventually died under the heavy influence of both the Administration and opponents within the House of Representatives".)

To Reagan and Bush's credit <sarcasm>, they were not the only ones who opposed the Senate push for sanctions.

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After news of Saddam gassing the Kurds had come out, a vote was also brought to the United Nations Sub-Committee on Human Rights to condemn Iraq for human rights violations.

It was rejected by 11 votes to 8.

The US was not among those who voted for it. Scandinavian countries, Australia and Canada, however, like the European Parliament and the Socialist International, did clearly condemn Iraq.

In both Congress and the UN, it was the President and Administration that had final responsibility for the failure of action. It could have easily followed through.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 12:40 pm
nimh, If you do not agree with the 100,000, you'll have to challenge CNN's reporting.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/iraq.deaths/
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 12:49 pm
Here's another one:

Study puts Iraqi toll at 100,000
Friday, October 29, 2004 Posted: 1:10 AM EDT (0510 GMT)


LONDON, England -- Public health experts have estimated that around 100,000 Iraqi civilians have died since the United States invaded Iraq in March last year.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 12:55 pm
From the Guardian:

"100,000 Iraqi civilians dead, says study

Sarah Boseley, health editor
Friday October 29, 2004
The Guardian

About 100,000 Iraqi civilians - half of them women and children - have died in Iraq since the invasion, mostly as a result of airstrikes by coalition forces, according to the first reliable study of the death toll from Iraqi and US public health experts."
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 01:14 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
nimh, If you do not agree with the 100,000, you'll have to challenge CNN's reporting.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/iraq.deaths/

You didn't read my post either, huh.

Sometimes you gotta wonder why one'd even bother...
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 01:20 pm
lol, I read it!

Cycloptichorn
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AllanSwann
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 01:38 pm
"Insanity"? Not sure. "Inanity"? Perpetually.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 01:44 pm
AllanSwann wrote:
"Insanity"? Not sure. "Inanity"? Perpetually.


I'll accept "insanity" or "inanity!"

It's the "slipping into" that causes me trouble! Twisted Evil
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 02:38 pm
I think that his brains are being slowly sucked out of his head . Do you notice that hes getting this progressively vapid look on his face.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 02:48 pm
farmerman wrote:
I think that his brains are being slowly sucked out of his head . Do you notice that hes getting this progressively vapid look on his face.


Quite honestly, Farmerman....George Bush is one of the dumbest looking people I've ever seen in high office.

The guy looks like Alfred E. Newmann...only not quite so bright.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 02:58 pm
farmerman wrote:
I think that his brains are being slowly sucked out of his head . Do you notice that hes getting this progressively vapid look on his face.
I'm telling you man, He's back on the coke. He's getting the good s**t from his arab buddies.( I think he's taking a couple licks off the bottle now and again too)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 04:04 pm
farmerman, That vapid looks has always been there, but his smirk seems to have disappeared.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 07:28 pm
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 08:30 pm
He reminds me very much of Goober, from the Andy Griffith Show. Course, Goober had more sense.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 08:36 pm
CNN just had a report on Colin Powell's report to the Security Council of the UN when he claimed we knew the location of Saddam's chemical and biological weapons. He says that's the worst time in his whole life, because he made his presentation without verifying one source.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 09:32 pm
Who will be the person or persons to bring us back to where we once were, If we can ever get there again or if we were ever there at all?
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