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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

McGentrix reached out across the political chasm,

No he didn’t. He’s trying to absolve himself of the horrors of Trump. He’s saying that even though the racism isn’t quite to his taste he’s more than willing to vote for Trump because he’s in favour of school shootings.

He’s not reaching out, he’s trying to wash his hands and the only one stupid enough to fall for this nonsense is you.

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@Frank Apisa,

I would have said because the tea party/trump element has hijacked the Republican party and is now in firm control of it. But in all honestly, and no offense to yourself or any sane Americans, but we in Oz have a lot of trouble understanding the thought processes of Americans at the best of times, let alone trying to understand why one would support someone like trump - unless that same person is a complete racist and/or moron anyway...

Although, and that said, I can understand why people got disenchanted with the democrats in 2016 - but it wasn't because trump had better policies, let alone was a better choice as a person tho.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

Extremism is based on a a basic lie. It says that "everyone is an extremist". It posits that either you agree with me completely, or you are evil. If you are evil than you can't agree with me on anything (or you are lying).

then,

maxdancona wrote:

I have the feeling that a lot of Republicans aren't supporting Trump so much as opposing what they see as extremism in the Democratic party.

then,

maxdancona wrote:

Six years ago we had President Obama, who they was said was a Muslim. In fact they said that Obama was the president of Islamic terrorists. Were there islamic terrorists who supported Obama? Of course there were, it isn't that difficult to find people who supported Obama and justified acts of violence against Israel.

Now we have President Trump, who they say is the president of the KKK. I don't see much difference in this respect.

then,

maxdancona wrote:

I am tired extremist mud slinging. On one side I am a racist fascist. The other side thinks I am an socialist.

Hmmmmmmmmmm...

...and now you've come full circle... once again.

maxdancona wrote:

I don't really care whether I am a rapist or a terrorist. Maybe when I have time I will work it out.

There's clearly no rush on your part. But do let us know when you've finally figured it out...

You're the living definition of an "infinite loop", you really are...

So I'd have to agree with what Real Music said I'm sorry to say, as it looks like my hopes for you and the OP for that matter were set far too high.

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This thread raises a basic question....

Can you be a liberal without being an extremist incapable of respecting other points of view..

Extremists have these qualities.

- They give people extreme labels "Trump voters are fascists".
- They stick to the labels rather than listening to what people actually say.
- They refuse to accept that anyone can have a mix of beliefs and can live in the middle.

It is the "Us v. Them" attitude on display here. To Izzy and Real_Music either I have ideological purity or I am fascist.

All the usual in crowd goons are here: Izzy, RealMusic, Glitterbag, Region... and they are in perfect lockstep.

Their creed is "Anyone who disagrees with us is a fascist" and they are unwilling to entertain any other thought.

I apologize to McGentrix. This is the reality we live in. I will continue to push back against extremism from both sides.

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@justaguy2,

You don't really understand sarcasm? I don't have time to explain it to you. But let me make my point simply just so there is no understanding.

There are a bunch of extremists on the right who claim that Obama is a socialist Muslim who supports terrorism. These far-right idiots yell their claims without listening to anyone to find out what they really think.

There are a bunch of extremists on the left who claim that Trump is a KKK fascist who supports racism. These far-left idiots yell their claims without listening to anyone are allowing for anyone in the middle.

These two bunches of extremists are both doing the same thing. In fact, I bet if I took a post from Izzy or you or anyone else in your little ideologica bubble and replaced Trump for Obama, and racist for socialist... people couldn't tell the difference between you and the people screaming on the far right.

I am suggesting that you can be a liberal without engaging in this idiocy. You can listen to what people are actually saying instead of just yelling at what you think of the label you have assigned them. You can accept that people have a variety of viewpoints and opinion rather than this simplistic good versus evil narrative you have built up.

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@justaguy2,

justaguy2 wrote:

I would have said because the tea party/trump element has hijacked the Republican party and is now in firm control of it. But in all honestly, and no offense to yourself or any sane Americans, but we in Oz have a lot of trouble understanding the thought processes of Americans at the best of times, let alone trying to understand why one would support someone like trump - unless that same person is a complete racist and/or moron anyway...

Although, and that said, I can understand why people got disenchanted with the democrats in 2016 - but it wasn't because trump had better policies, let alone was a better choice as a person tho.

We Americans have he same problem understanding ourselves as you good folk from Oz. I have particular trouble understanding how anyone can find Trump tolerable...let alone admirable. But I actually have relatives who think he is the greatest!

Not sure what went on with Hillary Clinton. She was voted the most admired woman in the world 21 times out of the 23 years before 2016 in the annual Gallup Poll.

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This thread has raised two important questions...

1. Are all Trump supporters racists?
2. Are all liberal self-righteous asses?

I answer "No" to both.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

This thread has raised two important questions...

1. Are all Trump supporters racists?
2. Are all liberal self-righteous asses?

I answer "No" to both.

#2 is a little shaky... Wink

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@maxdancona,

You really are full of ****. There’s no coordination whatsoever. People are not interested in McGentrix mealy mouthed apologies for racism or you telling us that we’ve all got to lick his arse for it.

