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Is Bush Slipping Into Insanity?

 
 
Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2005 08:20 pm
cicerone, I'm not a nit picker it's just that when I first protested the war before it started they called me a traitor. That I was telling the truth and that they were lying was all I/we really had, Even if I was telling it to a loaded gun.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2005 09:15 pm
Many of us were against the war before Bush gave the okay. I even wrote to my congresswoman, Diane Feinstein, and expressed my position of being against a war with Iraq. She wrote back and told me that they were given information which made it imperative to give Bush the approval for war. Since I felt she had "inside" information, I told her that I trusted her judgement. Some months after the war started, and more information about the unreliability of the WMDs and Saddam's connecton to al Qaeda was unfounded, she said publicly that the administration lied to them, and that most of the democratic people in congress would have withheld their approval.

We now have about fifty percent of Americans still backing Bush on this war. Unfortunately for his supporters, even Bush isn't so sure we can be successful in Iraq. It's now cost us over 1,800 soldiers and five billion dollars every month, and we're not sure how much longer we will sacrifice our men and women and five billion every month into the future. I wonder when those 50 percent who continue to support Bush will decide this war was/is wrong. The idiocy of it all!
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Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2005 09:21 pm
I've heard it said that the only problem with democracy is that sometimes the people get what they want.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2005 09:24 pm
But it would be by our choice. It's the best political system ever created on this planet, and I wouldn't trade it for any other available.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2005 09:34 pm
That's more or less a "the glass is half-full" statement. I tend to take Churchill's view on the issue, when he stated that democracy is the worst form of government known to man, except for all the others which have been tried.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2005 09:39 pm
yes, democracy by far. Don't let me be missunderstood.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2005 11:02 pm
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
RexRed wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
"...suspected chemical sights..." doesn't sound anything like "we know the location of chemical sights..." that took us to war.


Where did the chemicals go then?

We know Saddam had them because some of the chemicals were used on the Kurds...


shuhhh, yeah. in 1988, during the reagan presidency.

that would be prior to desert storm, as you well know. so if you want to know where the chemicals went, ask bush senior.


Any weapons that were to go to Saddam during the Reagan admin. were first voted and approved by congress...

Maybe you should feed yourself on fox news instead of that Michael Moore diet... look what it has done to him?

And Zel Miller was great during the rebubs convention...

Zel Miller: 'Kerry looked like an auctioneer....auctioning off the security of our country.'

and
"What does he [Kerry] want to arm our country with? Spitballs?"

Big mistake to mention Zell Smile

Decaf only for me Smile
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candidone1
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2005 11:08 pm
RexRed wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
RexRed wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
"...suspected chemical sights..." doesn't sound anything like "we know the location of chemical sights..." that took us to war.


Where did the chemicals go then?

We know Saddam had them because some of the chemicals were used on the Kurds...


shuhhh, yeah. in 1988, during the reagan presidency.

that would be prior to desert storm, as you well know. so if you want to know where the chemicals went, ask bush senior.


Any weapons that were to go to Saddam during the Reagan admin. were first voted and approved by congress...

Maybe you should feed yourself on fox news instead of that Michael Moore diet... look what it has done to him?

And Zel Miller was great during the rebubs convention...

Zel Miller: 'Kerry looked like an auctioneer....auctioning off the security of our country.'

and
"What does he [Kerry] want to arm our country with? Spitballs?"

Big mistake to mention Zell Smile

Decaf only for me Smile


You've heard of a presidential veto haven't you?
Can't unload onto congress...Reagan has ownership in this.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2005 11:47 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
War has killed 100,000 Iraqis: study
Last Updated Fri, 29 Oct 2004 06:25:07 EDT
CBC News
LONDON - Nearly 100,000 more Iraqis have died during the American-led occupation than would have been expected otherwise, a study posted on The Lancet medical journal's website Thursday estimates.


Are you implying that American soldiers killed them?

CI you need help...

Do you not think that the same ba'ath party that unleashed mustard gas and serin gas on the kurds may have killed a few Iraqis with their bombs aimed at American troops?

Do you also not think that the jehad aimed at killing the American "infidel" may have something to do with the numbers of dead in Iraq?

