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Let's fire Trump

 
 
Reply Mon 13 Apr, 2020 12:25 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/donald-trump-fire-fauci-twitter-033238486.html
Since congress won't do their jobs to "fire" Trump, let's make sure we take care of business during the next election; remove Trump and those congress members who will not do their constitutional duties to this country and world.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 13 Apr, 2020 01:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Laughing Laughing Laughing
Sturgis
 
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Reply Mon 13 Apr, 2020 02:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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...remove Tr..p and those Congress members...


It would be nice. Getting Tr..p out (not reappointed) is an easier scenario to reach. Over the years, I have noticed that by and large, members of the two Houses end up getting people to vote them in for however many terms they want. Doesn't matter what evils the elected cretin may have visited upon their constituency.

As near as I can tell, schools for the most part, no longer teach civics. Due to this (and likely some other matters), the people who bother voting (percentages of those eligible who vote is painfully low), keep putting the same wastrels back in.

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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 13 Apr, 2020 03:22 pm
You can't get rid of him and people like him until you get rid of the structure that makes him president in the first place.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2020 09:37 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/donald-trump-fire-fauci-twitter-033238486.html
Since congress won't do their jobs to "fire" Trump, let's make sure we take care of business during the next election; remove Trump and those congress members who will not do their constitutional duties to this country and world.

Or let's end the cycle of retaliation against Trump for "the Apprentice" by not firing him and setting a precedent for how to turn the other cheek and keep someone whose performance you might be critical of, in order to work with them and achieve goodness by consensus instead of by removing people who disagree with you as obstructions to your agenda.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2020 11:30 am
@cicerone imposter,
Its in the works right now as he self destructs right on TV in front of our eyes!
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2020 11:32 am
@bobsal u1553115,
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Its in the works right now as he self destructs right on TV in front of our eyes!

He is destroying the MSM right before our eyes.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2020 11:43 am
@livinglava,
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Or let's end the cycle of retaliation against Trump for "the Apprentice" by not firing him and setting a precedent for how to turn the other cheek and keep someone whose performance you might be critical of, in order to work with them and achieve goodness by consensus instead of by removing people who disagree with you as obstructions to your agenda.

Or, we can make America a much better country by simply voting Trump out of office.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2020 11:44 am
@coldjoint,
https://www.dcreport.org/2020/01/14/how-trumps-psychosis-infects-his-followers/
Trump’s Madness Has Spread to Rudy Giuliani, His Rank-and-File Supporters and Much of the Republican Party
https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2020 11:57 am
@cicerone imposter,
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Trump’s Madness

Your first link is by a doctor who diagnoses a person without seeing them in a clinical setting. That makes her a quack. There is nothing even worth reading by her. She is a Yale educated hater. Your next link is more of the same garbage.
livinglava
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2020 12:04 pm
@Real Music,
Real Music wrote:

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Or let's end the cycle of retaliation against Trump for "the Apprentice" by not firing him and setting a precedent for how to turn the other cheek and keep someone whose performance you might be critical of, in order to work with them and achieve goodness by consensus instead of by removing people who disagree with you as obstructions to your agenda.

Or, we can make America a much better country by simply voting Trump out of office.

It won't happen for the simple reasons that the Democrats are incapable of self-reflection and reform. They're too negatively oriented toward Trump and the GOP to look critically at their own party's effects on government, the economy, and (global) society.

Think back to when Trump was leading the birther movement against Obama. Well, that was really rude, wasn't it? Yes, but then look at how social-welfare policies throughout the world create a situation where citizens rally against immigration because they don't want to extend their national benefits to everyone who wants to come there and take advantage of them (not that they could even if they wanted to).

So what can you say about this bitter irony that social-Democrats throughout the world support national-welfare policies that favor citizens and stimulate discrimination against non-citizens, but when Trump starts questioning citizenship and advocating border walls, etc. the same people who support national-welfare programs get angry at him?

Where is the acknowledgment that social policies at the national level create an impetus for discrimination against non-citizens? In fact, where is the acknowledgment that social policies at any level, including corporate/group insurance coverage, result in higher-prices for people who aren't covered or have worse coverage for whatever reason?
snood
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2020 06:23 pm
@livinglava,
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It won't happen for the simple reasons that the Democrats are incapable of self-reflection and reform. They're too negatively oriented toward Trump and the GOP to look critically at their own party's effects on government, the economy, and (global) society.


What do you say to the democratic turn out in 2018, or to the recent Wisconsin election when democrats come out in big numbers despite pandemic, rain and having limited polling places?

I think the democrats are highly motivated to come out in huge numbers to defeat Trump in 2020.

I guess time will tell. If I'm wrong, I'll own it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2020 07:37 pm
@coldjoint,
No. The psychiatric profession recently changed their Goldwater rule, because they felt it was more important to warn congress of Trump's "mental instability and danger to the world." They felt they had a duty to warn, based on their observations of Trump from his rhetoric and actions. https://theglobepost.com/2019/04/08/yale-psychiatrist-donald-trump/ How would you categorize anyone who demanded the execution of innocent kids found innocent by DNA test? https://www.outsidethebeltway.com/donald-trump-once-called-for-the-deaths-of-five-innocent-men/
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2020 07:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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No. The psychiatric profession recently changed their Goldwater rule,

Who cares? Real doctors do not do that. To change that for one man is total bullshit and proves they have an agenda.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2020 07:45 pm
@coldjoint,
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Who cares? Real doctors do not do that.

Name some of those "real doctors?"
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2020 07:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Name some of those "real doctors?"