You’re very fond of telling everyone how much money you’ve got, but not once have you ever mentioned having any friends.

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It is comical how they completely hijacked your thread. I went back and checked, you didn't mention Trump. This was supposed to be a thread about opposing racism.

They just moved their ideological bubble here as if they own the place. I am not even sure if they know what the thread is about any more... it is just the same group think they do on every other thread.

I am not sure if they even accept that people outside their bubble are human beings.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

You don't really understand sarcasm?

Now that’s irony, unwitting as always, but irony all the same.

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@izzythepush,

For someone that has shot women and children because of their job told them to, you sure do like insult people.

No one asked you to read anything on this thread, much less comment on it. If you aren't interested, move on! You hardly ever actually add to a conversation or have anything useful to say.

Just like Nancy Reagan used to say "Just say No!" the next time you feel like posting in one of my threads.

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@McGentrix,

You really are a lying nonce. I have only shot live ammunition on a range. I fired blanks on exercises and that’s it.

Unlike you, I have never shot at people, ever.

You hear about my limited experience with guns and you go off on some sick masturbatory rant about killing babies.

I don’t think child murderers are better people than racists. I think they’re a lot worse. You are a lot worse.

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@maxdancona,

Oh I understand sarcasm, but I also know bullshit and spin when I see it, and you're dipping of both. You ought to see if there are any positions available in trump's west wing, as I think you could give Kayleigh McEnany a run for her money.

In any case, you have clearly missed the point of my post, and quite badly at that. I would have thought what I highlighted in bold would have given you at least some hint, but clearly I was wrong about that.

What ever happened to "extremism" being "a basic lie" ? Did you change your mind about that ?
As pointed out in one of your own threads, a "liberal" in most other countries would refer to a "conservative", *not* a "progressive". Or is that too liberal for you?

PS: You don't need to actually answer those questions, as it seems obvious to me that it's pointless even trying to have any meaningful discussion with you...

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@justaguy2,

1. I am objecting to the claim "Everyone who supports Trump is a racist". I believe that this is a ridiculous claim. Worse, it is makes every discussion nothing more than the two extremes yelling at each other.

2. My exact quote was "Extremism is based on a a basic lie. It says that 'everyone is an extremist'". What I am saying is that the extremists on this thread have an "us versus them" attitude, where anyone who doesn't agree with them is a "racist and a fascist".

Yes, I stand by that quote.

3. I consider myself a liberal. I am an American, so I have an American perspective on what it means to be a liberal. I accept any label that anyone else gives to themselves.

There I answered your questions... Now I have a question for you...

Do you really believe that everyone who supports Trump is a racist?

(That is the basic claim that the liberal group-think is pushing here. I my opinion this claim is ridiculous.)

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@Frank Apisa,

I'm glad we aren't the only one's then Wink

But seriously, I don't think it was Hillary herself that was the reason why the democrats lost a large part of their base in 2016. I think it was a more general disenchantment with "the establishment", and Hillary was very much a part of that same "establishment". A similar thing happen here in Australia too, as well as a lot of other countries for that matter.

The fact Bernie Sanders wasn't just another "establishment politician" would a been a big part of the reason for Bernie's popularity too. As like trump, Bernie was a geniune "outsider", and at least in Bernie's case, without the vested interests (particularly corporate interests).

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@maxdancona,

What do you call someone who knowingly votes for a Racist?

The only person making claims is you.

It’s how you operate, you accuse everyone else of **** you’ve just made up, then argue against the **** you’ve just made up in a vain attempt not to appear delusional.

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@izzythepush,

There were 63 million Americans who voted for Trump. This includes over 1 million African-Americans (only about 8%... but still they decided to vote for Trump and you can't deny their existence or their humanity). Each one has their own mind and their own unique reasons for voting for Trump.

If you want to know why they voted for Trump, you should ask them. They are individuals and each person has a different story, and a different rational and different beliefs.

Instead of lumping 63 million people into one group and slapping a derogatory label on them, why not treat people as human beings even when they disagree with you?

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@maxdancona,

We’re not talking about the motivations behind individuals voting for Trump over three years ago. We’re talking about one person who has said they know Trump is a racist and is quite happy to turn a blind eye to the racism for purely selfish motives.

You never argue the point because you know you’ve lost which is why you’re always trying to change the subject.

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@izzythepush,

maxdancona wrote:

There were 63 million Americans who voted for Trump. This includes over 1 million African-Americans (only about 8%... but still they decided to vote for Trump and you can't deny their existence or their humanity). Each one has their own mind and their own unique reasons for voting for Trump.

If you want to know why they voted for Trump, you should ask them. They are individuals and each person has a different story, and a different rational and different beliefs.

Instead of lumping 63 million people into one group and slapping a derogatory label on them, why not treat people as human beings even when they disagree with you?

Izzy wrote:

We’re not talking about the motivations behind individuals voting for Trump over three years ago. We’re talking about one person who has said they know Trump is a racist and is quite happy to turn a blind eye to the racism for purely selfish motives.

Oh... so this is a personal attack against a single person who disagrees with you. Well Geez! That makes it better.

The question remains...

Is everyone who supports Trump automatically a racist?

That seems to be the claim you guys are making.

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