People were dying by the tens of thousands in Iraq LONG before the American-led "liberation".


Excerpt:
This report is a narrative account of a campaign of extermination against the Kurds of northern Iraq

The campaigns of 1987-1989 were characterized by the following gross violations of human rights:

· mass summary executions and mass disappearance of many tens of thousands of non-combatants, including large numbers of women and children, and sometimes the entire population of villages;

· the widespread use of chemical weapons, including mustard gas and the nerve agent GB, or Sarin, against the town of Halabja as well as dozens of Kurdish villages, killing many thousands of people, mainly women and children;

· the wholesale destruction of some 2,000 villages, which are described in government documents as having been "burned," "destroyed," "demolished" and "purified," as well as at least a dozen larger towns and administrative centers (nahyas and qadhas);

· the wholesale destruction of civilian objects by Army engineers, including all schools, mosques, wells and other non-residential structures in the targeted villages, and a number of electricity substations;

· looting of civilian property and farm animals on a vast scale by army troops and pro-government militia;

· arbitrary arrest of all villagers captured in designated "prohibited areas" (manateq al-mahdoureh), despite the fact that these were their own homes and lands;

· arbitrary jailing and warehousing for months, in conditions of extreme deprivation, of tens of thousands of women, children and elderly people, without judicial order or any cause other than their presumed sympathies for the Kurdish opposition. Many hundreds of them were allowed to die of malnutrition and disease;

· forced displacement of hundreds of thousands of villagers upon the demolition of their homes, their release from jail or return from exile; these civilians were trucked into areas of Kurdistan far from their homes and dumped there by the army with only minimal governmental compensation or none at all for their destroyed property, or any provision for relief, housing, clothing or food, and forbidden to return to their villages of origin on pain of death. In these conditions, many died within a year of their forced displacement;

· destruction of the rural Kurdish economy and infrastructure.

Comment:
CI you are twisted to the max. Who let you out from the mental institution?

The Americans led coalition are ONLY defending themselves and America from combatants shooting at them and planning terror attacks... these same combatants would be attacking us on our soil if we were not fighting them in Iraq.

If we were not fighting them in Iraq they would still be killing their neighbors i.e.

More and more it is now FREE Iraqis defending Iraq.

Why don't you take your poison pen and write about that one.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/1993/iraqanfal/ANFALINT.htm
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2005 11:50 pm
candidone1 wrote:
RexRed wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
RexRed wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
"...suspected chemical sights..." doesn't sound anything like "we know the location of chemical sights..." that took us to war.


Where did the chemicals go then?

We know Saddam had them because some of the chemicals were used on the Kurds...


shuhhh, yeah. in 1988, during the reagan presidency.

that would be prior to desert storm, as you well know. so if you want to know where the chemicals went, ask bush senior.


Any weapons that were to go to Saddam during the Reagan admin. were first voted and approved by congress...

Maybe you should feed yourself on fox news instead of that Michael Moore diet... look what it has done to him?

And Zel Miller was great during the rebubs convention...

Zel Miller: 'Kerry looked like an auctioneer....auctioning off the security of our country.'

and
"What does he [Kerry] want to arm our country with? Spitballs?"

Big mistake to mention Zell Smile

Decaf only for me Smile


You've heard of a presidential veto haven't you?
Can't unload onto congress...Reagan has ownership in this.


If I am not mistaken the small pox that congress ok'd to give to Saddam was never delivered. I wonder who stopped the delivery? Was it possibly Reagan?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 12:16 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
But it would be by our choice. It's the best political system ever created on this planet, and I wouldn't trade it for any other available.


Zell Miller: I never left the democratic party it left me...

Comment:
I prefer a two party system...
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roverroad
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 03:16 am
Bush is beyond insanity. I think that he is preparing us for the apocalypse. He thinks the world is going to end before he finishes his term. That's why he isn't preparing us for the future and is running up massive debt. He thinks we'll all be dead so it doesn't matter if we're in debt.