Those doctors are not fame hungry assholes. They are regular doctors that see patients. I could not list all the names. You have already supplied a list of the quacks. That is the list that matters, doctors who forgot what it means to be one for 15 minutes of fame.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Wed 15 Apr, 2020 08:01 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

What do you say to the democratic turn out in 2018, or to the recent Wisconsin election when democrats come out in big numbers despite pandemic, rain and having limited polling places?

The Democrats have to reach a point where they accept the need to work with other parties and people they don't see eye to eye with. I don't know what will get them to the point of accepting that. They may need to reach a point where they have so much majoritarian power that they can go through the kind of thing the national socialists went through in Germany once they decided to just stack every deck with fascism. If that happens, it will be as horrible as it was in the 30s and 40s, because whenever power reaches the point where dissent can't fix things within government, it starts doing so outside government and that's how you end up with (world) wars. Think about it: if the Nazis had simply accepted dissent at the level of German government, wouldn't they have worked things out where there was no invasions of neighbors and counterattacks? Of course, the Nazi behavior was somewhat a response to Stalinism/Bolshevism, which was also authoritarian and dismissive of dissent, so there was just a chain-reaction of anti-dissent authoritarianism in those times, but why should any situation where dissent is ignored ever lead to anything but war? What would ever make it possible for people to completely steamroll others who dissent from them and not have that evolve into a more serious and destructive conflict?

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I think the democrats are highly motivated to come out in huge numbers to defeat Trump in 2020.

I guess time will tell. If I'm wrong, I'll own it.

You may be right, but if they don't start listening to dissenting voices and respecting them, things are just going to keep getting uglier. You don't have to agree with the dissent to know that. It is simply a fact that if two people are in a standoff and one is right but the other, who's wrong, doesn't get any respect, he will keep getting more aggressive and fighting to achieve the respect he's not getting. That is why it is always important to listen and try to understand others, no matter how much you disagree with them.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 15 Apr, 2020 08:12 am
@livinglava,
Ok, you keep blaming Democrats as if it's all one party's problem.

I will not succumb to a party who will not allow me to make my own decision on my own beliefs on abortion. I will not succumb to a party who puts profits first, people second. Clean air? Nope, not under Republican rule. Clean water or energy? Nope, same reason. Fair treatment, housing, wages or voting rights? Nonexistent on a Republican ticket.

You're asking me to compromise on the uncompromising positions.

You're right, things will get much uglier from here.

You will not dictate to me your beliefs without respecting mine.

livinglava
 
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Reply Wed 15 Apr, 2020 08:57 am
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

Ok, you keep blaming Democrats as if it's all one party's problem.

It's not. Look at how the GOP just bailed out the economy because of coronacrash. The problem is that we have an economy that would not settle down even if it was allowed to crash completely. If corporations went bankrupt, they would just turn into commodities to be bought and sold, and people would just keep taking advantage of desperation to manipulate others to cough up more money.

What's supposed to happen in a free market is that people are supposed to keep lowering their prices until demand rises to buy whatever they are selling, or if they can't justify production costs with what the market is willing to pay, they get out of the market.

Neither Democrats or Republicans are going to allow that to happen, but the problem with Democrats is that they want to tack on even more spending to stimulus bills, and they deny that all the extra money will do is cause the economy to grow that much more, which will cement the status quo that much more against change.

So the Democrats want to "spend for change" but it ends up having the opposite effect, i.e. they stimulate the anti-change economic ethos that works for the money and to protect the economic practices that make them the most money, which are the ones that need changing.

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I will not succumb to a party who will not allow me to make my own decision on my own beliefs on abortion. I will not succumb to a party who puts profits first, people second. Clean air? Nope, not under Republican rule. Clean water or energy? Nope, same reason. Fair treatment, housing, wages or voting rights? Nonexistent on a Republican ticket.

People who get paid to monitor pollution are just as interested in keeping their tax-paying businesses paying their bills as every other employee of that corporation. There is no interest in reducing the operations of industries that pay to employ people, either directly or through government.

As for abortion-choice, that is something I used to support but I had too many women arguing against it, and I finally realized that if there aren't laws against abortion, women are not protected against the social pressures that push them to abort pregnancies and/or have sex despite the risk.

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You're asking me to compromise on the uncompromising positions.

You should just see that the Democrats fundamentally undermine environmental/climate reforms in the way that they approach regulation.

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You're right, things will get much uglier from here.

You will not dictate to me your beliefs without respecting mine.

You can still retaliate against the GOP by murdering fetuses. If that's not ugly enough for you, I'm not sure what would satisfy you? Trump's head on a platter?
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On his birthday Herod gave a banquet for his high officials and military commanders and the leading men of Galilee. 22 When the daughter of[c] Herodias came in and danced, she pleased Herod and his dinner guests.

The king said to the girl, “Ask me for anything you want, and I’ll give it to you.” 23 And he promised her with an oath, “Whatever you ask I will give you, up to half my kingdom.”

24 She went out and said to her mother, “What shall I ask for?”

“The head of John the Baptist,” she answered.

25 At once the girl hurried in to the king with the request: “I want you to give me right now the head of John the Baptist on a platter.”

26 The king was greatly distressed, but because of his oaths and his dinner guests, he did not want to refuse her. 27 So he immediately sent an executioner with orders to bring John’s head. The man went, beheaded John in the prison, 28 and brought back his head on a platter. He presented it to the girl, and she gave it to her mother. 29 On hearing of this, John’s disciples came and took his body and laid it in a tomb.
Mark 6
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 15 Apr, 2020 09:02 am
@livinglava,
I see.

You won't compromise anything, for anybody, at any time. You even go as far as throwing out insults.

Yeah, Lava, preach on...

And so will I.



 

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