I say if he keeps up his reckless politics we WILL all be dead, but it'll be his fault.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 08:31 am
Purpose for war
Democrats = Oil
Republicans = Depose a murderous dictator hell-bent on attacking American interests (no fly zone) also clear intent to acquire and use WMD

Gitmo detainees
Democrats = Gulag
Republicans = Enemy combatants

The Enemy
Democrats = Bush a murderer
Republicans = Al Qaeda terror training camps, bombing of innocents and senseless beheadings

Palestine/Israel conflict
Democrats = Colonialism
Republicans = Peace in the middle east

Presidential Loyalty
Democrats = Hate Bush for selfish partisan lies
Republicans = Respect and stand united behind their President and the decisions of their elected government:

American soldiers In Iraq
Democrats = Occupiers
Republicans = Liberators

American Government
Democrats = Socialistic society big government
Republicans = Ownership society minimal government

American Loyalty
Democrats = flag burning anarchists
Republicans = Flag loving patriots

Comment: The anarchists and flag burning liberalists certainly do not vote republican...

Proud American Democrats...

Idolized Democratic Patron Saint: Chappaquiddick Ted Kennedy

If Thomas Jefferson was alive today he would be a Republican.

Kerry's orange suntan may even make him wonder if America had been invaded by aliens from outer space... His old fashioned ideas would make him appear more Christian than most republicans today

Remember Tripoli with the American led "invasion" of what is now today Libya?

That was under the orders of Thomas Jefferson, a completely sane "democratic" president.

On Jefferson:
Foreign affairs dominated his day-to-day attentions while President, often pushing him toward Federalist policies that contrasted with his political philosophy. To ensure the safety of American ships on the high seas, Jefferson attempted to put an end to the bribes that the United States had been paying to the Barbary states for many years. This resulted in a war with Tripoli, in which Jefferson was "forced" to use his navy and to rethink his policy of reducing the U.S. military. While the United States at first enjoyed an economic boom due to the war between England and France, the British navy's practice of forcing American sailors into British service led to Jefferson's disastrous suspension of trade with both France and England. This trade war devastated the economy, alienated the hard-hit mercantile Northeast, and propelled America into war with England.

Comment:
In the war on Tripoli Jefferson sent military commanders to inflame a war between two brothers in Tripoli. He built up the opposing side of the current government of Tripoli in order to "overthrow" (regime change) it. In the process, ravages several major cities then he dropped the buck (sound familiar) with foreign American loyalists and then abandoned/deserted them (American Allies) on the battle field. All for an underhanded deal of surrender and the furtherance of capitalism (what would today be considered oil and trade).

This is apparently what Democrats want to see happen today in Iraq... Start a war and then abandon our allies (trained Iraqi troops) in the middle of the conflict.

Democrats are the dregs of society...
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 08:45 am
Rex Red, I am going to write to the White House and ask your master to paper train you or teach you to go outside or something so you'll stop pissing on everyone elses lawn.....
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 08:50 am
You get the job as ambassador, I'm sure.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 08:54 am
Anyone who pretends to be both a Christian...and a conservative Republican...

...probably does not understand either discipline.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 08:57 am
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Rex Red, I am going to write to the White House and ask your master to paper train you or teach you to go outside or something so you'll stop pissing on everyone elses lawn.....


You may not own that lawn much longer if Hillary gets her way.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 08:58 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
Anyone who pretends to be both a Christian...and a conservative Republican...

...probably does not understand either discipline.


Yet you do? Smile
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 09:32 am
I hear Hill is going to send out squads of lesbian democrats with strap ons to establish with all the mouth breathing neo cons just where they stand in the societal pecking order.

Get to the important stuff right off the bat. You know, the way your master made sure he got the ball rolling to rewrite the bankruptcy laws for the credit card companies ( one of HIS masters) before he did anything else.

You guys need to practice your keagles. :wink:
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 09:39 am
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
I hear Hill is going to send out squads of lesbian democrats with strap ons to establish with all the mouth breathing neo cons just where they stand in the societal pecking order.

Get to the important stuff right off the bat. You know, the way your master made sure he got the ball rolling to rewrite the bankruptcy laws for the credit card companies ( one of HIS masters) before he did anything else.

You guys need to practice your keagles. :wink:


Does it make you feel better to attack women? More manly?

No wonder why the dems don't care about liberation...

They are too busy attacking themselves from within..
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